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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:10 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:Try that again in english please?

Despite initial well-meaning, the HK protests have been co-opted by right-wing goons taking money from the Kochs and other shadowy fuckers. And in America itself, the support for the protestors seems to be dominated by basement-dwelling incel gamers who don't care about any actual human rights abuses by the PRC and more about Blizzard being stupid or whatever. Also they jerk off over the leather-clad rooftop archers or whatever cause masculine fantasy.


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:14 am

Die mad, I guess.

(of natural causes over the course of a full life. Normally I wouldn't have to explain such a simple cliche that everyone understands the meaning of, but just in case someone is walking that hair trigger to think I just wished death on them, it's instead an invitation to remain mad at something that will not change)
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:15 am

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No major government has agreed to such.


Absolute lie.


Have China, Russia, or the US agreed to such? The answer is no.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:16 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
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Absolute lie.


Have China, Russia, or the US agreed to such? The answer is no.

Get the feeling this squabble is gonna come down the the definition of "major"

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Postby Ard al Islam » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:18 am

The Archregimancy wrote:We all realise that Person of the Year is a single magazine's editorial board recognising that someone was in the news a lot in the past year, and publicised in order to sell more copies of said magazine, right? It carries little in the way of the moral weight of a Nobel award, and the same recognition has previously been given to Hitler and Stalin on the basis of their undeniable impact at the time without implying an endorsement of either.

By getting this worked up about it, you are only helping create publicity for Time magazine and Ms Thunberg. Job done from Time's perspective, I would think.

Neither Stalin nor Hitler won a Nobel Prize.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:20 am

Ard al Islam wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:We all realise that Person of the Year is a single magazine's editorial board recognising that someone was in the news a lot in the past year, and publicised in order to sell more copies of said magazine, right? It carries little in the way of the moral weight of a Nobel award, and the same recognition has previously been given to Hitler and Stalin on the basis of their undeniable impact at the time without implying an endorsement of either.

By getting this worked up about it, you are only helping create publicity for Time magazine and Ms Thunberg. Job done from Time's perspective, I would think.

Neither Stalin nor Hitler won a Nobel Prize.

They were saying they were named Peron of the Year, illustrating it's not necessarily an honorific.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:22 am

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Cekoviu wrote:Which will obviously not come to fruition or do anything to fix the crisis at hand, but sure.


It's literally the only thing that can mitigate the crisis at hand, and what makes you think it won't happen?

Economic incentives, and even if the countries with net zero carbon emission goals actually reach that point, some of the largest sources of emissions do not have that as a goal and the 2050 goal is almost certainly too late to be only getting to zero.
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Postby Ard al Islam » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:27 am

Merni wrote:The award doesn't necessarily mean what she did is good (they gave it to Putin and Mark Zuckerberg ffs), just that, in Wikipedia's words, "for better or for worse... [she] has done the most to influence the events of the year".

Which, again, is disputable, but at least does not endorse her actions.

Mark Zuckerberg did great things for the world, and Putin didn't do good things, unless you're Russian, in which case he did great things.

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Postby Ard al Islam » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:28 am

Vassenor wrote:
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To award person that actually made something important, not just whined about how bad US is


So in other words you don't know what the criteria is. Since the magazine itself describes them as a person, a group, an idea, or an object that "for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year".

Unless you want to explain what important things PoTY luminaries such as Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin made.

So, you want to deny that Hitler and Stalin had any influence?

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Postby Ard al Islam » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:47 am

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Chokoku wrote:So you’re telling me her stupid handshake photos aren’t stunts? Wow so ‘natural’. Should we praise her for stunting the public and being the Logan Paul of the environment?

greta thunberg wearing an alien hat vlogging in suicide forest??

Logan Paul good, Greta Thunberg bad.

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Postby Gormwood » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:49 am

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Munkcestrian Republic wrote:greta thunberg wearing an alien hat vlogging in suicide forest??

Logan Paul good, Greta Thunberg bad.

Statement so shallow you couldn't drown an infant in it.
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Postby Ard al Islam » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:51 am

Antityranicals wrote:She didn't start the conversation, she's just its newest poster child. People have been saying the exact same thing for fifty years.


