Stellar Colonies wrote:I've actually considered visiting Hong Kong over the last few years (one of my parents visited with her parents as a child), but there's no way in hell I'm going any closer to the PRC than Japan until it dissolves.
Also, delaying elections for a year?! Surely they are aware that mail-in voting is a thing, right? That's such a flimsy excuse.
The Chinese authorities are full of shit, but there's no reason to be so ideological about a simple visit. If you are just visiting as a tourist -- not going there to protest or proselytize -- China was safe to visit before the coronavirus hit, and it'll probably be safe again when the pandemic blows over. It is not North Korea. You don't have to agree with a government to visit the country.
Right at this moment in Hong Kong might not be the best time and place to visit, but that is no reason to avoid the whole country on a long-term basis.
And would you seriously have a problem visiting South Korea just because of crap that's going on in China? (It is closer than Japan.)
Well, maybe South Korea. Not the PRC itself though.
Not that I'm likely to travel to other continents that much anyway, given how much time and money it costs.
The Sherpa Empire wrote: The Chinese authorities are full of shit, but there's no reason to be so ideological about a simple visit. If you are just visiting as a tourist -- not going there to protest or proselytize -- China was safe to visit before the coronavirus hit, and it'll probably be safe again when the pandemic blows over. It is not North Korea. You don't have to agree with a government to visit the country.
Right at this moment in Hong Kong might not be the best time and place to visit, but that is no reason to avoid the whole country on a long-term basis.
And would you seriously have a problem visiting South Korea just because of crap that's going on in China? (It is closer than Japan.)
Well, maybe South Korea. Not the PRC itself though.
Not that I'm likely to travel to other continents that much anyway, given how much time and money it costs.
Stellar Colonies wrote:Well, maybe South Korea. Not the PRC itself though.
Not that I'm likely to travel to other continents that much anyway, given how much time and money it costs.
As for the ROC/Taiwan (delete as appropriate)?
Actually barring an outright PRC invasion they are probably one of the safest places as they are most aware of how dangerous the PRC is. I would gladly visit there, as long as I can get a flight that doesn’t not go through the PRC or Hong Kong.
Ethel mermania wrote:They can not enforce it on you, till you fly into Hong Kong, or any other nation China has by the balls based on trade policy.
Hence why anyone who has ever said anything regarding China or Hong Kong in a public forum should probably avoid travel there or to third-party countries that are really friendly with China, due to the possibility that the third-party country might extradite you to China.
>thinks I’m safe >remembers that I’m in a country friendly to China and subpoenas people who attack the government online >extreme_concern.jpg
Despite this, there is very strong anti-PRC sentiment in where I reside, so it’s unlikely the leadership’s willing to hand over a few million or so to the PRC.
-Astoria- wrote:As for the ROC/Taiwan (delete as appropriate)?
Actually barring an outright PRC invasion they are probably one of the safest places as they are most aware of how dangerous the PRC is. I would gladly visit there, as long as I can get a flight that doesn’t not go through the PRC or Hong Kong.
Taiwan even has a restaurant whose menu is full of Xi-t. You can empty a bowl in his honor.
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Yemini is a regular contributor to Robinson's “TR News” website and regularly produces social media content in support of the jailed former leader of the English Defence League (EDL).
I have read enough wumao posts in Twitter for a day. I don't want to lose any more brain cells.
I lost it when I saw the Global Times editor’s tweets. I don’t think I want to dive back into the treasure trove of wumao content in Twitter. I think we’ve already had our fair share of such (or at least similar) views here on NSG. Main difference is, wumao just throw insults at everything or parrot party lines, while fellow posters here on NSG make time to write out what they think.
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:"We have free speech in China except you can't criticize the government!"
Bengal and Assam wrote:I have read enough wumao posts in Twitter for a day. I don't want to lose any more brain cells.
I lost it when I saw the Global Times editor’s tweets. I don’t think I want to dive back into the treasure trove of wumao content in Twitter. I think we’ve already had our fair share of such (or at least similar) views here on NSG. Main difference is, wumao just throw insults at everything or parrot party lines, while fellow posters here on NSG make time to write out what they think.
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:"We have free speech in China except you can't criticize the government!"
