Hong Kong II - Ragnarök

[Phoenicaea]

yes, much dark sight. it is not for hong kong alone, it gives a possible essay of the path for the continent. i doubt whether they can still write and speech.

with such a wheeler-dealer america and european confederacy, which it is nowadays rather than a proper institutional union, liberties will retreat.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Hong Kong is done. Not sure what youre supposed to do now but the battle is lost.

Nah.. as I've said throughout, no one said this was a short game. What we need is a smart US administration and a strong and unified EU to... ahh bollocks..

Truth is HK is and always will be part of China, what we need is for China to change and that's going to require toppling an increasingly authoritarian Xi Jinping.. who's started regulating how much food you can eat.

Under an article on Wuhan’s N-1 dining initiative by the official People’s Daily, internet users on Weibo left sceptical and in some cases angry comments. “Can you first limit the dining of officials? Don’t always take away from the people,” one said, referring to formal banquets and lavish meals held by officials.

One user, alluding to the economic difficulties many in the country are facing, said: “This seems aimed at us bottom class, but we are already thrifty. This will mean nothing to the rich.” Another said: “I especially hate this kind of political action that leans on ordinary people to act.”

Another wrote: “This level of control. Even the number of dishes people order has to be regulated?”

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Let's just bring back rationing while we're at it. Working on Sundays is strictly voluntary, but those who refuse will have their rations cut in half. [Animal Farm reference]

[Sungoldy-China]

This is a new law is a great win for Hong Kong Capitalist ,HK is the
Hong Kong is the best manifestation of capitalism. The entire Hong Kong is controlled by four families and four companies

the Qriginal law is an extradition law, so China can take those corrupt CCP offcial who hidden in HK back to China ,

Many corrupt officials of the Chinese Communist Party have used Hong Kong to money laundering and escape,

An extradition law will be a greate help but the HK Capitalist scared of the law , many of them are profit from China's corruption.

The Chinese government has initially given in only to extradite those convicted by the Hong Kong court， but Hong Kong Capitalist still funding the protest and let CCP know ,if CCP want to control HK, CCP need the help from big company and big capitalist.

so CCP turn the extradition law to Security Law, now the bing bank of HK suddenly no objection to the safety law, The four families that rule Hong Kong also show support to the Security Law , why they did not support a more gentle extradition law ? beacuse the Security Law show CCP have shifted focus from economy to security , for security and stability， CCP have to work with these big families and endure their plundering of wealth.


Those protesters on the street? They just run out of tools

[Bombadil]

This is a new law is a great win for Hong Kong Capitalist ,HK is the
Hong Kong is the best manifestation of capitalism. The entire Hong Kong is controlled by four families and four companies

the Qriginal law is an extradition law, so China can take those corrupt CCP offcial who hidden in HK back to China ,

Many corrupt officials of the Chinese Communist Party have used Hong Kong to money laundering and escape,

An extradition law will be a greate help but the HK Capitalist scared of the law , many of them are profit from China's corruption.

The Chinese government has initially given in only to extradite those convicted by the Hong Kong court， but Hong Kong Capitalist still funding the protest and let CCP know ,if CCP want to control HK, CCP need the help from big company and big capitalist.

so CCP turn the extradition law to Security Law, now the bing bank of HK suddenly no objection to the safety law, The four families that rule Hong Kong also show support to the Security Law , why they did not support a more gentle extradition law ? beacuse the Security Law show CCP have shifted focus from economy to security , for security and stability， CCP have to work with these big families and endure their plundering of wealth.


Those protesters on the street? They just run out of tools

The extradition law was conceived by Xi Jinping to legitimise the extraction of booksellers and personal enemies from HK, it had nothing to do with anything else other than protecting himself. When that backfired the Security Law is aimed at stifling all and any dissent because to criticise the CCP is to criticise Xi Jinping. This is all about his own personal self-image set off by a scurrilous book about his families' wealth and alleged affairs. His daughter went to Harvard, his brothers and sisters own huge amounts of property. His entire anti-corruption campaign is nothing more than a means to silence enemies.

