I can’t believe Greta Thunberg won the person of the year

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Holy fuck NYT being pro-socialism? Seriously? Give me a break.

Maybe not actually pro-socialism, but catering to an ever-more leftist and socialist audience...

LOL pack it up folks

[Chokoku]

Hey at least you don’t ‘disappear’ out of thin air

Nah you just get shot by the cops and people consider it justified.

Big sad

(Hey at least your government won’t suddenly announce the courts less valid than a random committee you don’t elect over in Beijing)

[Munkcestrian Republic]

It's the damn New York Times. Whiny teenage idiots crying because they don't get socialism are all the rage there. Of course they want to make her seem like something more than a joke.

It's TIME Magazine, not the New York Times.

this has been a wild ride

[Kowani]

Not the UN itself, the world leaders who attend speeches there.

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Yelling at China probably wouldn't make any difference. China is a dictatorship, they're largely immune to public outrage. Democratic nations, not so much. Democratically elected leaders can, to varying degrees, be shamed and pressured into taking action on the environment.

Very true. Democratic countries, let’s use Switzerland as an example since they’re the most direct already, got their seven chancellors. When they want to push a regulation, you need public support. So Greta going to UN screaming while doing publicity stunts won’t do much really. She could’ve used that time and effort on going around putting up poster (preferably made from recycled paper) or going to the local council to attend a small meeting. Doing that at a few local councils would already do better than screaming

…You do realize who organized the school climate strikes, right?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Is she really? We just made person of the year to be some annoying chinese-bought hypocrite eco-radicalist? It really shows the world that we live in

"chinese-bought"

[Merni]

The award doesn't necessarily mean what she did is good (they gave it to Putin and Mark Zuckerberg ffs), just that, in Wikipedia's words, "for better or for worse... [she] has done the most to influence the events of the year".

Which, again, is disputable, but at least does not endorse her actions.

[Juristonia]

This seems yet again relevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMTrEbcG4yY

[Vassenor]

And what exactly do you suppose the criteria for the title to be?

To award person that actually made something important, not just whined about how bad US is

So in other words you don't know what the criteria is. Since the magazine itself describes them as a person, a group, an idea, or an object that "for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year".

Unless you want to explain what important things PoTY luminaries such as Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin made.

[Antityranicals]

It's the damn New York Times. Whiny teenage idiots crying because they don't get socialism are all the rage there. Of course they want to make her seem like something more than a joke.

this is going out of hand! now there's two Catholic Libertarians with awful takes

I find it funny how all the Catholics on NS are either socialists or libertarians...

[Munkcestrian Republic]

I am fine with HKers not being selected as person of the year but I don't think Greta Thunberg deserves that title.

Exactly. I could understand why Hong Kongers don’t win. We got other great people, Pete Buttigueg, the Ethiopian prime minister. BUT NOT GRETA FREAKING THUNBERG

another great post on NSG

[Solanos]

It's TIME Magazine, not the New York Times.

Ah. My mistake. I get all of those big New York traditional center-left publications mixed up...

Once again, you must be pretty damn sheltered. These people aren't anywhere close to left.

[Chokoku]

We all realise that Person of the Year is a single magazine's editorial board recognising that someone was in the news a lot in the past year, and publicised in order to sell more copies of said magazine, right? It carries little in the way of the moral weight of a Nobel award, and the same recognition has previously been given to Hitler and Stalin on the basis of their undeniable impact at the time without implying an endorsement of either.

By getting this worked up about it, you are only helping create publicity for Time magazine and Ms Thunberg. Job done from Time's perspective, I would think.

Well yeah, the magazine exactly wants these kinds of conversations. That’s not bad though

I don’t support them choosing her but it doesn’t make it a bad thing to create publicity in the way of showing how hypocritical Greta is. Creating publicity for TIME is fine, as long as I’m able to introduce other viewpoints to he conversations. That’s how I think at least

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Nah you just get shot by the cops and people consider it justified.

Big sad

(Hey at least your government won’t suddenly announce the courts less valid than a random committee you don’t elect over in Beijing)

Fred Hampton

[Magnum Exitium]

*-10% carbon emissions for the US*
Keep telling yourself that

"Traditionalist Catholic Libertarian and Ex-Republican.

Pro: Catholicism, Libertarianism, Free-Market Capitalism, Free Speech, Democracy, Gun Rights, Traditionalism, MRM, Bill of Rights, Militias, Pacifism, Agrarianism
Anti: Communism, Socialism, 3rd/4th Wave Feminism, Racism, Sexism, Fascism, Nazis, ANTIFA, Violence, Protestants, Islam, Democrats, Republicans, Imperialism, Interventionism, War, Urbanization"

you already know where your opinion's going

I fail to see your point. How about you try to make a legit argument.

