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I believe..

It will all die out and HK will slowly be subsumed into an authoritarian China
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21%
It will all die out but international pressure will come to bear on China to change
20
4%
It will continue yet HK will slowly be subsumed into an authoritarian China
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34%
It will continue and international pressure will come to bear on China to change
76
14%
Shit's going down yo'
72
13%
Hasselhoff will wake from his slumber and the chosen one will rise again
39
7%
I like clicking polls.. I mean, a bit like democracy I guess.. but i just like clicking polls
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6%
Other
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2%
 
Total votes : 547

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Bombadil
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:24 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Zixu wrote:有的人可以公开自由地发表鼓励和煽动暴动的言论,然而有的人借用解释这种言论来嘲讽他却被警告禁言。学会了,原来言论自由就是有利于我的自由,不利于我的闭嘴 :bow:

Some people are free to speak openly to encourage and incite riots, yet others are warned and banned for ridiculing those words by explaining them. You show me that freedom of speech is freedom for "me" and silence for those against "me"!


I mean your free to speak your mind as long as you don't break the rules. It's not that hard.


Alas the rules are that you're not free to speak your mind.
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Picairn
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:34 pm

Zixu wrote:有的人可以公开自由地发表鼓励和煽动暴动的言论,然而有的人借用解释这种言论来嘲讽他却被警告禁言。学会了,原来言论自由就是有利于我的自由,不利于我的闭嘴 :bow:

Some people are free to speak openly to encourage and incite riots, yet others are warned and banned for ridiculing those words by explaining them. You show me that freedom of speech is freedom for "me" and silence for those against "me"!

You mean "ridicule" by telling them to go and do all the works to create rebellions (manufacture gunpowder, smuggle guns, raise funds, train soldiers) for themselves, and then insinuating that they are a coward by spending time on the forum?

There's no freedom of speech on this site. It's Max Barry's playground and he dutifully told us so. If you feel distressed by the rules, you are free to create your own blogs. I hear WordPress is making a Premium discount.
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Sungoldy-China
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Postby Sungoldy-China » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:22 pm

It will be a shame if I can not get ban by a 'free world' forum ,
But in the end, I did.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:25 pm

Sungoldy-China wrote:It will be a shame if I can not get ban by a 'free world' forum ,
But in the end, I did.

And the words of an agent of the PRC has bearing how?
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Picairn
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:33 pm

Sungoldy-China wrote:It will be a shame if I can not get ban by a 'free world' forum ,
But in the end, I did.

Did Emperor Xi tell you that this is a free speech forum? Boy, you're mistaken.
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Violent Mike
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Founded: Apr 11, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Violent Mike » Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:09 am

Sungoldy-China wrote:It will be a shame if I can not get ban by a 'free world' forum ,
But in the end, I did.

Go back to /pol/.

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Rusozak
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Rusozak » Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:39 am

Sungoldy-China wrote:It will be a shame if I can not get ban by a 'free world' forum ,
But in the end, I did.


The concept of personal property might be foreign to you, but the owners of this site actually have free reign over anything on it. See the very first point in the NS Etiquette section under Help.
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The Free Joy State
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Founded: Jan 05, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:02 am

Bombadil wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
I mean your free to speak your mind as long as you don't break the rules. It's not that hard.


Alas the rules are that you're not free to speak your mind.

Why would supporters of the CCP not feel at home here: there is one person who has a set of rules that everyone must follow, and those who act against the rules may disappear. :p

However, lest anyone think I'm serious, let's analyse the crucial differences: here, the rules are clearly laid out before you (where-as the rules of the National Security Law are intentionally vague), they only apply to those who willingly signed up to the site (where-as Xi Jinping forced the National Security Law on the people of Hong Kong, including non-permanent residents of Hong Kong), the NS moderation process is open and clear (unlike China, to which those who break the vague National Security Law will be sent, no-one is declared guilty after "protracted sham prosecutions" based on coerced confessions from people forced to spend six months in forced incommunicado from friends and family and on the will of the government), being punished does not involved being subject to torture and having organs forcibly removed, and finally, if players are unhappy, they can leave (people who leave China know their families will be threatened if they say anything against the CCP).

So, really, it's not the same at all. Not even slightly.
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Picairn
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:14 am

Crucial update: Three activist leaders of Hong Kong have been sentenced to 7-13 months in prison for last year's demonstrations.

Joshua Wong, Agnes Chow and Ivan Lam Are Sentenced in Hong Kong https://nyti.ms/3fZSvWE
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Nekostan-e Gharbi
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Ex-Nation

Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:15 am

I actually strongly support allowing PRC loyalists to have free speech here so that the rest of humanity can understand the dangerous and delusional ideology of Sinostatism. Just like Nazism and Communism I do think the totalitarian ideology of Sinostatism needs to be exposed and understood so that it could be treated and social healing could come.
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What is Sinostatism?
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Nekostan-e Gharbi
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:20 am

Picairn wrote:Crucial update: Three activist leaders of Hong Kong have been sentenced to 7-13 months in prison for last year's demonstrations.

