Hong Kong II - Ragnarök

[LiberNovusAmericae]

This is it. This is officially the end of Hong Kong as a free nation. But we will NEVER surrender. Come September, we will throw out the treasonous, pro-Beijing sellouts from LegCo and elect principled, pro-democracy candidates who are loyal to Hong Kong and ONLY Hong Kong. We will begin passing our own laws and give China the big middle finger.

Liberate Hong Kong. Revolution of our Times.

In all honesty, I do not think that elections will help. The PRC and CCP still have the ''big stick'' method, ie sending in the army. And then?

Indeed. Hong Kong needs French Revolution style radicalism to survive. It needs men with guns to expel pro-China lawmakers from the LegCo, and start a revolution.

[Bengal and Assam]

This is it. This is officially the end of Hong Kong as a free nation. But we will NEVER surrender. Come September, we will throw out the treasonous, pro-Beijing sellouts from LegCo and elect principled, pro-democracy candidates who are loyal to Hong Kong and ONLY Hong Kong. We will begin passing our own laws and give China the big middle finger.

Liberate Hong Kong. Revolution of our Times.

By next week, the existence of the Legislative Council would a waste of space, as well as a reminder of the existence of democracy in Hong Kong before the Handover during the Patten era. The National Security Law, if passed would set a precedent, and China will continue pushing its retarded laws onto Hong Kong using "the backdoors" that exists in the Basic Law, until Hong Kong becomes just another Chinese city, but with the cars driving on the Left.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

This is it. This is officially the end of Hong Kong as a free nation. But we will NEVER surrender. Come September, we will throw out the treasonous, pro-Beijing sellouts from LegCo and elect principled, pro-democracy candidates who are loyal to Hong Kong and ONLY Hong Kong. We will begin passing our own laws and give China the big middle finger.

Liberate Hong Kong. Revolution of our Times.

By next week, the existence of the Legislative Council would a waste of space, as well as a reminder of the existence of democracy in Hong Kong before the Handover during the Patten era. The National Security Law, if passed would set a precedent, and China will continue pushing its retarded laws onto Hong Kong using "the backdoors" that exists in the Basic Law, until Hong Kong becomes just another Chinese city, but with the cars driving on the Left.

As I said, it is time for some actual revolutionary activities. Time for a new assembly backed by armed civilians to write a new constitution. It is time to build an army and establish an organization that views itself as a provisional government.

[Right Wing Meme Squad]

By next week, the existence of the Legislative Council would a waste of space, as well as a reminder of the existence of democracy in Hong Kong before the Handover during the Patten era. The National Security Law, if passed would set a precedent, and China will continue pushing its retarded laws onto Hong Kong using "the backdoors" that exists in the Basic Law, until Hong Kong becomes just another Chinese city, but with the cars driving on the Left.

As I said, it is time for some actual revolutionary activities. Time for a new assembly backed by armed civilians to write a new constitution. It is time to build an army and establish an organization that views itself as a provisional government.

Sounds really nice, but I ''doubt'' it will happen unless things accelerate real quickly.

Unless China really balkanizes with sudden separatists movements popping up.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

As I said, it is time for some actual revolutionary activities. Time for a new assembly backed by armed civilians to write a new constitution. It is time to build an army and establish an organization that views itself as a provisional government.

Sounds really nice, but I ''doubt'' it will happen unless things accelerate real quickly.

Unfortunately, I doubt it will happen either. But, I do think that is what needs to be done, and I hope some of the protesters come to that conclusion, and start to engage in these types of activities. Time to destroy the triads, time to punish the CCP puppets, and it is time to put loyalists on trial for treason against the liberties of the Hong Kong people.

The French Revolution overcame the odds due to their tactics, and it is time for the Hong Kongers to emulate them.

[Nemohsis]

Pretty sure it's illegal for Chinese citizens to even be on this website, because communication on online games is now prohibited as an attempt to pass the Great Firewall. lol.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Pretty sure it's illegal for Chinese citizens to even be on this website, because communication on online games is now prohibited as an attempt to pass the Great Firewall. lol.