[Antityranicals]

The award doesn't necessarily mean what she did is good (they gave it to Putin and Mark Zuckerberg ffs), just that, in Wikipedia's words, "for better or for worse... [she] has done the most to influence the events of the year".

Which, again, is disputable, but at least does not endorse her actions.

But she's quite frankly insignificant. Another rich leftist teen whining for the world to hear isn't news.

[Solanos]

Big sad

(Hey at least your government won’t suddenly announce the courts less valid than a random committee you don’t elect over in Beijing)

Fred Hampton

BLM leaders in recent years too

[Ifreann]

Where do you think regulations come from? The people who go to listen to speeches at the UN write them. Thunberg yelling at world leaders to get their shit together is far more likely to make a difference than what mode of transport she uses.

Oh lol do you really think screaming at the UN would change the politicians? Oh genius so politicians now do that?

No! They put out these policies so they could appeal to voters. Remember politicians work for votes, not for actual ‘kind-hearted-ness’. Politics isn’t this fancy place where you could ‘change the world’, they only put these policies out cuz the GENERAL populace pushes them to. It’s sad, but it’s true. Screaming in UN does nothing other than adding fake to Greta herself.

Yes, politicians work for votes. So when Thunberg gives a speech at the UN, politicians will get asked by journalists what they're going to do about the environment. And their answer will probably be bullshit they made up to sound good, but then we have them on camera saying they'll do something about the environment. Now voters can hold them to that. This is how you change the world. Collective action to pressure those in power to pursue the goals we demand them to pursue. Not individual lifestyle changes. Be environmentally friendly if you can, more power to you if you do, but recognise that what you do with your life is irrelevant compared to the vast quantities of pollution generated by big industries.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

this is going out of hand! now there's two Catholic Libertarians with awful takes

I find it funny how all the Catholics on NS are either socialists or libertarians...

"Pro-Trump, he's been an effective weapon against real enemies of freedom: The Left, but I wish he were more for free trade, more against deficits."

"Unrestrained capitalism is a great thing; it does wonders for standards of living of everyone, especially the poor."

[Solanos]

The award doesn't necessarily mean what she did is good (they gave it to Putin and Mark Zuckerberg ffs), just that, in Wikipedia's words, "for better or for worse... [she] has done the most to influence the events of the year".

Which, again, is disputable, but at least does not endorse her actions.

But she's quite frankly insignificant. Another rich leftist teen whining for the world to hear isn't news.

Do you even know how much money her parents have? Cause all I hear is "muh her mommy was a singer". Bro my dad is a jazz musician and he doesn't have a mansion. Most artists don't. But then again, tradcath means art = bad unless it's about how evil sex is.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

"Traditionalist Catholic Libertarian and Ex-Republican.

Pro: Catholicism, Libertarianism, Free-Market Capitalism, Free Speech, Democracy, Gun Rights, Traditionalism, MRM, Bill of Rights, Militias, Pacifism, Agrarianism
Anti: Communism, Socialism, 3rd/4th Wave Feminism, Racism, Sexism, Fascism, Nazis, ANTIFA, Violence, Protestants, Islam, Democrats, Republicans, Imperialism, Interventionism, War, Urbanization"

you already know where your opinion's going

I fail to see your point. How about you try to make a legit argument.

Oh it's a perfectly legit argument

[Juristonia]

The award doesn't necessarily mean what she did is good (they gave it to Putin and Mark Zuckerberg ffs), just that, in Wikipedia's words, "for better or for worse... [she] has done the most to influence the events of the year".

Which, again, is disputable, but at least does not endorse her actions.

But she's quite frankly insignificant. Another rich leftist teen whining for the world to hear isn't news.

In your even less significant opinion.
How often have you started world wide conversations about important topics this year?

[Costa Hermosa]

I can definately agree with Chokoku on this issue - they have made a good point.

Greta Thunberg is just not the right person to lead this crusade against climate change exactly due to her incompetence and complete irrelevance.

[Chokoku]

Very true. Democratic countries, let’s use Switzerland as an example since they’re the most direct already, got their seven chancellors. When they want to push a regulation, you need public support. So Greta going to UN screaming while doing publicity stunts won’t do much really. She could’ve used that time and effort on going around putting up poster (preferably made from recycled paper) or going to the local council to attend a small meeting. Doing that at a few local councils would already do better than screaming

…You do realize who organized the school climate strikes, right?

...You do realize she stopped organising after she got famous, right?

[Merni]

The award doesn't necessarily mean what she did is good (they gave it to Putin and Mark Zuckerberg ffs), just that, in Wikipedia's words, "for better or for worse... [she] has done the most to influence the events of the year".

Which, again, is disputable, but at least does not endorse her actions.

But she's quite frankly insignificant. Another rich leftist teen whining for the world to hear isn't news.

At least she's whining about the climate rather than not having enough dresses or whatever it is rich girls whine about these days...

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Fred Hampton

BLM leaders in recent years too

Nah all that was totally suicide