Joshua Wong, Agnes Chow and Ivan Lam Are Sentenced in Hong Kong https://nyti.ms/3fZSvWE


That’s really sad.

This is another piece of evidence showing that China needs to be abolished. Is there serious hatred between Germans and Austrians, Bulgarians and North Macedonians, Serbs and Republika Srpska residents, Romanians and Moldovans etc? No. What caused Chinese people from different polities to hate each other so much? There is one answer, namely the existence of China. It is China that historically treats its own subjects like shit. It is China that historically viewed internal discontent to be something much worse than even foreign invasions. It is China that masquerades as a nation state but in fact is absurdly brutal to both minorities and the majority. China, the 2,200+-year-old Qin-style totalitarian fascist state, needs to be abolished once and for all so that people, both Chinese and non-Chinese, can finally be liberated from this monster that has corrupted the entire world not with extreme ideologies such as communism but with political corruption, brutality and surveillance tech.
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Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
Current Prime Minister: Dr. Elisheva Cohen (she is fine with Elizabeth for non-Hebrew speakers) from Likud
Cats rule; dogs drool; Israel rocks; China sucks.
Abolish China and save lives.
What is Sinostatism?
Must read on China by David Goldman https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

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Glorious Hong Kong
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:36 pm

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:40 pm


So for those of us who don't wanna click the link what's going on?
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:30 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:

So for those of us who don't wanna click the link what's going on?


It's a youtube video.
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Alcala-Cordel
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:18 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:So for those of us who don't wanna click the link what's going on?


It's a youtube video.

Thank you, I understand now.
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Phoenicaea
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Postby Phoenicaea » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:17 am

^nekhostan e gharbi, some has noted that, given history and present, plausibly appropriate way of an issue whith china shall not be adressed as ‘close the chinese’. some ‘united states of china’ shall be better.
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Esheaun Stroakuss
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:54 am

The New California Republic wrote:The Stasi shit continues.


Well, can't say I am surprised.
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Nekostan-e Gharbi
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:24 am

Phoenicaea wrote:^nekhostan e gharbi, some has noted that, given history and present, plausibly appropriate way of an issue whith china shall not be adressed as ‘close the chinese’. some ‘united states of china’ shall be better.


Abolition of China means what it means. It is China the state that needs to be abolished.
Welcome to the Nekostan-e Gharbi. Our ancestors were a group of genetically enhanced Israeli cats raised by two Iranian Jewish women, Rachel Davidi and Esther Moshel. We are a constitutional monarchy where a line of benevolent and powerless feline queens “guide” the citizens or more precisely are the subject of their constant gossiping.

Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
Current Prime Minister: Dr. Elisheva Cohen (she is fine with Elizabeth for non-Hebrew speakers) from Likud
Cats rule; dogs drool; Israel rocks; China sucks.
Abolish China and save lives.
What is Sinostatism?
Must read on China by David Goldman https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:58 am

The New California Republic wrote:The Stasi shit continues.

Unsurprising.
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Rijk van Afrika
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:18 am

Hong Kong should be free. Preferably ruled by the British. I would love to visit and chat up the local women

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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:26 am

Rijk van Afrika wrote:Hong Kong should be free. Preferably ruled by the British. I would love to visit and chat up the local women


You'd have at least be 18 to visit afaik.

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Bombadil
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:32 am

The New California Republic wrote:The Stasi shit continues.


There's been other worse aspects, where a protest leader who'd fled to the UK had his bank account, and those of his family, frozen on trumped up charges. Thing is there was no court case here, the accounts were simply frozen and when the issues was raised the claim of corruption came up despite having audited accounts as to exact spend.

It's a bullshit charge aimed at intimidating someone through his family and illegally freezing accounts by fiat not law. HK is essentially the same as China now in that if they don't like you they'll simply act above the law and make up lies as an excuse.
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Picairn
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:33 am

Rijk van Afrika wrote:Hong Kong should be free. Preferably ruled by the British. I would love to visit and chat up the local women

What's up with your obsession with Asian women? You keep mentioning them in every thread you go.
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Rijk van Afrika
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Postby Rijk van Afrika » Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:15 am

Nakena wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:Hong Kong should be free. Preferably ruled by the British. I would love to visit and chat up the local women


You'd have at least be 18 to visit afaik.

I'm 34

Picairn wrote:
Rijk van Afrika wrote:Hong Kong should be free. Preferably ruled by the British. I would love to visit and chat up the local women

What's up with your obsession with Asian women? You keep mentioning them in every thread you go.

Because Asian women are the natural choice for gentlemen like myself.

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