Burleigh County, North Dakota May Bar New Refugees

[San Lumen]

We should therefore close the border and declare no more immigrants? Watch how quickly the economy collapses.

There'd be a temporary adjustment as rich people suddenly can't their maids $2/hour and farm owners have to hire American laborers and give them full benefits and allow them to unionize. The horror.

If you support using illegal immigrant labor, you might as well support serfdom.

If you support H1b immigrants stagnating white collar wages, then you must love tech robber barons.

closing the border and declaring no more immigration would crash the economy. I dont support illegal immigrant labor. Refugees aren't illegal immigrants though.

I know of someone who was a refugee from Iran who was outed as gay in the Iranian military and deserted and fled to Turkey. He was arrested and sent to a Turkish prison. He was going to be sent back to Tehran where he would have be executed. he was rescued via a refugee program and sent to Houston with little more than a few hundred dollars and basic bathroom supplies. He recently became a US Citizen and is now a successful model and actor in Los Angeles.

According to you he shouldn't have been rescued from Turkey and should instead have been hung?

[Totally Not OEP]

Cool, no one cares.

Seems like you care.

I don't care for your argument, there is a difference.

[Totally Not OEP]

Pretty sure counties have no legal authority to make such a decision.

The whole "Immigration is good" schtick is a modern invention with no real basis in American society.

Ironic that the most xenophobic and ardent anti-immigration members of our society are 100% guaranteed to be descendants of immigrants.

And? Being hypocrite doesn't make me wrong.

[San Lumen]

Seems like you care.

I don't care for your argument, there is a difference.

You think we should end the refugee program as well and close the border? If more refugees were white would you have a problem?

[Bear Stearns]

They were still technically immigrants as who did they take land from? The Indigenous peoples.

What did you mean earlier about refugees not belonging in North Dakota? where do they belong in your view?

You can't be an immigrant if you were born here. That's a bit antithetical to what it means to be an immigrant.

According to these Amerind ethnonationalists, I'm still an immigrant even though I'm an 11-generation American. The last time I had family members on another continent, England had a Catholic monarch.

[Telconi]

There'd be a temporary adjustment as rich people suddenly can't their maids $2/hour and farm owners have to hire American laborers and give them full benefits and allow them to unionize. The horror.

If you support using illegal immigrant labor, you might as well support serfdom.

If you support H1b immigrants stagnating white collar wages, then you must love tech robber barons.

closing the border and declaring no more immigration would crash the economy. I dont support illegal immigrant labor. Refugees aren't illegal immigrants though.

I know of someone who was a refugee from Iran who was outed as gay in the Iranian military and deserted and fled to Turkey. He was arrested and sent to a Turkish prison. He was going to be sent back to Tehran where he would have be executed. he was rescued via a refugee program and sent to Houston with little more than a few hundred dollars and basic bathroom supplies. He recently became a US Citizen and is now a successful model and actor in Los Angeles.

According to you he shouldn't have been rescued from Turkey and should instead have been hung?

It's one or the other. The only sector of the economy dependent on immigration is the illicit employment of people for sub-standard wages. If you say immigration is necessary, then you think paying people two bucks an hour to pick grapes is necessary.

[Totally Not OEP]

I don't care for your argument, there is a difference.

You think we should end the refugee program as well and close the border? If more refugees were white would you have a problem?

"Do you want Germans instead of Nigerians?"
"Fuck off, we're full lol."

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Pretty sure counties have no legal authority to make such a decision.



Ironic that the most xenophobic and ardent anti-immigration members of our society are 100% guaranteed to be descendants of immigrants.

And? Being hypocrite doesn't make me wrong.

If you say so.

[Bear Stearns]

There'd be a temporary adjustment as rich people suddenly can't their maids $2/hour and farm owners have to hire American laborers and give them full benefits and allow them to unionize. The horror.

If you support using illegal immigrant labor, you might as well support serfdom.

If you support H1b immigrants stagnating white collar wages, then you must love tech robber barons.

closing the border and declaring no more immigration would crash the economy.

No, it would end middle class stagnation and lead an appreciation in the standard of living of working class people. I suppose rich people would be hurt but oh well who cares about them. Our economy is unsustainable as is.

I dont support illegal immigrant labor.

Then we agree. Let's deport them.

Refugees aren't illegal immigrants though.

That is true, but they are still by and large wards of the state and generally unpleasant.

I know of someone who was a refugee from Iran who was outed as gay in the Iranian military and deserted and fled to Turkey. He was arrested and sent to a Turkish prison. He was going to be sent back to Tehran where he would have be executed. he was rescued via a refugee program and sent to Houston with little more than a few hundred dollars and basic bathroom supplies. He recently became a US Citizen and is now a successful model and actor in Los Angeles.

