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Where Should We Resettle Refugees?

The Midwest
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20%
The East
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5%
The Southern States
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8%
The West
29
14%
We Shouldn't Resettle Refugees
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54%
 
Total votes : 214

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Postby Solanos » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:13 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:Appeal to greater problems is automatically discarded unless you are actively working against the heat death of the universe.


I fully support the human conquest of the multiverse tbqh

Please experience the real world.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:15 am

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Kowani wrote:Appeal to greater problems is automatically discarded unless you are actively working against the heat death of the universe.


I fully support the human conquest of the multiverse tbqh

You’d have better luck getting sharks to attend tea parties.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:15 am

Kowani wrote:
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I fully support the human conquest of the multiverse tbqh

You’d have better luck getting sharks to attend tea parties.


Sounds like a great way to get rid of the British, I'm game to try :lol:
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Postby Satuga » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:16 am

Maybe we should, first get them proper paperwork and citizenship(should they want), then give them a proper introduction to the US economy and work force, and give them pros and cons of different areas, and then give them a choice of where they want to live?
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:16 am

It's a bad sign when you think refugees should be dealt with like a Heinlein book. There's a reason Verhoeven satirized Starship Troopers to Hell and back.
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Postby Solanos » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:17 am

Gormwood wrote:It's a bad sign when you think refugees should be dealt with like a Heinlein book. There's a reason Verhoeven satirized Starship Troopers to Hell and back.
So much better than the book.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:20 am

Solanos wrote:
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I don't see what's edgy about "We should not tolerate the existence of genocidal regimes."

Other things I say perhaps. But not that one.

And yet America should not be the world's police. It always results in total hegemony for fascism, as well as the rise of even more genocidal regimes. We've been down this road before.


Not really no. As debased and corrupt as Europe is, it would be worse if not for American intervention.

The rest of the world has similar issues and needs similar repairs, and we must also fix Europe's current backslide into barbarism.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:24 am

Satuga wrote:Maybe we should, first get them proper paperwork and citizenship(should they want), then give them a proper introduction to the US economy and work force, and give them pros and cons of different areas, and then give them a choice of where they want to live?

Many refugees do end up becoming citizens. I agree they should get a choice of where they go

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Postby Solanos » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:26 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Solanos wrote:And yet America should not be the world's police. It always results in total hegemony for fascism, as well as the rise of even more genocidal regimes. We've been down this road before.


Not really no. As debased and corrupt as Europe is, it would be worse if not for American intervention.

The rest of the world has similar issues and needs similar repairs, and we must also fix Europe's current backslide into barbarism.

Says the future school shooter.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:27 am

Solanos wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Not really no. As debased and corrupt as Europe is, it would be worse if not for American intervention.

The rest of the world has similar issues and needs similar repairs, and we must also fix Europe's current backslide into barbarism.

Says the future school shooter.


And you call me edgy?
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Postby Solanos » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:29 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Solanos wrote:Says the future school shooter.


And you call me edgy?

Yes

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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:25 am

Solanos wrote:So edgy. Gonna see you on the news after the next shooting.


Solanos wrote:Says the future school shooter.


Unhelpful.

I'm not going to hand out any warnings to a brand-new account for this sort of thing, but let's perhaps not imply that our fellow posters are potential mass-shooters.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:54 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Solanos wrote:And yet America should not be the world's police. It always results in total hegemony for fascism, as well as the rise of even more genocidal regimes. We've been down this road before.


Not really no. As debased and corrupt as Europe is, it would be worse if not for American intervention.

The rest of the world has similar issues and needs similar repairs, and we must also fix Europe's current backslide into barbarism.


That doesnt mean we should be the police force of the world and slam the door on immigration and refugees

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:16 pm

...Everywhere. Why is that not an option on the poll?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:17 pm

Cekoviu wrote:...Everywhere. Why is that not an option on the poll?

I agree we should not limit them to certain places. If they want to go to Buffalo, Jefferson City, Boulder or Sacramento it should be respected.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:...Everywhere. Why is that not an option on the poll?

I agree we should not limit them to certain places. If they want to go to Buffalo, Jefferson City, Boulder or Sacramento it should be respected.

No, I mean that every single person in the United States should be assigned a random place in the US and resettled there every five years.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Not really no. As debased and corrupt as Europe is, it would be worse if not for American intervention.

The rest of the world has similar issues and needs similar repairs, and we must also fix Europe's current backslide into barbarism.