Meanwhile, the US has just cancelled further agreements including fugitive agreements and tax exemption agreements.

“Some of the actions may be hard to undo,” Mr. Yang said. “We see two juggernauts getting more antagonistic toward each other.”

Trump's a nutbag but at least he has term limits even given not being democratically voted out come November. Xi Jinping abolished term limits setting himself up as a neo-Maoist dictator for life. He's a menace to China and the world and needs to go.

Hopefully his position is more precarious than we know..

For years, Cai Xia, a former professor at China’s elite Central Party School, has watched the ruling Communist party decay from the inside. Now she is out.

On Monday she was expelled from the party, two months after an audio recording of her describing the country’s leader, Xi Jinping, as a “mafia boss” was leaked online.

Q: You said in your remarks that many people in the party “know what is going on in their hearts” and that there must be reform. How common is this view?

A: I think within the CCP 70%, and among middle- and high-level officials the proportion may be even higher. For many of these cadres, their thinking was most deeply affected by the reform era under Deng Xiaoping. When China joined the World Trade Organization [in 2001], we fully entered the global economy.

Those within the party have experienced the last 20, 30 years and they understand in which direction is right and which is a dead end. We are among a group of cadres who took up our positions after reform and opening. So that is why I say everyone is very clear about what is happening.

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[The New California Republic]

Hong Kong is turning into East Germany, their version of the Stasi watches for dissent, they have sham elections, and now they are stopping people from leaving who want to leave:

Chinese authorities have arrested at least 10 people after intercepting a boat believed to be heading to Taiwan from Hong Kong, local reports say.

Hong Kong media reports said those on board the vessel were trying to reach Taiwan to claim political asylum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53934159

[Borderlands of Rojava]

How's it going against the CCP?

[The New California Republic]

How's it going against the CCP?

The CCP wants Hong Kong to have an East Berlin vibe clearly.

[Bombadil]

How's it going against the CCP?

Not great, a guy was arrested for videoing triads attacking people in Yuen Long on the charge of inflaming the situation by live-streaming the video.. meanwhile journalists are being refused visas for no reason whatsoever.

Of course this is beyond delaying elections to next year if not indefinitely, oh and allowing air and shipping cargo people to just wander around town leading to a rise in infections and then punishing us for their mistake.

Seems we're on a second wave of crackdowns.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

To those who want to compare the BLM riots in America with the pro-democracy protests that rocked Hong Kong last year whether in support of both or opposition to both, I'll just leave this here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Hong_Kong_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-3_incident

Leftist, CCP-backed communist riots were responsible for the CCP's de facto takeover of Macau in 1966-7. Portugal all but capitulated to the CCP's demands. Democracy died in Macau much earlier than it did in Hong Kong. Similar, CCP-backed leftist riots and terror attacks in Hong Kong were thankfully crushed by the British colonial government and rightly so. Had this not happened, HK would not have retained its freedoms and autonomy for as long as it did. These riots were anti-democratic in nature. The HK pro-democracy protests are liberal and pro-democratic in nature.

Similar, stealth communist riots inciting racial hatred, resentment, and paranoia under the guise of Black Lives Matter are currently taking place in the United States and should be condemned while peaceful BLM protesters (who vastly outnumber the rioters) should be left to their own devices, free to exercise their First Amendment right to hate speech. It's all about greed, envy, money, and power disguised as "anti-racism" and "social justice" to these rioters. That's what communism ultimately stands for and that's the common thread linking the CCP, leftist rioters in Hong Kong and Macau, and BLM rioters in the United States. BLM simply adds a racial element to the mix. The leftist riots in HK and Macau were also ostensibly "anti-racist" and "anti-imperialist" in nature.

