Who should have been Person of the Year?

[Bombadil]

What's annoying is that I've already been the Time Person of the Year, when they did the mirrored cover with YOU on it, as in all the netizens changing the world.

If we had taken it this time as HK protestors then I could safely revamp my CV to say 'Twice Winner of Time Magazine's Person of the Year', and it would be true.

..but well done Greta I guess, in the end it's a magazine..

[Ard al Islam]

We could talk about people who I haven't mentioned in this poll, but then it would descend into a storm that would be banned in approximately 3 minutes. I would have wanted [REDACTED] to be Person of the Year, because [he/she] did [reasons].

[Ard al Islam]

I love this quote.

Why thank you.

You're welcome, fellow NationStates forum inhabitor.

[Outer Sparta]

What's annoying is that I've already been the Time Person of the Year, when they did the mirrored cover with YOU on it, as in all the netizens changing the world.

If we had taken it this time as HK protestors then I could safely revamp my CV to say 'Twice Winner of Time Magazine's Person of the Year', and it would be true.

..but well done Greta I guess, in the end it's a magazine..

I love how this website is debating on just a mere magazine award. It's not like it's the Nobel Prize for goodness sake.

[Sylvai]

What's it like twisting yourself into a pretzel to justify giving the award to someone who's never actually meaningfully put herself in harm's way to help others?

She is only 16 and I consider the people relentlessly attacking her for speaking her mind, raising awareness, and then being recognized for her activism to be harm that she placed herself in front of in order to help others with her activism.

Really, more criticism should be directed at TIME than Greta, or maybe we should just not give a damn because this is a vanity award from a magazine that has no effect on anyone's lives whatsoever. The Hong Kong protests aren't just gonna end at the hand of TIME, neither will Thunberg have stopped raising awareness for climate change after this award.

[Ard al Islam]

What's annoying is that I've already been the Time Person of the Year, when they did the mirrored cover with YOU on it, as in all the netizens changing the world.

If we had taken it this time as HK protestors then I could safely revamp my CV to say 'Twice Winner of Time Magazine's Person of the Year', and it would be true.

..but well done Greta I guess, in the end it's a magazine..

I love how this website is debating on just a mere magazine award. It's not like it's the Nobel Prize for goodness sake.

I believe [REDACTED] should win the Nobel Peace Prize, because [he/she] is the best world leader of all the world leaders, or simply, the best person in the world, because of the things they've done.

[Adamantaean Magocrate]

No it doesn't. This actually has nothing to do with Trump. Do you believe universal suffrage is a good measure of equality?

Because if the answer is "yes" then according to your logic the right is doing more to promote equality in China than the left is.

No, I generally consider wealth inequality a measure of inequality. Democracy producing reasonable outcomes is desirable but utopian.

[Heloin]

Really there where only two choices that made sense, Hong Kong or Greta. In my opinion either choice was a good one, well except to the people who really hate Greta for honestly no good reason.

What's annoying is that I've already been the Time Person of the Year, when they did the mirrored cover with YOU on it, as in all the netizens changing the world.

If we had taken it this time as HK protestors then I could safely revamp my CV to say 'Twice Winner of Time Magazine's Person of the Year', and it would be true.

..but well done Greta I guess, in the end it's a magazine..

If the protests run into next year maybe you can get that addition to your CV

[Bear Stearns]

What's annoying is that I've already been the Time Person of the Year, when they did the mirrored cover with YOU on it, as in all the netizens changing the world.

If we had taken it this time as HK protestors then I could safely revamp my CV to say 'Twice Winner of Time Magazine's Person of the Year', and it would be true.

..but well done Greta I guess, in the end it's a magazine..

I love how this website is debating on just a mere magazine award. It's not like it's the Nobel Prize for goodness sake.

The Nobel Prize, Time's Man/Woman of the Year and other such awards like the Oscars will gradually lose their cultural prestige as the West continues its decline, and in doing so, will make increasingly more desperate attempts at relevance by picking more and more politicized winners.

The Oscars won't mean shit in 2050 when China is the center of the world's movie industry.

[The American Royal States]

Speaking as the 2006 Person of The Year, it clearly should've been me. Again.

Nah Greta is fine.

[Ard al Islam]

The Oscars won't mean shit in 2050 when ChinaIndia is the center of the world's movie industry.

Fixed that for you. China's movie industry, I don't really see it taking off. As far as I can tell, India is already number one.

[Outer Sparta]

I love how this website is debating on just a mere magazine award. It's not like it's the Nobel Prize for goodness sake.

The Nobel Prize, Time's Man/Woman of the Year and other such awards like the Oscars will gradually lose their cultural prestige as the West continues its decline, and in doing so, will make increasingly more desperate attempts at relevance by picking more and more politicized winners.