I don't expect any of my posts to change the attitudes of protesters or movements in china, if that's what you're getting at.

[New Bremerton]

This is it. This is officially the end of Hong Kong as a free nation. But we will NEVER surrender. Come September, we will throw out the treasonous, pro-Beijing sellouts from LegCo and elect principled, pro-democracy candidates who are loyal to Hong Kong and ONLY Hong Kong. We will begin passing our own laws and give China the big middle finger.

Liberate Hong Kong. Revolution of our Times.

By next week, the existence of the Legislative Council would a waste of space, as well as a reminder of the existence of democracy in Hong Kong before the Handover during the Patten era. The National Security Law, if passed would set a precedent, and China will continue pushing its retarded laws onto Hong Kong using "the backdoors" that exists in the Basic Law, until Hong Kong becomes just another Chinese city, but with the cars driving on the Left.

Betcha the government is going to mandate that all cars drive on the right from now on just to spite the locals. They're like that.

By next week, the existence of the Legislative Council would a waste of space, as well as a reminder of the existence of democracy in Hong Kong before the Handover during the Patten era. The National Security Law, if passed would set a precedent, and China will continue pushing its retarded laws onto Hong Kong using "the backdoors" that exists in the Basic Law, until Hong Kong becomes just another Chinese city, but with the cars driving on the Left.

As I said, it is time for some actual revolutionary activities. Time for a new assembly backed by armed civilians to write a new constitution. It is time to build an army and establish an organization that views itself as a provisional government.

How?

Pretty sure it's illegal for Chinese citizens to even be on this website, because communication on online games is now prohibited as an attempt to pass the Great Firewall. lol.

So will Activision-Blizzard finally rethink its decision to screw HK and Taiwanese players just to please Beijing? Because sooner or later, China is going to screw Blizzard and other foreign investors in an epic Commie scam no matter how much these companies may kowtow to Beijing now. I was really looking forward to upgrading my WoW account.

[GHK here. Posting on my main because switching is a chore.]

[LiberNovusAmericae]

By next week, the existence of the Legislative Council would a waste of space, as well as a reminder of the existence of democracy in Hong Kong before the Handover during the Patten era. The National Security Law, if passed would set a precedent, and China will continue pushing its retarded laws onto Hong Kong using "the backdoors" that exists in the Basic Law, until Hong Kong becomes just another Chinese city, but with the cars driving on the Left.

Betcha the government is going to mandate that all cars drive on the right from now on just to spite the locals. They're like that.

As I said, it is time for some actual revolutionary activities. Time for a new assembly backed by armed civilians to write a new constitution. It is time to build an army and establish an organization that views itself as a provisional government.

How?

Pretty sure it's illegal for Chinese citizens to even be on this website, because communication on online games is now prohibited as an attempt to pass the Great Firewall. lol.

So will Activision-Blizzard finally rethink its decision to screw HK and Taiwanese players just to please Beijing? Because sooner or later, China is going to screw Blizzard and other foreign investors in an epic Commie scam no matter how much these companies may kowtow to Beijing now. I was really looking forward to upgrading my WoW account.

[GHK here. Posting on my main because switching is a chore.]

That is for any future revolutionaries to figure out.

[Tuthina]

I won't jump to conclusion so fast. IM being IM, they might actually welcome it. Well, hope they won't mind when PRC start exporting its castrated Steam platform with mandatory gaming time limit to Hong Kong.

In any case, you and Bombadil and everyone else who've protested for a democratic Hong Kong -- flee. Not to Taiwan -- if Xi is this brazen over territory his government de facto as well as de jure controls, what more Taiwan?

Flee to the Philippines! Flee to my country! We'll take you in!

Well, quite a few of us do have British Citizenship, and there are words of UK talking about giving the rights to abode to the rest of the population that got screwed over. Not that foreign citizenship help that much if the state is determined to screw you over, but it's better than nothing. I guess you can say that fleeing the city to the more civilised world is the last resort, but for many of us, if we're to flee, then we would have fled a year ago.