Urgent police and criminal justice reform are required in both HK and the United States. In Hong Kong's case, the HKPF should be completely disbanded and the PLA garrison expelled from the city, paving the way for full independence for Hong Kong. Police brutality toward peaceful protesters in both countries should be universally condemned and the officers responsible held accountable for their actions, which they often are in America. Not one cop has been prosecuted for acts of violence toward protesters in Hong Kong. Not a single one. America also practices the rule of law and does not have a tyrannical, national security law imposed on its citizens from above by a foreign dictatorship that even overrides the Constitution, the highest law of the land, curtailing basic civil and political freedoms.

There are also those on the pro-BLM side who have compared Kyle Rittenhouse and other armed citizens peacefully guarding a gas station and offering medical aid to protesters and rioters alike in Kenosha to the Triad thugs that terrorized commuters in Yuen Long returning from a protest, savagely and indiscriminately beating people with weapons without any kind of provocation whatsoever and obviously paid and padded by the CCP and DAB. In Kenosha, Rittenhouse was chased and attacked by BLM thugs prior to opening fire on his assailants. These were volunteers who drove to Kenosha to help rebuild the city at their own expense. No one paid them to stir up trouble and escalate the situation. It was the BLM rioters who chased and attacked Rittenhouse, not the other way around. The BLM thugs and the Yuen Long thugs are the aggressors in both instances.

[Bombadil]

So after some 8 months dilly-dallying over testing the Mainland brought in a team to organise mass testing as the HK government is too afraid to do anything given government initiatives tend to be the only means by which the people can show their dissatisfaction. For example they gave out free masks that no one wears and now the testing.

So far less than 500K have bothered to sign up and the Mainland is very angry.

The State Council’s Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office and Beijing’s liaison office issued separate statements to hit out at critics who questioned mainland authorities’ help in the fight against the pandemic, calling them “evil” for “disregarding Hongkongers’ health and well-being”.

Yes yes, we're all evil. Actually the only reason we had another outbreak is because the government let transport workers for shipping and airlines to walk around the city.

Fun timing as well, pretty much on the anniversary of Prince Edward, where police ran riot beating anyone they could find at the MTR station.

People placed flowers to mark the anniversary and the police removed them.

No wonder they delay the elections, they seem to just want to ignore the fact that the HK and mainland government are deeply unpopular. It's akin to the parallel universes of the recent conventions in the US.

[Heloin]

So after some 8 months dilly-dallying over testing the Mainland brought in a team to organise mass testing as the HK government is too afraid to do anything given government initiatives tend to be the only means by which the people can show their dissatisfaction. For example they gave out free masks that no one wears and now the testing.

So far less than 500K have bothered to sign up and the Mainland is very angry.

The State Council’s Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office and Beijing’s liaison office issued separate statements to hit out at critics who questioned mainland authorities’ help in the fight against the pandemic, calling them “evil” for “disregarding Hongkongers’ health and well-being”.

Yes yes, we're all evil. Actually the only reason we had another outbreak is because the government let transport workers for shipping and airlines to walk around the city.

Fun timing as well, pretty much on the anniversary of Prince Edward, where police ran riot beating anyone they could find at the MTR station.

People placed flowers to mark the anniversary and the police removed them.

No wonder they delay the elections, they seem to just want to ignore the fact that the HK and mainland government are deeply unpopular. It's akin to the parallel universes of the recent conventions in the US.

Can't be an unpopular government if you refuse to let people prove you otherwise.

[Kowani]

So after some 8 months dilly-dallying over testing the Mainland brought in a team to organise mass testing as the HK government is too afraid to do anything given government initiatives tend to be the only means by which the people can show their dissatisfaction. For example they gave out free masks that no one wears and now the testing.

So far less than 500K have bothered to sign up and the Mainland is very angry.

The State Council’s Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office and Beijing’s liaison office issued separate statements to hit out at critics who questioned mainland authorities’ help in the fight against the pandemic, calling them “evil” for “disregarding Hongkongers’ health and well-being”.

