Hong Kong II - Ragnarök

[Bombadil]

A Chinese invasion of Taiwan will escalate into WW3.

The idea is to complete this before the 100 anniversary of Communist Party founding in China. The CCP narrative is that they, and they alone, could end the 100 years of shame of colonial rule in HK, and other places, and the Japanese takeover of Taiwan.

That anniversary is 2021, and Xi Jinping is a massive neo-Maoist ideologue. I've moved from thinking it's a possibility to an inevitability, and so I'm wondering what this means for me living in HK if, as you say, WW3 breaks out or even limited warfare in the South Pacific.

[Diahon]

A Chinese invasion of Taiwan will escalate into WW3.

The idea is to complete this before the 100 anniversary of Communist Party founding in China. The CCP narrative is that they, and they alone, could end the 100 years of shame of colonial rule in HK, and other places, and the Japanese takeover of Taiwan.

That anniversary is 2021, and Xi Jinping is a massive neo-Maoist ideologue. I've moved from thinking it's a possibility to an inevitability, and so I'm wondering what this means for me living in HK if, as you say, WW3 breaks out or even limited warfare in the South Pacific.

Flee, man.

Do you think preparations for an invasion will at least be slowed down depending on what happens next month in the US? Or will Taiwan be razed to the ground nonetheless?

[Bombadil]

The idea is to complete this before the 100 anniversary of Communist Party founding in China. The CCP narrative is that they, and they alone, could end the 100 years of shame of colonial rule in HK, and other places, and the Japanese takeover of Taiwan.

That anniversary is 2021, and Xi Jinping is a massive neo-Maoist ideologue. I've moved from thinking it's a possibility to an inevitability, and so I'm wondering what this means for me living in HK if, as you say, WW3 breaks out or even limited warfare in the South Pacific.

Flee, man.

Do you think preparations for an invasion will at least be slowed down depending on what happens next month in the US? Or will Taiwan be razed to the ground nonetheless?

I feel it could certainly be timed for the transition. I don't think they'll raze Taiwan exactly, a senior Chinese think tank noted that HK is essentially a test bed for how they will run Taiwan. Patriotic Education, a strong Security Law that bans dissent and infiltration and takeover of government institutions.

In their own minds at least, they want to act as liberators and just crush any narrative to the counter.

[The Marlborough]

I'm getting to the point that I really need to plan my exit strategy if it all goes down this year..

Beijing is stepping up the militarisation of its southeast coast as it prepares for a possible invasion of Taiwan, military observers and sources have said.

The People’s Liberation Army has been upgrading its missile bases, and one Beijing-based military source said it has deployed its most advanced hypersonic missile the DF-17 to the area.

“The DF-17 hypersonic missile will gradually replace the old DF-11s and DF-15s that were deployed in the southeast region for decades,” the source, who requested anonymity, because of the sensitivity of the topic. “The new missile has a longer range and is able to hit targets more accurately.”

“Every rocket force brigade in Fujian and Guangdong is now fully equipped,” he said.

“The size of some of the missile bases in the Eastern and Southern theatre commands have even doubled in recent years, showing the PLA is stepping up preparations for a war targeting Taiwan.”

On Monday, retired major general Wang Zaixi, who once led the mainland’s semi-governmental organisation for managing ties with Taiwan, described the recent exercises as “unprecedented”.

“Until today, the possibility of peaceful reunification was slim,” he told Chinese news site Guancha.cn. “The live-fire military exercises showed it is just one step away to actual combat.”

A Chinese invasion of Taiwan will escalate into WW3.

Most of the world would sit and do nothing.

[Bombadil]

A Chinese invasion of Taiwan will escalate into WW3.

Most of the world would sit and do nothing.

Most, possibly, however I think there would be a concerted response. Taiwan is not just an ethical consideration, it's also a huge forward base for China that threatens Japan, Korea and the Philippines. It provides China with enormous power in the South China Sea.

Not saying China has any intention at all to invade those places but just look at the 9-dash line to see their views on what they own, and then add in Taiwan.

[The Marlborough]

Most of the world would sit and do nothing.

Most, possibly, however I think there would be a concerted response. Taiwan is not just an ethical consideration, it's also a huge forward base for China that threatens Japan, Korea and the Philippines. It provides China with enormous power in the South China Sea.

Not saying China has any intention at all to invade those places but just look at the 9-dash line to see their views on what they own, and then add in Taiwan.

Oh I know but to be honest we would probably see different reactions. Japan and Vietnam are the ones that would solidify their anti-PRC stance but the Philippines, especially under Duterte would probably just accept the new reality (he's hinted at this before iirc). SK would be the toss up but even then none of these countries would be able to do anything, especially without US assistance. I do not think the US would get involved, especially now. We can also count out the Europeans from doing anything other than some quips on Twitter accounts and PR meetings.