For now, I feel many of us would continue our fight (and not doxxing ourselves to the PRC apologists here - if there is one thing PRC is good at, it would be doxxing people) in the city as long as we can. Perhaps fortunately for us, Hong Kong has a more significant presence in international economy than Xinjiang, so it would take a bit longer for PRC to fully subsume it, so before that, the best we could do is to keep calling for help and hope that the civilised world will come to our rescue, if not for the good of their heart, then for the ulterior motive of having easier and more stable access to PRC's huge market. Still, if one day, one or more of us HK NSers disappear from the site without warning, you will know what happened.

That said, I remain optimistic of the future of Hong Kong. While things might look grim now - and it is - I'm aware that history can take time to run its course. The Japanese occupation lasted for 3 years and 8 months, and the repressive martial law of Taiwan and South Korea lasted decades. If Hong Kong is to become free, it would not be something done in a mere year, especially not with the mercy of Beijing.

[Bengal and Assam]

If I remember correctly, a few months ago, protesters met at a mall, and swore loyalty to a new constitution. What happened to that?

[Tuthina]

If I remember correctly, a few months ago, protesters met at a mall, and swore loyalty to a new constitution. What happened to that?

Well, they didn't have an army or international support, so that was that.

[Bengal and Assam]

The only problem I had with that constitutional announcement is that they went directly to a Presidential system of government, instead of promising a referendum on whether a Hong Kong nation would be a republic or a Constitutional Monarchy with the Queen as Head of State.

[Heloin]

The only problem I had with that constitutional announcement is that they went directly to a Presidential system of government, instead of promising a referendum on whether a Hong Kong nation would be a republic or a Constitutional Monarchy with the Queen as Head of State.

People aren't waving the British Hong Kong flag as a sign of loyalty to the crown.

[Bengal and Assam]

The only problem I had with that constitutional announcement is that they went directly to a Presidential system of government, instead of promising a referendum on whether a Hong Kong nation would be a republic or a Constitutional Monarchy with the Queen as Head of State.

People aren't waving the British Hong Kong flag as a sign of loyalty to the crown.

I know a few people who are. They might not be a majority, but they do exist.
And also, the question of the political system of an independent Hong Kong should come after its achieved.
The main aim of the protests is to preserve 1C2S in its original form, in other words, as negotiated between Deng and Prime Minister Thatcher.

[Northern Davincia]

In all honesty, I do not think that elections will help. The PRC and CCP still have the ''big stick'' method, ie sending in the army. And then?

Indeed. Hong Kong needs French Revolution style radicalism to survive. It needs men with guns to expel pro-China lawmakers from the LegCo, and start a revolution.

It will end once the tanks roll through, I'm afraid.

[Bombadil]

In any case, you and Bombadil and everyone else who've protested for a democratic Hong Kong -- flee. Not to Taiwan -- if Xi is this brazen over territory his government de facto as well as de jure controls, what more Taiwan?

Flee to the Philippines! Flee to my country! We'll take you in!

Well, quite a few of us do have British Citizenship, and there are words of UK talking about giving the rights to abode to the rest of the population that got screwed over. Not that foreign citizenship help that much if the state is determined to screw you over, but it's better than nothing. I guess you can say that fleeing the city to the more civilised world is the last resort, but for many of us, if we're to flee, then we would have fled a year ago.

For now, I feel many of us would continue our fight (and not doxxing ourselves to the PRC apologists here - if there is one thing PRC is good at, it would be doxxing people) in the city as long as we can. Perhaps fortunately for us, Hong Kong has a more significant presence in international economy than Xinjiang, so it would take a bit longer for PRC to fully subsume it, so before that, the best we could do is to keep calling for help and hope that the civilised world will come to our rescue, if not for the good of their heart, then for the ulterior motive of having easier and more stable access to PRC's huge market. Still, if one day, one or more of us HK NSers disappear from the site without warning, you will know what happened.

