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Jumping Jupiters
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For and against Suicide

Postby Jumping Jupiters » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:19 am

What are some reasons for and against someone committing suicide.
I have a few ideas but I want to hear what you think...
*This is Hypothetical
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Postby New Amerik » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:22 am

For: To show them that you're serious.....
Umm...yeah, don't have anything here, soory.

Against: People tend to be very angry when you decide to up and kill yourself without telling them. It's really a hassle.

Believe me, I killed myself once, and it's not all it's cracked up to be.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:25 am

Jumping Jupiters wrote:What are some reasons for and against someone committing suicide.
I have a few ideas but I want to hear what you think...
*This is Hypothetical


For: Now imagine yourself as the leader of Zimbabwe...

Against: About every other possible hypothetical situation

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Postby JuNii » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:13 am

For: Life is hard and I give up.

Against: I hate quitting.
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Postby New Manvir » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:17 am

For: You, presumably, don't have to deal with life's bullshit.

Against: It makes people around you sad.
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Postby Dr Who not Daleks » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:20 am

For: Good way to kill an afternoon.
Against: Nothing comes to mind.

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Postby WokaStates » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:21 am

For: You choose the way/place/time ti die.

Against: Will make your relatives/ friends sad.

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Postby SaintB » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:23 am

For: You suffer from a chronic disorder that runs your quality of life and leads to your inevitable demise.

Against: All other cases. To commit suicide for any other reason is the most selfish thing anyone can do, its the ultimate statement of loathing for everyone else and is tantamount to saying that no matter how badly anyone suffers you are the only person who matters and/or nobody has ever suffered as badly as you.
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Postby Frenca » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:30 am

For: You have been bullied or abused harshy or you have a severe medical disorder that you can't take it anymore.
Against: Anything else. ANYTHING.
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Postby Self--Esteem » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:35 am

For: Your right to act according to your free will.

Against: Life is a value and taking one's own life is spitting on those who wanted to live but died due to a war or health issues/illnesses.

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Postby Self--Esteem » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:36 am

For: Your right to act according to your free will.

Against: Life is a value and taking one's own life is spitting on those who wanted to live but died due to a war or health issues/illnesses.

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Postby Prumia » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:36 am

Suicide is commited for any number of reasons. A persons life is depressing, they are in a condition of continues pain and so on or they are just tired of life. Reasons for commiting suicide: Whatever the person going to kill themself wants. Reasons against commiting suicide: What ever the person not going to kill themself wants. A blank question like "reasons for" is impossible to actually answer.
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Postby Stornhelm » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:39 am

For: I suppose if you have some kind of terminal illness or developing disability and want to decide when you die, or want to die before you can no longer care for yourself. If its just because your sad or lonely then you should try getting drunk or stoned instead the hangover is less permanent.

Against: If you change your mind while your hurtling towards the pavement, bleeding out or while the bleach or pills are burning a path through your organs, killing you slowly and painfully then your pretty much screwed. If you have no friends or family to be thoroughly devastated with your untimely death then you should think about the poor bugger who has to clean up the mess you will make.
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Postby Ermarian » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:52 am

For: Practically every single problem you have will become irrelevant.
Against: You don't get to see what comes next.
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Postby Dr Who not Daleks » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:59 am

Ermarian wrote:For: Practically every single problem you have will become irrelevant.
Against: You don't get to see what comes next.


If you killed your self wouldn't that mean you do get to see what comes next?

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Postby Georgism » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:05 am

If you need to weigh up the pros and cons of suicide, I don't really think it's for you :)
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Postby Falasia » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:09 am

For: Depression, Something they are affraid of telling there oarents for example being gay.

Againts: Upsets family and friends and society,
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Set the Unbound
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Postby Set the Unbound » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:12 am

For: you're coming up from a major depressive episode, and your motivation and planning ability is returning.

Against: if you can plan, you're getting better. Wait until after your next session and see if life still hurts as much.


Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:For: Now imagine yourself as the leader of Zimbabwe...

Against: About every other possible hypothetical situation


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Postby Argonius » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:33 am

We cannot ban someone from hurting himself just like the smoking ban. It's their freedom, no one must not interfere.
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Postby Rogernomics » Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:23 am

For: In a nutshell your life is pretty worthless and any achievement you made will be destroyed when the sun dies or humanity goes extinct, whatever comes first.

Against: As worthless as your life is its the only time you have here on Earth so you might as well squeeze the happiness you can out of it and accept more bad things will happen to you than good ones unless you are incredibly lucky.

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Postby Barringtonia » Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:35 am

Argonius wrote:We cannot ban someone from hurting himself just like the smoking ban. It's their freedom, no one must not interfere.


Of course, the actual issue is: to what extent we look to ban people from hurting others?

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Postby Navich » Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:40 am

For: You get to know how being dead is like faster.

Against: You're screwed if it's no fun.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:55 am

For: You can make the lives of people you love miserable. That will show 'em!
Against: You can make the lives of people you hate miserable, instead. That will show 'em!
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Postby Killfields » Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:00 am

For: Some ppl are really bad off in this world
Against: Ppl who want or have committed suicide are cowards
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Postby Central Slavia » Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:06 am

For: bad disease or injury - is better to die with dignity than like an animal.
Also taking up revenge, but only if your life was thoroughly ruined.
Against: except for te first reason, even if you do not see it you can usually make better of the situation.
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