Hong Kong II - Ragnarök

[The New California Republic]

Dunno how you figure that one out chief, since I've never even set foot in the good ol' US of A, let alone studied there.

Must be the Scots fault. Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland!

[Ethel mermania]

Having explained it twice, I'm going to chock this one up to America's failing schools.

Dunno how you figure that one out chief, since I've never even set foot in the good ol' US of A, let alone studied there.

And somehow its our fault. Clearly we must take over your schools. First order of business. There are two T’s in Scott

[Kaltovar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oGyNf9lqcs

Check it out, Taofledermaus got sent makeshift armor panels from Hong Kong and did testing for them. TL;DR they will stop .38 Special, but not 9mm FMJ fired out of a carbine length barrel.

Dunno how you figure that one out chief, since I've never even set foot in the good ol' US of A, let alone studied there.

And somehow its our fault. Clearly we must take over your schools. First order of business. There are two T’s in Scott

Motion to declare the Scottish education system a terrorist organization and invade!

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

To be quite honest it wasn't at all clear what you were trying to say. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Having explained it twice, I'm going to chock this one up to America's failing schools.

Ngl, I barely understood your post either. Not American either.

[Sundiata]

Ultimately, I am hopeful for the future of Hong Kong. Political freedom cannot be maintained without economic freedom (as defined by the Heritage Foundation's IEF) and Hong Kong still has plenty of it.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Since it's the week and all... happy Chinese New Year everybody in Hong Kong... except members of the CPC and their various fifth columnist lackeys both within the borders of the PRC and without.

[Novus America]

Ultimately, I am hopeful for the future of Hong Kong. Political freedom cannot be maintained without economic freedom (as defined by the Heritage Foundation's IEF) and Hong Kong still has plenty of it.

The problem is the opposite is not true. While political freedom might require economic freedom, economic freedom does NOT require political freedom.

The (manifestly incorrect) “End of History” assumption that economic freedom requires political freedom is why we are in this mess in the first place.

You are just doubling down on the wrong assumption that caused the problem.

[Dogmeat]

Ultimately, I am hopeful for the future of Hong Kong. Political freedom cannot be maintained without economic freedom (as defined by the Heritage Foundation's IEF) and Hong Kong still has plenty of it.

This may be the case, but I would caution you against believing it just because the Heritage Foundation said so. They're about as reliable as the CCP.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Since it's the week and all... happy Chinese New Year everybody in Hong Kong... except members of the CPC and their various fifth columnist lackeys both within the borders of the PRC and without.

I heard some of the celebrations were cancelled in Hong Kong. Also, it’s porbably for the better so that the Wuhan coronavirus spreads no further.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Every point you made is at odds with another one.

Together, Hong Kong and the PRC will build a bigger, better, brighter future

This is where we’re headed (to the best of my understanding)

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Together, Hong Kong and the PRC will build a bigger, better, brighter future

This is where we’re headed (to the best of my understanding)

:rofl:

The "Chinese Dream" man... it's intoxicating and soporific.

[Novus America]

Together, Hong Kong and the PRC will build a bigger, better, brighter future

This is where we’re headed (to the best of my understanding)

The same way a mouse and a snake “build a bigger, better, brighter future together” (or a least a bigger snake).

https://images.app.goo.gl/cJtfAFVifBVQRRNM8
(This is a picture of a snake eating, if you find such images scary)

[Jack Thomas Lang]

I'm not sure if this is has been mentioned, but the Hong Kong protesters are using their money to support local and pro-Hong Kong businesses. I think that's a really good idea at chipping away China's economic dominance, hopefully "yellow" businesses don't start getting closed.

[Bombadil]

I'm not sure if this is has been mentioned, but the Hong Kong protesters are using their money to support local and pro-Hong Kong businesses. I think that's a really good idea at chipping away China's economic dominance, hopefully "yellow" businesses don't start getting closed.

You have to love the Chinese government response..

A commentary in the People’s Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist party, said: “It is an insult to the word ‘economy’ and a breach of basic human rights. It’s barbaric, coarse and full of antisocial, anti-civilisation tendencies.”

Hyperbole much?

[The New California Republic]

I'm not sure if this is has been mentioned, but the Hong Kong protesters are using their money to support local and pro-Hong Kong businesses. I think that's a really good idea at chipping away China's economic dominance, hopefully "yellow" businesses don't start getting closed.

You have to love the Chinese government response..

A commentary in the People’s Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist party, said: “It is an insult to the word ‘economy’ and a breach of basic human rights. It’s barbaric, coarse and full of antisocial, anti-civilisation tendencies.”

Hyperbole much?

Oh that's rich coming from the CPC.

[Gormwood]

I'm not sure if this is has been mentioned, but the Hong Kong protesters are using their money to support local and pro-Hong Kong businesses. I think that's a really good idea at chipping away China's economic dominance, hopefully "yellow" businesses don't start getting closed.

You have to love the Chinese government response..

A commentary in the People’s Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist party, said: “It is an insult to the word ‘economy’ and a breach of basic human rights. It’s barbaric, coarse and full of antisocial, anti-civilisation tendencies.”

Hyperbole much?

Sounds awfully familiar.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

"It’s barbaric, coarse and full of antisocial, anti-civilisation tendencies.”

I'm sorry guys but did the Regnum Barbarorum of slavers and genociders says something extremely hypocritical?