Greta Thunberg is basically the Joan of Arc of climate change. In that, she's completely irrelevant to the whole thing, and just cares strongly but doesn't do shit, and people are so desperate they all rally behind this one girl who did nothing and they make her out to be a hero for their cause. Hopefully, the same thing that happened to Joan will happen to her as well.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:53 am

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Antityranicals wrote:She didn't start the conversation, she's just its newest poster child. People have been saying the exact same thing for fifty years.


Greta Thunberg is basically the Joan of Arc of climate change. In that, she's completely irrelevant to the whole thing, and just cares strongly but doesn't do shit, and people are so desperate they all rally behind this one girl who did nothing and they make her out to be a hero for their cause. Hopefully, the same thing that happened to Joan will happen to her as well.


That's kind of a shitty thing to want. Noone should have to face being imprisoned by people who try to rape you repeatedly up until they use the fact that you object to being raped as an excuse to burn you alive.
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Postby Page » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:57 am

Ard al Islam wrote: Hopefully, the same thing that happened to Joan will happen to her as well.


That's fucked up even by NS standards.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:03 am

Ard al Islam wrote:
Antityranicals wrote:She didn't start the conversation, she's just its newest poster child. People have been saying the exact same thing for fifty years.


Greta Thunberg is basically the Joan of Arc of climate change. In that, she's completely irrelevant to the whole thing, and just cares strongly but doesn't do shit, and people are so desperate they all rally behind this one girl who did nothing and they make her out to be a hero for their cause. Hopefully, the same thing that happened to Joan will happen to her as well.

Man, you know Greta Thunberg is onto something when people are so triggered they want her immolated like Joan of Arc. Bet there's a few ITGs who threatened to rape her (a minor) too.
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Postby Ard al Islam » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:07 am

WOW. I was referring to what impact they caused. Joan of Arc was killed, but the French still won. My point was that despite Greta's shortcomings, the climate change issue would still be solved by actual environmentalists, like how actual French soldiers and commanders won the 100 Year War. I was in no way referring to how Joan died. That's dark as hell.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:09 am

Tfw I've arrived at Caudillo Bolsonaro's hurt feelings - The Thread.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:10 am

Ard al Islam wrote:WOW. I was referring to what impact they caused. Joan of Arc was killed, but the French still won. My point was that despite Greta's shortcomings, the climate change issue would still be solved by actual environmentalists, like how actual French soldiers and commanders won the 100 Year War. I was in no way referring to how Joan died. That's dark as hell.

Sure you weren't.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:10 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Tfw I've arrived at Caudillo Bolsonaro's hurt feelings - The Thread.

Wouldn't that be every right winger bitching about Leonardo diCaprio?
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Postby Czechostan » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:12 am

"She's not genuine" or "she doesn't deserve these awards" is a lazy attempt at distracting from the actual subject of her argument.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:13 am

Czechostan wrote:"She's not genuine" or "she doesn't deserve these awards" is a lazy attempt at distracting from the actual subject of her argument.

Let's cut to the chase. Bolso said what everybody opposed to Greta's thinking: "She's a brat."
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:14 am

Czechostan wrote:"She's not genuine" or "she doesn't deserve these awards" is a lazy attempt at distracting from the actual subject of her argument.

It's about raising awareness of climate change and pushing governments to take action. I'm not sure what the previous 270 posts were about.
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Postby Czechostan » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:16 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Czechostan wrote:"She's not genuine" or "she doesn't deserve these awards" is a lazy attempt at distracting from the actual subject of her argument.

Let's cut to the chase. Bolso said what everybody opposed to Greta's thinking: "She's a brat."

Imagine being so petty you have to pummel a 16-year-old autistic girl with insults to avoid facing the gravity of climate change. It's sad, really.

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:17 am

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Czechostan wrote:"She's not genuine" or "she doesn't deserve these awards" is a lazy attempt at distracting from the actual subject of her argument.

It's about raising awareness of climate change and pushing governments to take action. I'm not sure what the previous 270 posts were about.


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