That doesnt mean we should be the police force of the world and slam the door on immigration and refugees


Of course not. Immigration, and taking advantage of the opportunities afforded therein, is a time honored American tradition. This has nothing to do with Refugees.
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Postby Satuga » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:21 pm

Cekoviu wrote:No, I mean that every single person in the United States should be assigned a random place in the US and resettled there every five years.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:22 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
That doesnt mean we should be the police force of the world and slam the door on immigration and refugees


Of course not. Immigration, and taking advantage of the opportunities afforded therein, is a time honored American tradition. This has nothing to do with Refugees.

Ok but haven't you been saying we should be the police of the world and not allow in new refugees?

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Of course not. Immigration, and taking advantage of the opportunities afforded therein, is a time honored American tradition. This has nothing to do with Refugees.

Ok but haven't you been saying we should be the police of the world and not allow in new refugees?


No. I said that if we allow in refugees we should...

A.) Take action as a nation to end the circumstances of their exile.

B.) Expect those refugees of able body to contribute to that national effort.

Or in short terms. Dictator starts pogrom-ing people with blonde hair, we accept refugees, and then we overthrow the dictator and set up a government under our control and answerable to the USA.

Then, the refugees who weren't of able body return home to their newly de-dictatorized homes.

Refugee =\= Immigrant.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:33 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Ok but haven't you been saying we should be the police of the world and not allow in new refugees?


No. I said that if we allow in refugees we should...

A.) Take action as a nation to end the circumstances of their exile.

B.) Expect those refugees of able body to contribute to that national effort.

Or in short terms. Dictator starts pogrom-ing people with blonde hair, we accept refugees, and then we overthrow the dictator and set up a government under our control and answerable to the USA.

Then, the refugees who weren't of able body return home to their newly de-dictatorized homes.

Refugee =\= Immigrant.

How about no? some of these countries have no opposition. Eritrea is a prime example as is Belarus. I would rather not spend money on wars we dont have to fight.

Who are you to tell them they have to rebel against their government? Why not just let them come the US for better opportunities and if they chose to eventually become citizens let them.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
No. I said that if we allow in refugees we should...

A.) Take action as a nation to end the circumstances of their exile.

B.) Expect those refugees of able body to contribute to that national effort.

Or in short terms. Dictator starts pogrom-ing people with blonde hair, we accept refugees, and then we overthrow the dictator and set up a government under our control and answerable to the USA.

Then, the refugees who weren't of able body return home to their newly de-dictatorized homes.

Refugee =\= Immigrant.

How about no? some of these countries have no opposition. Eritrea is a prime example as is Belarus. I would rather not spend money on wars we dont have to fight.

That’s a load of horseshit. Every country has some form of opposition. Just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, otherwise you wouldn’t have repressive regimes

Who are you to tell them they have to rebel against their government? Why not just let them come the US for better opportunities and if they chose to eventually become citizens let them.

Because we can’t support the entire world. Hell we barely can support our own people and we regularly fuck over American workers. What makes you think we can support millions of refugees?
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Postby Napkizemlja » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:48 pm

Gormwood wrote:It's a bad sign when you think refugees should be dealt with like a Heinlein book. There's a reason Verhoeven satirized Starship Troopers to Hell and back.

Except he didn't. You can't satirize something you've never read before.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How about no? some of these countries have no opposition. Eritrea is a prime example as is Belarus. I would rather not spend money on wars we dont have to fight.

That’s a load of horseshit. Every country has some form of opposition. Just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, otherwise you wouldn’t have repressive regimes

Who are you to tell them they have to rebel against their government? Why not just let them come the US for better opportunities and if they chose to eventually become citizens let them.

Because we can’t support the entire world. Hell we barely can support our own people and we regularly fuck over American workers. What makes you think we can support millions of refugees?



It some countries there isnt. Eritrea has no one waiting to take over if the ruling party fell. Same goes for Syria. Uzbekistan is another.

I never said we should support the entire world and we should have open borders. Im fine with their being limits Refugees dont take jobs.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
No. I said that if we allow in refugees we should...

A.) Take action as a nation to end the circumstances of their exile.

B.) Expect those refugees of able body to contribute to that national effort.

Or in short terms. Dictator starts pogrom-ing people with blonde hair, we accept refugees, and then we overthrow the dictator and set up a government under our control and answerable to the USA.

Then, the refugees who weren't of able body return home to their newly de-dictatorized homes.

Refugee =\= Immigrant.

How about no? some of these countries have no opposition. Eritrea is a prime example as is Belarus. I would rather not spend money on wars we dont have to fight.

Who are you to tell them they have to rebel against their government? Why not just let them come the US for better opportunities and if they chose to eventually become citizens let them.


What does there not being a local rebellion we can coopt have to do with the price of butter? So we can't use an existing rebellion to our advantage, big deal. Doesn't mean we can't burn their government down and supplant it with one designed and run by us.

Why on Earth would we do that? That's beyond cowardly.
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