That said, I remain optimistic of the future of Hong Kong. While things might look grim now - and it is - I'm aware that history can take time to run its course. The Japanese occupation lasted for 3 years and 8 months, and the repressive martial law of Taiwan and South Korea lasted decades. If Hong Kong is to become free, it would not be something done in a mere year, especially not with the mercy of Beijing.

I go back and forth as ever, sometimes hope sometimes despair. Right now it's more just a little numb.

China’s proposed new security law for Hong Kong will allow Beijing’s security forces to operate in the city, where local authorities have indicated the powers will be used to try to suppress the pro-democracy protests that broke out almost a year ago.

The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, said on Friday that the legislation was effectively a “death knell” for Hong Kong’s status as an autonomous city. He urged China to “reconsider its disastrous proposal [and] abide by its international obligations”.

I expect this all to be followed by a radical overhaul of education, laws against free speech and media, further disappearances and detainments.. China will do what it knows, to crack down and assimilate by force. Perhaps a little more subtle in HK that in Xinjiang but the end goal is the same, to change our thought to be aligned with Xi Jinping Thought.

Beyond that, I am not really looking forward to summer - it's less to do with what happens in HK and more the greatly increased tensions given Trump will lay everything down on China in a bid to secure re-election and I don't know where that leads to. I'm certainly, at least, considering perhaps sitting in a shack on a beach in Thailand for a couple of months to see how this pans out.

[Rio Cana]

With this new law, the mainland will once and for all be able to bring HK. into line political with the mainland. However, it will cause Taiwan to further distance itself from the mainland.

[Diahon]

Well, quite a few of us do have British Citizenship, and there are words of UK talking about giving the rights to abode to the rest of the population that got screwed over. Not that foreign citizenship help that much if the state is determined to screw you over, but it's better than nothing. I guess you can say that fleeing the city to the more civilised world is the last resort, but for many of us, if we're to flee, then we would have fled a year ago.

For now, I feel many of us would continue our fight (and not doxxing ourselves to the PRC apologists here - if there is one thing PRC is good at, it would be doxxing people) in the city as long as we can. Perhaps fortunately for us, Hong Kong has a more significant presence in international economy than Xinjiang, so it would take a bit longer for PRC to fully subsume it, so before that, the best we could do is to keep calling for help and hope that the civilised world will come to our rescue, if not for the good of their heart, then for the ulterior motive of having easier and more stable access to PRC's huge market. Still, if one day, one or more of us HK NSers disappear from the site without warning, you will know what happened.

That said, I remain optimistic of the future of Hong Kong. While things might look grim now - and it is - I'm aware that history can take time to run its course. The Japanese occupation lasted for 3 years and 8 months, and the repressive martial law of Taiwan and South Korea lasted decades. If Hong Kong is to become free, it would not be something done in a mere year, especially not with the mercy of Beijing.

I go back and forth as ever, sometimes hope sometimes despair. Right now it's more just a little numb.

China’s proposed new security law for Hong Kong will allow Beijing’s security forces to operate in the city, where local authorities have indicated the powers will be used to try to suppress the pro-democracy protests that broke out almost a year ago.

The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, said on Friday that the legislation was effectively a “death knell” for Hong Kong’s status as an autonomous city. He urged China to “reconsider its disastrous proposal [and] abide by its international obligations”.

I expect this all to be followed by a radical overhaul of education, laws against free speech and media, further disappearances and detainments.. China will do what it knows, to crack down and assimilate by force. Perhaps a little more subtle in HK that in Xinjiang but the end goal is the same, to change our thought to be aligned with Xi Jinping Thought.

Beyond that, I am not really looking forward to summer - it's less to do with what happens in HK and more the greatly increased tensions given Trump will lay everything down on China in a bid to secure re-election and I don't know where that leads to. I'm certainly, at least, considering perhaps sitting in a shack on a beach in Thailand for a couple of months to see how this pans out.

Stay safe, you two. Even you, IM, for all the thoughtlessness you've talked about. And this goes for the rest of the denizens of that city who are on NS.

