Where Should We Resettle Refugees In The US?

[Gormwood]

Funny how people cab simultaneously bitch about Arab countries oppressing non-Arabs then call for them to take in more non-Arabs.

Thats the joke

Foreingers hypocrysy

Jokes are supposed to make well-adjusted people laugh.

[The East Marches II]

Yes, the many white refugees fleeing…What, exactly?

Funny how people cab simultaneously bitch about Arab countries oppressing non-Arabs then call for them to take in more non-Arabs.

I wouldn't want my country to endure what the Turks have had to. Which is why I support their resettlement zone ops in Syria. That will solve the refugee problem for them. Who wants that sort of trouble?

[The East Marches II]

Thats the joke

Foreingers hypocrysy

Jokes are supposed to make well-adjusted people laugh.

No wonder you didn't find it funny :^)

[Samudera Darussalam]

They shouldn't expel any refugees that would be xenophobic, diversity is strength and they should only become stronger.

Can anyone name a benefit of diversity outside of ethnic food (which is mitigated by recipes being available on the internet anyways)?

Knowing people from other cultural background enables us to be more open-minded. It also helps to dispel certain stereotypes of others, bred either in our own environment or from the media. There are certain aspects of their culture, not necessarily related to food or religion, that can be made to enrich our own.

In my country, the interaction we had with people from China, Arabia, Europe, and India over the centuries left us with an unique culture, a mix of both native culture and the ones we adopted from the outside. Though I have to admit that conflicts indeed happen sometimes, living in it is mostly a pleasant experience. Not all multicultural country is Yugoslavia. The main principle is an equal respect from the many parties to each other, and I don't think it's that hard to do that.

[The East Marches II]

It has a tendency to turn democracy into a contest of ethnic strength rather a contest of ideas :^))))

Yugoslavia was working great man

At least we got some great music and aesthetics from the whole business :^)

[Nobel Hobos 2]

That wasn’t the question.

But also, diversity is what prevents societies from going the way of aboriginal Tasmanians.


This is nonsensical.

Aboriginals were diversified to death with the influx of anglo-saxons

I think you missed a detail there. Tasmanian Aborigines were hunted down, not "diversified to death".

Mainland Aborigines weren't destroyed by diversity, rather the opposite. Deprived of the best land (by force as well as by legal trickery) they were reduced in number to fit the carrying capacity of their remaining poor land, meanwhile the towns and cities full of immigrants thrived.

Though there aren't a lot of Aborigines now, they were not destroyed completely. In parts of Australia they are the majority.

None of this should be unfamiliar to you, it parallels very closely what happened to indigenous Americans.

[Nakena]

Can anyone name a benefit of diversity outside of ethnic food (which is mitigated by recipes being available on the internet anyways)?

Knowing people from other cultural background enables us to be more open-minded. It also helps to dispel certain stereotypes of others, bred either in our own environment or from the media. There are certain aspects of their culture, not necessarily related to food or religion, that can be made to enrich our own.

In my country, the interaction we had with people from China, Arabia, Europe, and India over the centuries left us with an unique culture, a mix of both native culture and the ones we adopted from the outside. Though I have to admit that conflicts indeed happen sometimes, living in it is mostly a pleasant experience. Not all multicultural country is Yugoslavia. The main principle is an equal respect from the many parties to each other, and I don't think it's that hard to do that.

I've grew up in a very multicultural environment with people from all across the world as my peers and contemporaries. I can't say it was a bad experience. Quite to the contrary I learned that way much about other cultures and their deeper mechanizations and how they roll, which is often quite different from what one may read in the books. For the better or the worse.

The main principle is an equal respect from the many parties to each other, and I don't think it's that hard to do that.

The big problem is with certain aggressive expanding (imported and also artificially engineered) monocultures who seek to push, extinquish and destroy all others. They're an actual threat to any diversity and freedom.

[Pannerstone]

Aboriginals were diversified to death with the influx of anglo-saxons

I think you missed a detail there. Tasmanian Aborigines were hunted down, not "diversified to death".

Mainland Aborigines weren't destroyed by diversity, rather the opposite. Deprived of the best land (by force as well as by legal trickery) they were reduced in number to fit the carrying capacity of their remaining poor land, meanwhile the towns and cities full of immigrants thrived.

Though there aren't a lot of Aborigines now, they were not destroyed completely. In parts of Australia they are the majority.

