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I believe..

It will all die out and HK will slowly be subsumed into an authoritarian China
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It will all die out but international pressure will come to bear on China to change
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It will continue yet HK will slowly be subsumed into an authoritarian China
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It will continue and international pressure will come to bear on China to change
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Shit's going down yo'
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Hasselhoff will wake from his slumber and the chosen one will rise again
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I like clicking polls.. I mean, a bit like democracy I guess.. but i just like clicking polls
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:48 pm

Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:That's it? A 14-day quarantine?

It makes me wonder where Hong Kong is going to accommodate arrivals from China for 14 days...
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Postby Heloin » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:15 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:That's it? A 14-day quarantine?

It makes me wonder where Hong Kong is going to accommodate arrivals from China for 14 days...

Turn the Frontier Closed Area from a nice involuntary park into one big holding pen.

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Postby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:49 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:That's it? A 14-day quarantine?

It makes me wonder where Hong Kong is going to accommodate arrivals from China for 14 days...


Hell, I wonder if they would even do that. If some CCP bureaucrat goes to Hong Kong he ain't gonna play by that quarantine. I wonder if there actually would be any sort of quarantine.

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:01 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:That's it? A 14-day quarantine?

It makes me wonder where Hong Kong is going to accommodate arrivals from China for 14 days...


Per the announcement..

From 12.01am on 8 February onwards, all those arriving from mainland China will be required to undertake 14 days of mandatory home quarantine. Depending on the circumstances, quarantine could take place in government facilities or at home. The Hong Kong SAR government has indicated it will announce further details of the quarantine measures in due course.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:44 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:That's it? A 14-day quarantine?

It makes me wonder where Hong Kong is going to accommodate arrivals from China for 14 days...


Heard that the cases were being quarantined in the New Territories, so most likely there too.
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Postby Tuthina » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:43 am

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It makes me wonder where Hong Kong is going to accommodate arrivals from China for 14 days...


Heard that the cases were being quarantined in the New Territories, so most likely there too.

Although since half of HK's population lives there too, that in itself does not mean the quarantine would be effective.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:53 am

Bombadil wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It makes me wonder where Hong Kong is going to accommodate arrivals from China for 14 days...


Per the announcement..

From 12.01am on 8 February onwards, all those arriving from mainland China will be required to undertake 14 days of mandatory home quarantine. Depending on the circumstances, quarantine could take place in government facilities or at home. The Hong Kong SAR government has indicated it will announce further details of the quarantine measures in due course.

Many of them likely will not have a home here, so extensive quarantine facilities will need to be set up somewhere.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:59 pm

I rarely visit TST, which is really the epicentre of HK. It's totally dead today. Tough to know how HK will get through all this economically. On the one hand I think we all somewhat appreciate the ability to walk along a pavement unobstructed by crowds milling around but on the other.. it's insane.
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Postby True Refuge » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:44 pm



Cats and dogs are the first to be culled when authorities have no idea what they’re doing in times of disease.

Kinda stupid.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:49 pm

True Refuge wrote:


Cats and dogs are the first to be culled when authorities have no idea what they’re doing in times of disease.

Kinda stupid.

It would honestly make more sense if they gave their police shotguns and ordered them to start culling the rat and pigeon populations....which btw will probably skyrocket if they start culling cats.

So this is REALLY stupid.

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Postby Albrenia » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:27 pm

Wow, I thought people worked out the cats killing rats was helpful for preventing the spread of some diseases a while back. Apparently not.

Does this virus even transmit to or travel upon dogs or cats?

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:32 pm

Albrenia wrote:Wow, I thought people worked out the cats killing rats was helpful for preventing the spread of some diseases a while back. Apparently not.

Does this virus even transmit to or travel upon dogs or cats?

The World Health Organization says there's no evidence of that.

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:21 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Per the announcement..

From 12.01am on 8 February onwards, all those arriving from mainland China will be required to undertake 14 days of mandatory home quarantine. Depending on the circumstances, quarantine could take place in government facilities or at home. The Hong Kong SAR government has indicated it will announce further details of the quarantine measures in due course.

Many of them likely will not have a home here, so extensive quarantine facilities will need to be set up somewhere.


Actually HK Disneyland would be a decent option since they've been closed since late January and have plenty of hotel space. They could also recoup some costs by charging the government.

Genivaria wrote:


Cats and dogs are the first to be culled when authorities have no idea what they’re doing in times of disease.


I vary as to how often I check Telegram these days but I'm pretty sure I saw a video of people throwing their pets out of high rises when the rumour first started.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:39 pm

Bombadil wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Many of them likely will not have a home here, so extensive quarantine facilities will need to be set up somewhere.


Actually HK Disneyland would be a decent option since they've been closed since late January and have plenty of hotel space. They could also recoup some costs by charging the government.

Genivaria wrote:
Cats and dogs are the first to be culled when authorities have no idea what they’re doing in times of disease.


I vary as to how often I check Telegram these days but I'm pretty sure I saw a video of people throwing their pets out of high rises when the rumour first started.


But there is the matter of disinfecting the place after use, it’s becoming a sort of controversy here too because our Athletic Village for the SEA Games will be used as quarantine space.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:51 am

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-10-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Above is the link for CNN's updates on the situation in China with the Coronavirus.