Pilipinas and Malaya wrote: I lost it when I saw the Global Times editor’s tweets. I don’t think I want to dive back into the treasure trove of wumao content in Twitter. I think we’ve already had our fair share of such (or at least similar) views here on NSG. Main difference is, wumao just throw insults at everything or parrot party lines, while fellow posters here on NSG make time to write out what they think.
This is ever so slowly becoming reality in where I reside as well.
I lost a bunch watching our State of the Nation Address to be frank.
Pilipinas and Malaya wrote: I lost it when I saw the Global Times editor’s tweets. I don’t think I want to dive back into the treasure trove of wumao content in Twitter. I think we’ve already had our fair share of such (or at least similar) views here on NSG. Main difference is, wumao just throw insults at everything or parrot party lines, while fellow posters here on NSG make time to write out what they think.
This is ever so slowly becoming reality in where I reside as well.
I lost a bunch watching our State of the Nation Address to be frank.
Good. Too little, too late but better than nothing. Ever member of DAB, the CCP and the Lam/Xi regime should be hit with maximum sanctions. Every single one.
Hong Kong government may explore arrangements to help Hongkongers vote from the mainland, says Carrie Lam 更新時間 (HKT): 2020.08.03 22:44 Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on system
Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam said her administration may consider making it easier for Hongkongers living in mainland China to vote, such as setting up polling stations in Guangdong, moves being pushed by the pro-Beijing camp.
The pro-democracy camp questioned if such changes would be fair and criticized it as a ploy to expand the pro-establishment voter base.
Lam’s comments came during a Saturday interview with TVB, after she delayed legislative elections by a year amid a resurgent virus spread. Critics say that the virus was an excuse to avoid a rout of the pro-Beijing camp by voters furious with the new national security law.
Pro-Beijing heavyweight Jasper Tsang said that the government should introduce measures to make voting more convenient for Hongkongers who live and work in the Greater Bay Area, since the government encourages such cross-border arrangements.
Under the Legislative Council Ordinance, a Hong Kong adult can register as an elector in a geographical constituency only if that person “ordinarily resides” in Hong Kong.
Civic Party leader Alvin Yeung, a lawmaker, said the suggested changes would create many problems. “How will the pro-democracy camp observe the counting of the votes? How can we campaign in mainland China?” he said.
According to a report on the subject by the Legislative Council Secretariat, about 540,000 Hong Kong permanent residents reside in Guangdong province as of 2019. Expanding the city’s voting operations would increase costs and raise concerns with confidentiality and preventing electoral fraud, the report said.
Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Erick Tsang told lawmakers in April that the Hong Kong government was “in talks” with the mainland to see if it was possible to expand voter eligibility, citing the number of Hong Kong registered voters who ordinarily live in the mainland.
His predecessors, Raymond Tam and Patrick Nip, had ruled out the option in 2011 and 2019.
Democratic Party lawmaker Lam Cheuk-ting told Apple Daily that the Hong Kong government was “the biggest supporter” in helping the pro-Beijing camp win elections.
“[Erick Tsang] has not consulted the legislature or the public. Does he plan to unilaterally declare the establishment of a few dozen polling stations in mainland China, and expect Hongkongers to accept them without question?” Lam said.
Meanwhile, pro-Beijing politicians are mulling whether to disqualify four pro-democracy legislators from sitting in the provisional LegCo session that would last a year following the postponement of elections. They are also considering whether members should be appointed and handpicked by a select committee with the CCP's approval, just as it was with the original provisional LegCo that was installed in place of the fully-elected LegCo that was in session prior to the Handover. They expect pro-democracy politicians to serve as a "loyal opposition" by not serially vetoing legislation introduced by the government. Since when was Carrie Lam crowned Queen? Is this a very subtle way of trolling Hong Kongers who desire a return to British rule?
I can't be bothered to find the Apple Daily article for this one. The English edition can only be directly accessed via the Android app and not the desktop site. Thank god for Firefox's add/share feature.
EDIT: If the four pro-democracy legislators I mentioned earlier are barred from sitting, the entire pro-democracy bloc may opt to resign their seats in protest as they would no longer have the numbers needed to veto incoming legislation and the whole thing is a sham to begin with.
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:05 pm
by The New California Republic
Hong Kong pro-democracy tycoon Jimmy Lai has been arrested for suspected collusion with foreign forces, his aide has said.
Mark Simon said the businessman was held under the controversial national security law imposed by China in June.
Mr Lai supported pro-democracy protests that erupted in Hong Kong last year.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:34 pm