None of this should be unfamiliar to you, it parallels very closely what happened to indigenous Americans.

Meh if hundreds of thousands on anglos had kids with the aborginials they would eventually be bred out of the gene pool for all purposes regardless if they fought or not. If the population becomes more anglo then they go away. Its why so many american natives look pretty much white because there gene pool is practically wiped minus some reservations.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I think you missed a detail there. Tasmanian Aborigines were hunted down, not "diversified to death".

Mainland Aborigines weren't destroyed by diversity, rather the opposite. Deprived of the best land (by force as well as by legal trickery) they were reduced in number to fit the carrying capacity of their remaining poor land, meanwhile the towns and cities full of immigrants thrived.

Though there aren't a lot of Aborigines now, they were not destroyed completely. In parts of Australia they are the majority.

None of this should be unfamiliar to you, it parallels very closely what happened to indigenous Americans.

Meh if hundreds of thousands on anglos had kids with the aborginials they would eventually be bred out of the gene pool for all purposes regardless if they fought or not. If the population becomes more anglo then they go away. Its why so many american natives look pretty much white because there gene pool is practically wiped minus some reservations.

I see why you're confused, you're defining ethnicity by purity of the "gene pool" and not by persistence of culture.

Well you can stay confused, it's my experience that genetic racism isn't worth arguing against.

[Samudera Darussalam]

The main principle is an equal respect from the many parties to each other, and I don't think it's that hard to do that.

The big problem is with certain aggressive expanding (imported) monocultures who seek to push, extinquish and destroy all others. They're an actual threat to any diversity and freedom.

Well, yes. The problem we have is similar yet also different. The threat that you mentioned, perhaps come from the recent ones that have yet to be integrated into society. Meanwhile.....mine comes from certain parts of the native population, because of certain foreign influence. That's why I think, while others may not agree, certain values such as equal respect to each other may have been taught to kids.

[Pannerstone]

The big problem is with certain aggressive expanding (imported) monocultures who seek to push, extinquish and destroy all others. They're an actual threat to any diversity and freedom.

Well, yes. The problem we have is similar yet also different. The threat that you mentioned, perhaps come from the recent ones that have yet to be integrated into society. Meanwhile.....mine comes from certain parts of the native population, because of certain foreign influence. That's why I think, while others may not agree, certain values such as equal respect to each other may have been taught to kids.

Whats wrong with natives?

[Samudera Darussalam]

Well, yes. The problem we have is similar yet also different. The threat that you mentioned, perhaps come from the recent ones that have yet to be integrated into society. Meanwhile.....mine comes from certain parts of the native population, because of certain foreign influence. That's why I think, while others may not agree, certain values such as equal respect to each other may have been taught to kids.

Whats wrong with natives?

....This is going out of the original topic of this thread, I guess. I'll send you a telegram.

[Pannerstone]

Whats wrong with natives?

....This is going out of the original topic of this thread, I guess. I'll send you a telegram.

No im asking whats wrong with natives? It does have to do with refugees because natives live with the consequences

[Greed and Death]

Detroit seems to have a lot of room and excess housing.

most of it wrecked and worthless.

So they have jobs lined up to rebuild them. Keynesian at its finest.

[Loben The 2nd]

most of it wrecked and worthless.

So they have jobs lined up to rebuild them. Keynesian at its finest.

on land of little value

[Samudera Darussalam]

....This is going out of the original topic of this thread, I guess. I'll send you a telegram.

No im asking whats wrong with natives? It does have to do with refugees because natives live with the consequences

The refugees have nothing to do with that part. The refugees that come into our beaches....be they the Vietnamese fleeing the Northern takeover of Saigon, or the more recent phenomenon of the Rohingyas fleeing persecution in Myanmar, rarely choose ours as their final destination. They mostly want to go to either Malaysia, Australia, or even the U.S.

[Kowani]

2020 will be a good test, but 2022 will be a greater wave.

The party out of power does very well in midterms. I would not say the Republican wins in 2014 and 2010 especially indicated any massive right wing shift. I do expect as with what happened with Obama, for them to suffer as the Democrats did at the state level tbh.

Well, almost. Midterms do tend to do well in midterms, but conservatism in the US is facing a serious crisis, similar to the Democrats were at the end of the Progressive Era.

Because Turkey places most of them in camps, and lacks the infrastructure needed for an initial investment in them.