Yes yes, we're all evil. Actually the only reason we had another outbreak is because the government let transport workers for shipping and airlines to walk around the city.

Fun timing as well, pretty much on the anniversary of Prince Edward, where police ran riot beating anyone they could find at the MTR station.

People placed flowers to mark the anniversary and the police removed them.

No wonder they delay the elections, they seem to just want to ignore the fact that the HK and mainland government are deeply unpopular. It's akin to the parallel universes of the recent conventions in the US.

Can't be an unpopular government if you refuse to let people prove you otherwise.

Can’t lose the election if only your candidates can run.

[Bombadil]

So after some 8 months dilly-dallying over testing the Mainland brought in a team to organise mass testing as the HK government is too afraid to do anything given government initiatives tend to be the only means by which the people can show their dissatisfaction. For example they gave out free masks that no one wears and now the testing.

So far less than 500K have bothered to sign up and the Mainland is very angry.

The State Council’s Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office and Beijing’s liaison office issued separate statements to hit out at critics who questioned mainland authorities’ help in the fight against the pandemic, calling them “evil” for “disregarding Hongkongers’ health and well-being”.

Yes yes, we're all evil. Actually the only reason we had another outbreak is because the government let transport workers for shipping and airlines to walk around the city.

Fun timing as well, pretty much on the anniversary of Prince Edward, where police ran riot beating anyone they could find at the MTR station.

People placed flowers to mark the anniversary and the police removed them.

No wonder they delay the elections, they seem to just want to ignore the fact that the HK and mainland government are deeply unpopular. It's akin to the parallel universes of the recent conventions in the US.

Can't be an unpopular government if you refuse to let people prove you otherwise.

At the moment, given polling on 20th August, 55% are highly dissatisfied with the government with a further 12% quite dissatisfied. On the positive side, 9% are highly satisfied and another 12 are quite satisfied, so 20% satisfied and 65% dissatisfied and the rest couldn't really give a shit.

[Heloin]

Can't be an unpopular government if you refuse to let people prove you otherwise.

At the moment, given polling on 20th August, 55% are highly dissatisfied with the government with a further 12% quite dissatisfied. On the positive side, 9% are highly satisfied and another 12 are quite satisfied, so 20% satisfied and 65% dissatisfied and the rest couldn't really give a shit.

I'm shocked that 20% are satisfied.

[Bombadil]

At the moment, given polling on 20th August, 55% are highly dissatisfied with the government with a further 12% quite dissatisfied. On the positive side, 9% are highly satisfied and another 12 are quite satisfied, so 20% satisfied and 65% dissatisfied and the rest couldn't really give a shit.

I'm shocked that 20% are satisfied.

I'm not, in fact I'm a little surprised it's so low, I'd have thought more 30%, the previous elections broke down 60/40 and a fair few older people were happy with the Security Law given it restored 'order' to a degree. Still, for only 20% of a population to be satisfied with a government is remarkable really.

Like the pandemic was an opportunity to rebuild trust but their inept approach has scuppered that.

[Heloin]

I'm shocked that 20% are satisfied.

I'm not, in fact I'm a little surprised it's so low, I'd have thought more 30%, the previous elections broke down 60/40 and a fair few older people were happy with the Security Law given it restored 'order' to a degree. Still, for only 20% of a population to be satisfied with a government is remarkable really.

Like the pandemic was an opportunity to rebuild trust but their inept approach has scuppered that.

Don't get me wrong if you had told me 20% satisfaction just six months ago I'd be in agreement that it's shockingly low. Just the last few months the Hong Kong government has only shown that at best they're ineffectual and at worst grossly incompetent.

[Bombadil]

China's getting its knickers in another twist as a Czech opposition party leader visits Taiwan..

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Monday that China would make Vystrcil “pay a high price for his short-sighted behaviour and political speculation” on his ministry’s website, calling the journey a “provocation”.

