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What is the best colonial empire?

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Which one is the best colonial empire?

The Netherlands
1
4%
British empire
12
44%
French empire
2
7%
German empire
2
7%
Portuguese empire
0
No votes
Spanish empire
4
15%
United States
5
19%
Belgium
0
No votes
Russian empire
0
No votes
Italian empire
1
4%
 
Total votes : 27

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What is the best colonial empire?

Postby Neuer Deutsches Reich » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:05 pm

What is the best colonial empire? Your own opinion, debate it with others and if I don’t include yours I am sorry.

Also do not just look at size but at what impact it had on the world and/or it’s potential of one event didn’t happen.
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Postby Grahnol » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:22 pm

The British Empire. No doubt. They were by far the most humane, least oppressive to colonised lands and was willing to give their colonies independence when it was clear that either the colony or the British couldn't maintain colonial status for any longer. Usually, and I'm saying usually, the British treated those living under their colonies and such as equals, no matter their race and they even allowed local rulers to remain in place and administer some parts of their colonial administration. Still under British rule but they were lenient with their colonies and such.

I, however, can't discount the many atrocities the British Empire has done during its history, like those in India. The atrocities they have done are very bad and I can't discount them at all. I wouldn't say that I absolutely love the British Empire and that it should have been greater or that the Imperial Federation should have formed out of it but I do believe that out of every colonial empire in history, the British Empire was the best, or at least, least worst, as it had many merits to it.
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Postby Totenborg » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:54 pm

Neuer Deutsches Reich wrote:What is the best colonial empire? Your own opinion, debate it with others and if I don’t include yours I am sorry.

Also do not just look at size but at what impact it had on the world and/or it’s potential of one event didn’t happen.

None. Colonialism was/is an atrocity.
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Postby Bendicion » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:59 pm

Spain.
Yes they hade their own share of atrocities and such but they treated native peoples much more differently. Other than just trade, they always followed (at the start probs) to convert natives to christianity and gave some natives some kind of treatment.

just my opinion,

especially if i compare them to the dutch.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:14 pm

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Postby Derika » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:18 pm

Grahnol wrote:The British Empire. No doubt. They were by far the most humane, least oppressive to colonised lands and was willing to give their colonies independence when it was clear that either the colony or the British couldn't maintain colonial status for any longer. Usually, and I'm saying usually, the British treated those living under their colonies and such as equals, no matter their race and they even allowed local rulers to remain in place and administer some parts of their colonial administration. Still under British rule but they were lenient with their colonies and such.

I, however, can't discount the many atrocities the British Empire has done during its history, like those in India. The atrocities they have done are very bad and I can't discount them at all. I wouldn't say that I absolutely love the British Empire and that it should have been greater or that the Imperial Federation should have formed out of it but I do believe that out of every colonial empire in history, the British Empire was the best, or at least, least worst, as it had many merits to it.

Basically all colonial empires committed some kind of atrocities.
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Postby Monsone » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:21 pm

Probably the German Empire because it was way more humane and viewed the colonial citizens more favorably than most. Not to mention, they rode zebras.
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Postby The Federated Soviets of North America » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:23 pm

The poll is missing Japan, Oman, Denmark, Sweden, and, if you want to really stretch some definitions, New Zealand and Australia.
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Postby Derika » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:26 pm

The Federated Soviets of North America wrote:The poll is missing Japan, Oman, Denmark, Sweden, and, if you want to really stretch some definitions, New Zealand and Australia.

Out of general curiosity, why would New Zealand and Australia be a colonial empire?
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Postby Valtrona » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:33 pm

I would most likely say the Italian Colonial Empire was the “best” in terms of treatment of its natives and colonists, granted that’s a pretty low bar to set but that’s what the bar should be.

In terms of conquest and power, the best colonial empire would be the British Empire hands down. Not only did they control the largest territory in history and a dominating navy for centuries, but also had a massive impact on world culture in ways we can’t even fully list out.

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Postby Armed Southern Republic » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:35 pm

The 3rd Reich

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Postby Derika » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:36 pm

Valtrona wrote:I would most likely say the Italian Colonial Empire was the “best” in terms of treatment of its natives and colonists, granted that’s a pretty low bar to set but that’s what the bar should be.

In terms of conquest and power, the best colonial empire would be the British Empire hands down. Not only did they control the largest territory in history and a dominating navy for centuries, but also had a massive impact on world culture in ways we can’t even fully list out.

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Postby The Federated Soviets of North America » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:39 pm

Derika wrote:
The Federated Soviets of North America wrote:The poll is missing Japan, Oman, Denmark, Sweden, and, if you want to really stretch some definitions, New Zealand and Australia.

Out of general curiosity, why would New Zealand and Australia be a colonial empire?


After they were granted Dominion status, the Brits handed over control of some of their colonies in the area to them, and these territories were often explicitly referred to as Australian/Kiwi colonies. The ones that got independence (Papua New Guinea for Australia, Sāmoa for New Zealand) are recognized as having gained independence from Australia/New Zealand, rather than Britain. Granted, I doubt that anyone would actually vote for either of them, but they still fit the definition.
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Postby Cetacea » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:40 pm

Derika wrote:
The Federated Soviets of North America wrote:The poll is missing Japan, Oman, Denmark, Sweden, and, if you want to really stretch some definitions, New Zealand and Australia.

Out of general curiosity, why would New Zealand and Australia be a colonial empire?


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Postby Monsone » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:40 pm

Armed Southern Republic wrote:The 3rd Reich


Not really a colonial empire. Yes it took over France's colonies, but in name only, and really was more so a empire than a colonial empire since it had no distinguishing feats in the colonies they controlled besides being beat out of them thanks to the Allies and Italian incompetence in North Africa.
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Postby Derika » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:41 pm

The Federated Soviets of North America wrote:
Derika wrote:Out of general curiosity, why would New Zealand and Australia be a colonial empire?


After they were granted Dominion status, the Brits handed over control of some of their colonies in the area to them, and these territories were often explicitly referred to as Australian/Kiwi colonies. The ones that got independence (Papua New Guinea for Australia, Sāmoa for New Zealand) are recognized as having gained independence from Australia/New Zealand, rather than Britain. Granted, I doubt that anyone would actually vote for either of them, but they still fit the definition.

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Postby Czechostan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:47 pm

Courland, precisely because they were the worst at colonizing.

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Postby The Federated Soviets of North America » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:49 pm

Now that I think about it, Norway, Austria-Hungary, Chile, Latvia, and (arguably) China all had/have very minor colonial empires.
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Postby Sundiata » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:29 pm

Like most people, I find colonialism repugnant.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:32 pm

America's soft power colonialism is freaking amazing. I love seeing Germans say truck rather than lorry.
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Postby The Federated Soviets of North America » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:39 pm

Greed and Death wrote:America's soft power colonialism is freaking amazing. I love seeing Germans say truck rather than lorry.

Maybe, but that isn't really colonialism, and true American colonialism (Manifest Destiny, Spanish-American War, American-Philippine War, etc.) was/is among the most brutal in history.
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We're not locking those that were already in place before the moratorium, but we've been locking those that have started up over the last couple of days.

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