Investment in the poorly educated?

They’re already there. Better to educate them than create an underclass.

Why wouldn't Turkey just take already educated people from the Stans who share their language (somewhat)

Most of the Stans speak Languages from a different branch of the Turkic Family.

and the culture already?

Well, Turkey does already take immigrants from the Stans.

Some of them are in camps, more are working in the South and there are about a million or so who moved to work in the West of the country illegally.

True.

Lumen said what now?

A common argument made by Mr. Lumen is that if we don't have illegals, who will pick our crops for $2.50 a day. This is not dissimilar to what we hear on TV as why we need them. Fair points if one views virtual slave labor to the economy as a plus.[/quote] Economically speaking, he’s not wrong. The agriculture sector would collapse if not for illegal immigrants.

My usual riposte is just legalize slavery instead this convoluted system so you can sleep better at night. This is the only real use that maldeveloped, poorly educated people will have. Which is why I addressed it if that were the case, perhaps I am mistaken which is why I left my post a bit open ended if you had perhaps another idea on how they could contribute.

Yeah. You give them citizenship, which allows them protection from their employers, the ability to organize for their wages, and you make higher education free. Proper levels of public welfare spending allow them to establish autonomy and begin living with actual dignity.

[San Lumen]

most of it wrecked and worthless.

So they have jobs lined up to rebuild them. Keynesian at its finest.

Exactly it would be a win win for Detroit.

[The East Marches II]

Well, almost. Midterms do tend to do well in midterms, but conservatism in the US is facing a serious crisis, similar to the Democrats were at the end of the Progressive Era.

You are right. The gropyer army is coming for the last of the Neocons. If anything, it has given much joy to see that refuse finally put in the bin where it belongs.

They’re already there. Better to educate them than create an underclass.

But they won't be staying there forever will they? If they are, then it is all that much more incentive to make sure they don't come to our shores if they've no intention of returning home when the war is concluded.

Most of the Stans speak Languages from a different branch of the Turkic Family.

Yes, but it somewhat mutually intelligible. Hence why I said somewhat. They don't have much issue picking up Turkish.

Well, Turkey does already take immigrants from the Stans.

Illegal immigration is much of it. If the Turks are going to take people in, they ought to take their own kin. This assumes of course immigration is always good and that people are interchangable, which is not the case but for the sake of argument I will concede the point.

Economically speaking, he’s not wrong. The agriculture sector would collapse if not for illegal immigrants.

I entirely agree. They are vital as of now. I would prefer we did away with the hypocrisy and either legalized slavery or fixed the wage problem.

Yeah. You give them citizenship, which allows them protection from their employers, the ability to organize for their wages, and you make higher education free. Proper levels of public welfare spending allow them to establish autonomy and begin living with actual dignity.

Mr. Lumen and co wouldn't want that as a solution. He might have to pay more for vegetables as he has bemoaned in the past. I am quite fine with it however. If we want cheap vegetables, Uncle Sugar can always subsidize it and we won't have to keep importing third worlders to subsidize it for us.

[Katganistan]

Jokes are supposed to make well-adjusted people laugh.

No wonder you didn't find it funny :^)

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[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

They should be resettled in their own country.

The state's purpose should be to serve its own people, not a foreign people. Taking in refugees is, in fact, a detriment to the native people, and thus the state should not do so.

[Cekoviu]

They should be resettled in their own country.

The state's purpose should be to serve its own people, not a foreign people. Taking in refugees is, in fact, a detriment to the native people, and thus the state should not do so.

On what basis do thou make this judgment?

[Gormwood]

They should be resettled in their own country.

The state's purpose should be to serve its own people, not a foreign people. Taking in refugees is, in fact, a detriment to the native people, and thus the state should not do so.

The natives didn't figure that out at Jamestown.

[Thyrgga]

They should be resettled in their own country.

The state's purpose should be to serve its own people, not a foreign people. Taking in refugees is, in fact, a detriment to the native people, and thus the state should not do so.

The natives didn't figure that out at Jamestown.

Which is exactly his point. Those people got marginalized by the other group.

[Gormwood]

The natives didn't figure that out at Jamestown.

Which is exactly his point. Those people got marginalized by the other group.

And you missed the irony of someone calling for a nation founded on the displacement of aboriginal people to bar settlement of foreigners out of an unrealistic and probably racist fear of displacement.