The Oscars won't mean shit in 2050 when China is the center of the world's movie industry.

We're too obsessed with such awards like this.

[Sylvai]

No it doesn't. This actually has nothing to do with Trump. Do you believe universal suffrage is a good measure of equality?

Because if the answer is "yes" then according to your logic the right is doing more to promote equality in China than the left is.

How is this in any way related to the thread? How are "the right" doing more than "the left" when China has received near-universal criticism over the HK issues? Tell me, was it the left or the right who were abolitionist during the time of slavery?

[The American Royal States]

No, I generally consider wealth inequality a measure of inequality. Democracy producing reasonable outcomes is desirable but utopian.

Then you've a piss poor measure of equality. The ability to have a say in who rules over you is essential for any supposedly egalitarian society. If you don't care about universal suffrage then you don't really care about equality, which makes your dismissal of the HK protestors make a lot more sense.

Not really. As long the hoi polloi are treated fairly by the state, an occurrence so rare its pretty much theoretical I know, a state can be both egalitarian and autocratic. If anything that's how it should work.....

[Government Handouts]

Time went with the safe pick...

...they didn't have the balls to defy the CCP despite HK protesters receiving 96% of the vote from users in their poll. But Person of the Year is much like the New York Times Bestseller list- just bought and paid for most of the time anyway.

[Geneviev]

Greta Thunberg did deserve the award.

[Ard al Islam]

No it doesn't. This actually has nothing to do with Trump. Do you believe universal suffrage is a good measure of equality?

Because if the answer is "yes" then according to your logic the right is doing more to promote equality in China than the left is.

How is this in any way related to the thread? How are "the right" doing more than "the left" when China has received near-universal criticism over the HK issues? Tell me, was it the left or the right who were abolitionist during the time of slavery?

I think it was the right, correct me if I'm mistaken.

[Bear Stearns]

The Nobel Prize, Time's Man/Woman of the Year and other such awards like the Oscars will gradually lose their cultural prestige as the West continues its decline, and in doing so, will make increasingly more desperate attempts at relevance by picking more and more politicized winners.

The Oscars won't mean shit in 2050 when China is the center of the world's movie industry.

We're too obsessed with such awards like this.

The West's cultural elites like to enjoy the pageantry associated with these sort of things because it makes them feel important. And for the time being it works because the West's cultural elites are also the world's elites.

But it will not be this way forever.

[Adamantaean Magocrate]

Then you've a piss poor measure of equality. The ability to have a say in who rules over you is essential for any supposedly egalitarian society. If you don't care about universal suffrage then you don't really care about equality, which makes your dismissal of the HK protestors make a lot more sense.

It's a wonderful utopian goal. I hear the labour party in the UK is trying to do some nice things. Maybe I'll care when we have one of those.

[Bear Stearns]

Time went with the safe pick...

...they didn't have the balls to defy the CCP. But Person of the Year is much like the New York Times Bestseller list- just bought and paid for most of the time anyway.

Time Magazine isn't the most financially-stable enterprise. I could see them selling the distinction each year to stay afloat lmao

[Bear Stearns]

How is this in any way related to the thread? How are "the right" doing more than "the left" when China has received near-universal criticism over the HK issues? Tell me, was it the left or the right who were abolitionist during the time of slavery?

Both, actually. There were conservative abolitionists and more radical al abolitionists like Thaddeus Stevens.

There were abolitionists who believed that slavery was immoral and wanted to help black people.

There were abolitionists who believed slavery was immoral but didn't care for black people.

There were abolitionists who believed slavery was immoral and wanted slaves deported from the country.

[Occasus Online]

The only answer is clearly Baby Yoda. All others are of no real concern.

[Nagaoa]

No it doesn't. This actually has nothing to do with Trump. Do you believe universal suffrage is a good measure of equality?

Because if the answer is "yes" then according to your logic the right is doing more to promote equality in China than the left is.

How is this in any way related to the thread? How are "the right" doing more than "the left" when China has received near-universal criticism over the HK issues? Tell me, was it the left or the right who were abolitionist during the time of slavery?

Sane people on both sides had their anti-slavery sentiments. From the south's Ty Cobb (his family, not him directly), to the north's Abraham Lincoln, most non-elites were anti slavery by the time of the civil war.

[Adamantaean Magocrate]

Also, it's relevant because the poster I was responding to accused them of being less deserving than her and claimed the protests were "rightist" in origin.

I consider global warming a shit show, if we are so worried about warming we can put up solar shades and literally freeze ourselves to death. We can do it for Venus too.

[Salus Maior]

My mom.

She's great.