Stay safe, and flee as soon as you can. Do not test a government hellbent on running you over, especially when they've done it before.

[Bombadil]

I go back and forth as ever, sometimes hope sometimes despair. Right now it's more just a little numb.

China’s proposed new security law for Hong Kong will allow Beijing’s security forces to operate in the city, where local authorities have indicated the powers will be used to try to suppress the pro-democracy protests that broke out almost a year ago.

The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, said on Friday that the legislation was effectively a “death knell” for Hong Kong’s status as an autonomous city. He urged China to “reconsider its disastrous proposal [and] abide by its international obligations”.

I expect this all to be followed by a radical overhaul of education, laws against free speech and media, further disappearances and detainments.. China will do what it knows, to crack down and assimilate by force. Perhaps a little more subtle in HK that in Xinjiang but the end goal is the same, to change our thought to be aligned with Xi Jinping Thought.

Beyond that, I am not really looking forward to summer - it's less to do with what happens in HK and more the greatly increased tensions given Trump will lay everything down on China in a bid to secure re-election and I don't know where that leads to. I'm certainly, at least, considering perhaps sitting in a shack on a beach in Thailand for a couple of months to see how this pans out.

Stay safe, you two. Even you, IM, for all the thoughtlessness you've talked about. And this goes for the rest of the denizens of that city who are on NS.

Stay safe, and flee as soon as you can. Do not test a government hellbent on running you over, especially when they've done it before.

I'm not sure people quite get how important the home of HK is, it's hard to explain, it's the feeling you get just on seeing the city come into view when returning from holiday, if not even the Cathay Pacific logo in an overseas airport, it's eating a bowl of noodles in a cha chaan teng, it's the endlessly flexible and playful language, the ribald banter, a certain safety in that everything works, the convenience of an Octopus card, Cantonese movies, music, TV shows.. home and family is synonymous in Chinese, same character.

I'm not Chinese, but living here for such a long time, HK is my home, it's my routine, it's all my friends, the local shops, the old lady I don't even know who reminds to me to take my keys when I leave the house.. the grumpy vegetable lady who essentially forced me to learn Cantonese, my windsurfing friends, generous to a fault in equipment and advice.

Just upping and leaving, that's a really hard decision as is the thought of losing everything that makes HK home.

Hence 'if we burn you burn with us', it's like an abusive step-father has moved in and fuck it, we'll burn the house down rather than have his obnoxious presence in our home.

[Bombadil]

Weirdly this occurred in Beijing yesterday at 3pm as they discussed HK.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amIlVXX6exk

[Heloin]

Weirdly this occurred in Beijing yesterday at 3pm as they discussed HK.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amIlVXX6exk

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men, doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

[Bombadil]

Weirdly this occurred in Beijing yesterday at 3pm as they discussed HK.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amIlVXX6exk

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men, doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

“Say rather that the Ring has no power over him. He is his own master. But he cannot alter the Ring itself, nor break its power over others. And now he is withdrawn into a little land, within bounds that he has set, though none can see them, waiting perhaps for a change of days, and he will not step beyond them.”

[Novus America]

I mean this may be controversial but Hong Kong is the people, the culture. Not just the physical land. Would it maybe be possible to set up a New Hong Kong in say Alaska or Washington State (they have many empty and large islands with a similar geography albeit colder climate) and give everyone from Hong Kong the ability to migrate there? Even maybe provide financial assistance to do so?

Although less than ideal, maybe it would allow us to save some of Hong Kong.

[Nap the Magnificent]

I mean this may be controversial but Hong Kong is the people, the culture. Not just the physical land. Would it maybe be possible to set up a New Hong Kong in say Alaska or Washington State (they have many empty and large islands with a similar geography albeit colder climate) and give everyone from Hong Kong the ability to migrate there? Even maybe provide financial assistance to do so?

Although less than ideal, maybe it would allow us to save some of Hong Kong.

It would only work in the short term. You cannot entirely divorce a people from their land. Even a lot of nomadic people have an idea that XYZ geographic region is theirs.