What kind of high price?

Vystrcil is following in the footsteps of his predecessor Jaroslav Kubera, who died of a heart attack in January while planning the trip to Taiwan.

After Kubera’s death, Czech media published a letter stamped by the Chinese embassy in Prague, in which China threatened both Kubera and Czech companies intending to accompany him on the trip.

The Czech government responded..

“I expect the Chinese side to explain those words,” Czech Foreign Minister Tomas Petricek told journalists in Prague.

“Of course the journey has an impact on our relationships with China, but I think this has gone too far.”

Like I've said before, the only hope for HK, and China really, is for this to escalate and China receive a bloody nose over Taiwan leading to the removal of Xi Jinping to be replaced by someone more progressive. I posted an interview previously whereby a high level official thrown out of the CCP for calling Xi Jinping a danger to China who notes that a lot of the party are reared in the late 90's and early 00's and are acutely aware of the dangerous direction Xi Jinping is taking the party and country, the justification to remove him is required.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

12 year old girl attacked by "police"



I can't even...

[Chan Island]

12 year old girl attacked by "police"



I can't even...

Dreadful. Completely absurd. Hopefully she's alright.

[Novus America]

12 year old girl attacked by "police"



I can't even...

Unfortunately this will only get worse. Back when the Hong Kong police were trained by the British to British standards (I will acknowledge British Police are actually quite good relative to most places) they had a good reputation. But now the are trained by the PRC to be as brutal as the other PRC police, and with the same lack of regard for human life the PRC government has, this is only going to get worse. Hong Kong autonomy is gone, it is nothing more now than another PRC special economic zone.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

12 year old girl attacked by "police"



I can't even...

Dreadful. Completely absurd. Hopefully she's alright.

https://hk.appledaily.com/us/20200906/Y ... ZDYZXJSRQ/

In the evening, a 12-year-old girl suffered minor injuries after she was tackled to the floor by police officers.

The girl was shopping with her 20-year-old brother and turned around quickly after seeing a huge crowd. Footage shows officers accosting the two and pushing the girl to the ground, after which three officers kneeled on her to hold her down.

The siblings were later fined HK$2,000 (US$258) each for having violated social distancing rules. In a statement released on Facebook, police claimed the girl appeared suspicious and officers used minimum force to arrest her.

No apology. No compensation. Just additional charges of "violating social distancing rules" slapped on top of the wanton violence she was subjected to. WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK. I just want to scream right now.

A bus driver wearing a respirator was arrested for reportedly honking the car’s horn at officers. Police claimed the driver drove too close to officers and arrested him for dangerous driving.

Honking a car horn at officers is "dangerous driving" now.

Police also fired pepper balls at protesters in Mong Kok and unfurled the purple flag, warning people who chanted the popular protest slogan “Liberate Hong Kong, Revolution of Our Times” of violating the national security law.

LIBERATE HONG KONG. REVOLUTION OF OUR TIMES. HONG KONG INDEPENDENCE NOW!

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

To those who want to compare the BLM riots in America with the pro-democracy protests that rocked Hong Kong last year whether in support of both or opposition to both, I'll just leave this here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Hong_Kong_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-3_incident

Leftist, CCP-backed communist riots were responsible for the CCP's de facto takeover of Macau in 1966-7. Portugal all but capitulated to the CCP's demands. Democracy died in Macau much earlier than it did in Hong Kong. Similar, CCP-backed leftist riots and terror attacks in Hong Kong were thankfully crushed by the British colonial government and rightly so. Had this not happened, HK would not have retained its freedoms and autonomy for as long as it did. These riots were anti-democratic in nature. The HK pro-democracy protests are liberal and pro-democratic in nature.