Apparently, Hong Kong's reported its 38th case. And according to the live database that Johns Hopkins keeps, Hong Kong has the third highest number of cases outside of Mainland China. This is potentially worrying, if not bad enough for Hong Kong.
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Postby Tuthina » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:18 am

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-10-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Above is the link for CNN's updates on the situation in China with the Coronavirus.

Apparently, Hong Kong's reported its 38th case. And according to the live database that Johns Hopkins keeps, Hong Kong has the third highest number of cases outside of Mainland China. This is potentially worrying, if not bad enough for Hong Kong.

Well, because Carrie Lam's insistent that Hong Kong's not shutting its border, that's kind of inevitable given the (relatively) high medical standards and proximity to PRC. Of course, it doesn't help that since the weather's coldest during Chines New Year, many people decide to enjoy some hot pot with their relatives. Unfortunately, the combination of a relatively long incubation period, the later knowledge that 2019-nCoV can transmit through aerosol, and the fact that sharing a pot with others aren't the most hygienic thing to begin with, it ends up posing a high risk of transmission for many - I think up to 10 individuals among the known cases are believed to be caused by one such hot pot dinner, where an infected individual shared the pots with 18 (!) family members.

Edit: The number's 42 now, according to local news outlet. Thanks a lot, Carrie!
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:18 am

Tuthina wrote:
Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-10-20-intl-hnk/index.html

Above is the link for CNN's updates on the situation in China with the Coronavirus.

Apparently, Hong Kong's reported its 38th case. And according to the live database that Johns Hopkins keeps, Hong Kong has the third highest number of cases outside of Mainland China. This is potentially worrying, if not bad enough for Hong Kong.

Well, because Carrie Lam's insistent that Hong Kong's not shutting its border, that's kind of inevitable given the (relatively) high medical standards and proximity to PRC. Of course, it doesn't help that since the weather's coldest during Chines New Year, many people decide to enjoy some hot pot with their relatives. Unfortunately, the combination of a relatively long incubation period, the later knowledge that 2019-nCoV can transmit through aerosol, and the fact that sharing a pot with others aren't the most hygienic thing to begin with, it ends up posing a high risk of transmission for many - I think up to 10 individuals among the known cases are believed to be caused by one such hot pot dinner, where an infected individual shared the pots with 18 (!) family members.

Edit: The number's 42 now, according to local news outlet. Thanks a lot, Carrie!


I heard it's at 47 now.

Edit: I misread a CNA headline about Singaporean cases, so I guess it still stays at 42, for now.



Finally, most countries would do otherwise and comply with Beijing's poor reasoning and remove any "anti-China" artwork.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:40 am



Good, I am glad someone is standing up to the PRC’s outrageous demands that no one should be allowed to criticize its oppression in Hong Kong.

The only sad thing is it is a temporary display, not a permanent one.

Funny how apparently Amnesty International is an “anti China organization” for standing up for the rights of Chinese people.
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Postby Tuthina » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:22 am

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
Tuthina wrote:Well, because Carrie Lam's insistent that Hong Kong's not shutting its border, that's kind of inevitable given the (relatively) high medical standards and proximity to PRC. Of course, it doesn't help that since the weather's coldest during Chines New Year, many people decide to enjoy some hot pot with their relatives. Unfortunately, the combination of a relatively long incubation period, the later knowledge that 2019-nCoV can transmit through aerosol, and the fact that sharing a pot with others aren't the most hygienic thing to begin with, it ends up posing a high risk of transmission for many - I think up to 10 individuals among the known cases are believed to be caused by one such hot pot dinner, where an infected individual shared the pots with 18 (!) family members.

Edit: The number's 42 now, according to local news outlet. Thanks a lot, Carrie!


I heard it's at 47 now.

Edit: I misread a CNA headline about Singaporean cases, so I guess it still stays at 42, for now.



Finally, most countries would do otherwise and comply with Beijing's poor reasoning and remove any "anti-China" artwork.

Well, it was 42 when I made that post, and 47 49 when you made yours. Also, good job, Denmark!
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:40 pm

Novus America wrote:


Good, I am glad someone is standing up to the PRC’s outrageous demands that no one should be allowed to criticize its oppression in Taiwan.

The only sad thing is it is a temporary display, not a permanent one.

Funny how apparently Amnesty International is an “anti China organization” for standing up for the rights of Chinese people.

At the risk of sounding like That Guy, how is standing up for the rights of Chinese people "anti China?"
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:48 pm

New Visayan Islands wrote:
Novus America wrote:Funny how apparently Amnesty International is an “anti China organization” for standing up for the rights of Chinese people.

At the risk of sounding like That Guy, how is standing up for the rights of Chinese people "anti China?"

IM called Amnesty a "hate group", and made out HRW to be terrorists, it's all part of the same narrative.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:15 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
New Visayan Islands wrote:At the risk of sounding like That Guy, how is standing up for the rights of Chinese people "anti China?"

IM called Amnesty a "hate group", and made out HRW to be terrorists, it's all part of the same narrative.

He really should renounce Canadian citizenship and work on his social credit points.
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