[Diahon]

Flee, man.

Do you think preparations for an invasion will at least be slowed down depending on what happens next month in the US? Or will Taiwan be razed to the ground nonetheless?

I feel it could certainly be timed for the transition. I don't think they'll raze Taiwan exactly, a senior Chinese think tank noted that HK is essentially a test bed for how they will run Taiwan. Patriotic Education, a strong Security Law that bans dissent and infiltration and takeover of government institutions.

In their own minds at least, they want to act as liberators and just crush any narrative to the counter.

Given the rhetoric coming down through my grapevine (from PLA soldiers seemingly all too eager to put every Taiwanese they encounter to the nearest wall and shot), I doubt they would care about being perceived as liberators.

[Diahon]

Most, possibly, however I think there would be a concerted response. Taiwan is not just an ethical consideration, it's also a huge forward base for China that threatens Japan, Korea and the Philippines. It provides China with enormous power in the South China Sea.

Not saying China has any intention at all to invade those places but just look at the 9-dash line to see their views on what they own, and then add in Taiwan.

Oh I know but to be honest we would probably see different reactions. Japan and Vietnam are the ones that would solidify their anti-PRC stance but the Philippines, especially under Duterte would probably just accept the new reality (he's hinted at this before iirc). SK would be the toss up but even then none of these countries would be able to do anything, especially without US assistance. I do not think the US would get involved, especially now. We can also count out the Europeans from doing anything other than some quips on Twitter accounts and PR meetings.

Duts may simp hard to authoritarians, and so do enough Pinoys, but most Pinoys still see the United States (and Trump, holy shit) as a force for good. There won't be a glum acceptance of any new reality, there'll be genocide.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Most of the world would sit and do nothing.

Most, possibly, however I think there would be a concerted response. Taiwan is not just an ethical consideration, it's also a huge forward base for China that threatens Japan, Korea and the Philippines. It provides China with enormous power in the South China Sea.

Not saying China has any intention at all to invade those places but just look at the 9-dash line to see their views on what they own, and then add in Taiwan.

Plus, it's going to be a blow to successfully securing the First Island Chain.

[Sungoldy-China]

As long as China is not a democratic government, the fate of Taiwan and Hong Kong will not be too bad.

According to public opinion in China. If it were a democratic government, China will launches foreign wars as easily as the United States.

I just see a news about running a school in a poor area in western China，Chinese's comments are :

"It doesn't make sense to be cruel...just like Americans need illegal immigration from Mexico, China need these uneducated poor"

"But, if education changes their destiny, the cheap labor in China's manufacturing industry will be less and less, and in the end, China will follow the footsteps of the United States, and the manufacturing industry will go somewhere in Vietnam."

"The poor should serve as soldiers, burn, kill and loot in foreign countries instead of studying"

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Good thing that the actual powers to declare war doesn't rest with the American presidency but with the Congress and Congress promised Peking war if they as much as crossed the Kinmen Strait.

[Bombadil]

As long as China is not a democratic government, the fate of Taiwan and Hong Kong will not be too bad.

According to public opinion in China. If it were a democratic government, China will launches foreign wars as easily as the United States.

I just see a news about running a school in a poor area in western China，Chinese's comments are :

"It doesn't make sense to be cruel...just like Americans need illegal immigration from Mexico, China need these uneducated poor"

"But, if education changes their destiny, the cheap labor in China's manufacturing industry will be less and less, and in the end, China will follow the footsteps of the United States, and the manufacturing industry will go somewhere in Vietnam."

"The poor should serve as soldiers, burn, kill and loot in foreign countries instead of studying"

It is de facto bad for HK and Taiwan to have any choice in their future removed from them for no other reason than 'historical claims'. What right does a country have to arbitrarily decide a people at complete odds with their ideology should be forced into their control, to have rights and freedoms removed, for a line drawn in sand at some point?

[Violent Mike]

I'm getting to the point that I really need to plan my exit strategy if it all goes down this year..

You're saying YOU HAVEN'T?

[The New California Republic]

I'm getting to the point that I really need to plan my exit strategy if it all goes down this year..

You're saying YOU HAVEN'T?

Hopefully he is one of the folk that has a right to a UK passport, as that'll expedite the process.

[Woldoina]

FREEDOM TO HONG KONG

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

As long as China is not a democratic government, the fate of Taiwan and Hong Kong will not be too bad.

According to public opinion in China. If it were a democratic government, China will launches foreign wars as easily as the United States.

I just see a news about running a school in a poor area in western China，Chinese's comments are :

"It doesn't make sense to be cruel...just like Americans need illegal immigration from Mexico, China need these uneducated poor"

"But, if education changes their destiny, the cheap labor in China's manufacturing industry will be less and less, and in the end, China will follow the footsteps of the United States, and the manufacturing industry will go somewhere in Vietnam."