[Sundiata]

Ultimately, I am hopeful for the future of Hong Kong. Political freedom cannot be maintained without economic freedom (as defined by the Heritage Foundation's IEF) and Hong Kong still has plenty of it.

The problem is the opposite is not true. While political freedom might require economic freedom, economic freedom does NOT require political freedom.

The (manifestly incorrect) “End of History” assumption that economic freedom requires political freedom is why we are in this mess in the first place.

You are just doubling down on the wrong assumption that caused the problem.

While political freedom does not establish economic freedom, economic freedom will establish the grounds for political freedom.

Because the people of Hong Kong are so prosperous, they'll most likely establish political freedom independent of any forms of tyranny or corruption.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The problem is the opposite is not true. While political freedom might require economic freedom, economic freedom does NOT require political freedom.

The (manifestly incorrect) “End of History” assumption that economic freedom requires political freedom is why we are in this mess in the first place.

You are just doubling down on the wrong assumption that caused the problem.

While political freedom does not establish economic freedom, economic freedom will establish the grounds for political freedom.

Because the people of Hong Kong are so prosperous, they'll most likely establish political freedom independent of any forms of tyranny or corruption.

Has yet to happen in PRC despite 40 years of "reform & openness". Au contraire it has gone the exact opposite way with maximum repression and maximum slavery.

[Novus America]

The problem is the opposite is not true. While political freedom might require economic freedom, economic freedom does NOT require political freedom.

The (manifestly incorrect) “End of History” assumption that economic freedom requires political freedom is why we are in this mess in the first place.

You are just doubling down on the wrong assumption that caused the problem.

While political freedom does not establish economic freedom, economic freedom will establish the grounds for political freedom.

Because the people of Hong Kong are so prosperous, they'll most likely establish political freedom independent of any forms of tyranny or corruption.

Again is not necessarily true. In many cases more economic freedom has NOT resulted in political freedom. Most obviously in the case of the PRC.

Macau despite its wealth is completely subordinate to the PRC.

You cannot assume economic freedom will lead to political freedom when in quite often does not.

The PRC can crush Hong Kong’s political freedom without changing its economic model and is currently in the process of doing so.
How will the people of Hong establish political freedom given Western greed and short sighted naive assumptions have made the PRC the world’s dominant power?

Political freedom is dying and tyranny rising everywhere. And the people of Hong Kong alone do not have the power to stop it.

Only if the US and EU place massive sanctions on the PRC can it be stopped.

[Kubra]

The problem is the opposite is not true. While political freedom might require economic freedom, economic freedom does NOT require political freedom.

The (manifestly incorrect) “End of History” assumption that economic freedom requires political freedom is why we are in this mess in the first place.

You are just doubling down on the wrong assumption that caused the problem.

While political freedom does not establish economic freedom, economic freedom will establish the grounds for political freedom.

Because the people of Hong Kong are so prosperous, they'll most likely establish political freedom independent of any forms of tyranny or corruption.

But they're not. Neighbouring Shenzhen eclipsed their economic worth quite some time ago.

[Bombadil]

While political freedom does not establish economic freedom, economic freedom will establish the grounds for political freedom.

Because the people of Hong Kong are so prosperous, they'll most likely establish political freedom independent of any forms of tyranny or corruption.

But they're not. Neighbouring Shenzhen eclipsed their economic worth quite some time ago.

It's all much of a muchness..

Shenzhen has a nominal GDP of HK$2.87 trillion, which recently surpassed neighboring Hong Kong's GDP of HK$2.85 trillion and Guangzhou's GDP of HK$2.68 trillion.

However the driver here is not economics, I'd say it's technically less about China and more anger towards the HK government and police. Still, the HK government acts the way it does because it's told to by China, and frankly China doesn't help itself in acting as leverage for the people of HK in stating their concerns to the rest of the world.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Tonight, I concluded that "The light of the Red Dynasty of China always illuminates others, never themselves."
中国红朝的灯，只照别人，永不照自己。

[Kubra]

But they're not. Neighbouring Shenzhen eclipsed their economic worth quite some time ago.

It's all much of a muchness..

Shenzhen has a nominal GDP of HK$2.87 trillion, which recently surpassed neighboring Hong Kong's GDP of HK$2.85 trillion and Guangzhou's GDP of HK$2.68 trillion.

However the driver here is not economics, I'd say it's technically less about China and more anger towards the HK government and police. Still, the HK government acts the way it does because it's told to by China, and frankly China doesn't help itself in acting as leverage for the people of HK in stating their concerns to the rest of the world.

Aw all I was getting at is that economic freedom didn't cut the mustard here, HK has a legitimate bone to pick with the mainland but this weren't one of em.

[Bombadil]

It's all much of a muchness..

Shenzhen has a nominal GDP of HK$2.87 trillion, which recently surpassed neighboring Hong Kong's GDP of HK$2.85 trillion and Guangzhou's GDP of HK$2.68 trillion.

However the driver here is not economics, I'd say it's technically less about China and more anger towards the HK government and police. Still, the HK government acts the way it does because it's told to by China, and frankly China doesn't help itself in acting as leverage for the people of HK in stating their concerns to the rest of the world.

Aw all I was getting at is that economic freedom didn't cut the mustard here, HK has a legitimate bone to pick with the mainland but this weren't one of em.

Frankly HK is a farce, it's a mirage of freedom so people can get money out of China, it's a useful clearing house that's tolerated. I'd personally argue that a degree of freedom of speech and access to media is really what sets HK apart, that and language, cuisine, traditions..