Similar, stealth communist riots inciting racial hatred, resentment, and paranoia under the guise of Black Lives Matter are currently taking place in the United States and should be condemned while peaceful BLM protesters (who vastly outnumber the rioters) should be left to their own devices, free to exercise their First Amendment right to hate speech. It's all about greed, envy, money, and power disguised as "anti-racism" and "social justice" to these rioters. That's what communism ultimately stands for and that's the common thread linking the CCP, leftist rioters in Hong Kong and Macau, and BLM rioters in the United States. BLM simply adds a racial element to the mix. The leftist riots in HK and Macau were also ostensibly "anti-racist" and "anti-imperialist" in nature.

Urgent police and criminal justice reform are required in both HK and the United States. In Hong Kong's case, the HKPF should be completely disbanded and the PLA garrison expelled from the city, paving the way for full independence for Hong Kong. Police brutality toward peaceful protesters in both countries should be universally condemned and the officers responsible held accountable for their actions, which they often are in America. Not one cop has been prosecuted for acts of violence toward protesters in Hong Kong. Not a single one. America also practices the rule of law and does not have a tyrannical, national security law imposed on its citizens from above by a foreign dictatorship that even overrides the Constitution, the highest law of the land, curtailing basic civil and political freedoms.

There are also those on the pro-BLM side who have compared Kyle Rittenhouse and other armed citizens peacefully guarding a gas station and offering medical aid to protesters and rioters alike in Kenosha to the Triad thugs that terrorized commuters in Yuen Long returning from a protest, savagely and indiscriminately beating people with weapons without any kind of provocation whatsoever and obviously paid and padded by the CCP and DAB. In Kenosha, Rittenhouse was chased and attacked by BLM thugs prior to opening fire on his assailants. These were volunteers who drove to Kenosha to help rebuild the city at their own expense. No one paid them to stir up trouble and escalate the situation. It was the BLM rioters who chased and attacked Rittenhouse, not the other way around. The BLM thugs and the Yuen Long thugs are the aggressors in both instances.

See the issue here is that there still remain many similarities. BLM is rather anti-police establishment, sick of how the government is being run. The protests in HK are basically the same thing. The only thing that is different is the root cause of why they are protesting. But it's still an all too familiar happening.

Incident happens, which causes massive uproar against the establishment. Protests are originally peaceful, but turn bad after police continue to escalate the situation. Executive branch comes out in support of the police, even encourages escalation of handling against protestors at some points. Many lawmakers begin to call for systematic change. The lawmakers are basically divided into two parties, those who support the protests and those who don't. Voter suppression and fraud is initiated by Executive, etc.

There are many differences and similarities.

Also, I'd like to point out that the Yuen Long thugs indiscriminately beat up people, while the police in major US cities also decided to escalate violence towards the protestors, bystanders and rioters alike.

Anyways, I agree with your distinction between the protestors and the rioters/looters, that's one thing Republicans cannot seem to grasp.

12 year old girl attacked by "police"



I can't even...

Just plain disgusting.

[Kowani]

Police conduct Mass Arrest of 300 People

[Novus America]

At least this one Czech politician has some spine.
Although he is now a wanted criminal in Hong Kong I suppose.
“That was THE LAST TIME that you open your trap about the Czech Republic!” he wrote. “Now listen to me good, you Comrade Minister: The PRC will immediately apologize for the shameless threat. When I say right away I mean ASAP!

“You will not fuck with us like that!” he added. “With much feigned regards.” https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/04/cz ... nt-threat/

There is no point in good faith discussion with the PRC.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

At least this one Czech politician has some spine.
Although he is now a wanted criminal in Hong Kong I suppose.
“That was THE LAST TIME that you open your trap about the Czech Republic!” he wrote. “Now listen to me good, you Comrade Minister: The PRC will immediately apologize for the shameless threat. When I say right away I mean ASAP!

“You will not fuck with us like that!” he added. “With much feigned regards.” https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/04/cz ... nt-threat/

There is no point in good faith discussion with the PRC.

To Czechia with love