"The poor should serve as soldiers, burn, kill and loot in foreign countries instead of studying"

Actually, China is doing precisely as said in the second statement. They're moving production slowly towards Africa. As for the third statement, honestly wtf, that sounds so classist lol.

[Rusozak]

As long as China is not a democratic government, the fate of Taiwan and Hong Kong will not be too bad.

According to public opinion in China. If it were a democratic government, China will launches foreign wars as easily as the United States.

I just see a news about running a school in a poor area in western China，Chinese's comments are :

"It doesn't make sense to be cruel...just like Americans need illegal immigration from Mexico, China need these uneducated poor"

"But, if education changes their destiny, the cheap labor in China's manufacturing industry will be less and less, and in the end, China will follow the footsteps of the United States, and the manufacturing industry will go somewhere in Vietnam."

"The poor should serve as soldiers, burn, kill and loot in foreign countries instead of studying"

"Let's use the poor as meat slaves." The supposed legacy of Mao and the society the Chinese COMMUNIST Party has created, ladies and gentlemen.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The sooner people realises that PRC has become the ideal capitalist-imperialist reich the better.

[Rusozak]

The sooner people realises that PRC has become the ideal capitalist-imperialist reich the better.

I feel bad for the kool-Aid drinkers that still unironically believe the CCP is still committed to realizing a communist paradise. The PRC is more like the exploitive capitalist-imperialist hellholes that were around in Marx's time than the modern admittingly capitalist nations.

[Picairn]

The sooner people realises that PRC has become the ideal capitalist-imperialist reich the better.

Mao died in disappointment at how Deng reversed all of his communist policies.

[Bombadil]

The sooner people realises that PRC has become the ideal capitalist-imperialist reich the better.

Mao died in disappointment at how Deng reversed all of his communist policies.

Pedantically he didn't as it took a couple of years for Deng to gain power after Mao's death, but he can rest easy because Xi Jinping is bringing it all back.

They're closing the HK Museum for 'renovation', though everyone knows it's so they can rewrite history.

It was its last day before the permanent exhibition “Hong Kong Story” closed for an extensive two-year revamp. There have been fears that the new displays may censor or exclude politically sensitive events such as the city’s colonial history and its relationship with China. United Social Press photojournalists were present to capture the last day of the 19-year-old exhibition.

..for evidence.

[Sungoldy-China]

As long as China is not a democratic government, the fate of Taiwan and Hong Kong will not be too bad.

According to public opinion in China. If it were a democratic government, China will launches foreign wars as easily as the United States.

I just see a news about running a school in a poor area in western China，Chinese's comments are :

"It doesn't make sense to be cruel...just like Americans need illegal immigration from Mexico, China need these uneducated poor"

"But, if education changes their destiny, the cheap labor in China's manufacturing industry will be less and less, and in the end, China will follow the footsteps of the United States, and the manufacturing industry will go somewhere in Vietnam."

"The poor should serve as soldiers, burn, kill and loot in foreign countries instead of studying"

Actually, China is doing precisely as said in the second statement. They're moving production slowly towards Africa. As for the third statement, honestly wtf, that sounds so classist lol.

Look at how the U.S. Army recruits soldiers, you will know the third statement is just on the way of learning USA.
If China become democratic government, it will soom become a degraded version of the United States

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Actually, China is doing precisely as said in the second statement. They're moving production slowly towards Africa. As for the third statement, honestly wtf, that sounds so classist lol.

Look at how the U.S. Army recruits soldiers, you will know the third statement is just on the way of learning USA.
If China become democratic government, it will soom become a degraded version of the United States

That's a slippery slope you got there with no evidence to back up. How about the democratic governments in Europe that refused to participate in the Middle Eastern wars? What of them?

[The New California Republic]

Look at how the U.S. Army recruits soldiers, you will know the third statement is just on the way of learning USA.
If China become democratic government, it will soom become a degraded version of the United States

"Democracy bad because USA" in other words. Lol. What a ridiculous thing to say.

[Sungoldy-China]

Look at how the U.S. Army recruits soldiers, you will know the third statement is just on the way of learning USA.
If China become democratic government, it will soom become a degraded version of the United States

That's a slippery slope you got there with no evidence to back up. How about the democratic governments in Europe that refused to participate in the Middle Eastern wars? What of them?

Come on , you should know , America has castrated Europe ，European countries simply cannot declare war on their own ，The entire European army is under the control of NATO.
France, a somewhat independent country, was the initiator of the Libyan war，These Europe governments are not refused to participate in the wars , they just cannot .

Just learn the history , you will find out howThe United States and the Soviet Union work together to turning Europe into sheep step by step.

look at Suez Crisis , A war between Britain, France and Israel against the United States, the Soviet Union and Egypt