Cool story bro? Your personal anecdotes don't really matter though. I also know refugees who are drug dealers.

According to you he shouldn't have been rescued from Turkey and should instead have been hung?

Why is his political situation specifically the US's problem and not an issue for Turkey and Iran to figure out?

[Telconi]

I don't care for your argument, there is a difference.

You think we should end the refugee program as well and close the border? If more refugees were white would you have a problem?

You do understand that it's possible to develop opinions of people based upon features other than skin color, right?

[San Lumen]

You think we should end the refugee program as well and close the border? If more refugees were white would you have a problem?

"Do you want Germans instead of Nigerians?"
"Fuck off, we're full lol."

There are very few if any German refugees. Who cares what their skin color is? Should the young man whose example I gave above not have been rescued and been sent back to Tehran to have been hung?

[Bear Stearns]

I don't care for your argument, there is a difference.

You think we should end the refugee program as well and close the border? If more refugees were white would you have a problem?

Nah, most of them are crap too. Just because I'd prefer them to Somalis doesn't mean I'd like them either.

There are already a lot of Eastern European refugees where I live and a lot of them are just straight up mobsters. Not pleasant people.

[San Lumen]

closing the border and declaring no more immigration would crash the economy.

No, it would end middle class stagnation and lead an appreciation in the standard of living of working class people. I suppose rich people would be hurt but oh well who cares about them. Our economy is unsustainable as is.

I dont support illegal immigrant labor.

Then we agree. Let's deport them.

Refugees aren't illegal immigrants though.

That is true, but they are still by and large wards of the state and generally unpleasant.

I know of someone who was a refugee from Iran who was outed as gay in the Iranian military and deserted and fled to Turkey. He was arrested and sent to a Turkish prison. He was going to be sent back to Tehran where he would have be executed. he was rescued via a refugee program and sent to Houston with little more than a few hundred dollars and basic bathroom supplies. He recently became a US Citizen and is now a successful model and actor in Los Angeles.

Cool story bro? Your personal anecdotes don't really matter though. I also know refugees who are drug dealers.

According to you he shouldn't have been rescued from Turkey and should instead have been hung?

Why is his political situation specifically the US's problem and not an issue for Turkey and Iran to figure out?

If its so simple to just close the border why haven't we done so? Because it would collapse the economy.

Refugees arent wards of the state and unpleasant.

Very few refugees are drug dealers. Provide a source

There would have been no negotiating. Instead of becoming a US citizen he'd be dead as homosexuality means the death penalty in Iran and he wouldn't be doing what he loves in Los Angeles.

[Totally Not OEP]

"Do you want Germans instead of Nigerians?"
"Fuck off, we're full lol."

There are very few if any German refugees. Who cares what their skin color is? Should the young man whose example I gave above not have been rescued and been sent back to Tehran to have been hung?

You literally just asked if it would matter if the immigrants were White instead of any of the various hues....

[Bear Stearns]

No, it would end middle class stagnation and lead an appreciation in the standard of living of working class people. I suppose rich people would be hurt but oh well who cares about them. Our economy is unsustainable as is.



Then we agree. Let's deport them.



That is true, but they are still by and large wards of the state and generally unpleasant.



Cool story bro? Your personal anecdotes don't really matter though. I also know refugees who are drug dealers.



Why is his political situation specifically the US's problem and not an issue for Turkey and Iran to figure out?

If its so simple to just close the border why haven't we done so?

Because massive corporations routinely lobby against and the US government is beholden to corporate money? The agricultural, tech and restaurant industries are the main culprits.

It Because it would collapse the economy

Some rich people would suffer.

Refugees arent wards of the state and unpleasant.

Very few refugees are drug dealers. Provide a source

Like your source about your "Iranian actor friend"? :^)

There would have been no negotiating. Instead of becoming a US citizen he'd be dead as homosexuality means the death penalty in Iran and he wouldn't be doing what he loves in Los Angeles.

Hmm sad.

[Bear Stearns]

According to these Amerind ethnonationalists, I'm still an immigrant even though I'm an 11-generation American. The last time I had family members on another continent, England had a Catholic monarch.

It really is an almost cult-like reverence for immigration.

"Had an immigrant in your family 5 generations ago? Then you're an immigrant."

It also makes the definition of immigrant basically meaningless. I guess anyone who can't prove at least 50% Shawnee ancestry is a foreigner.

[San Lumen]

If its so simple to just close the border why haven't we done so?

Because massive corporations routinely lobby against and the US government is beholden to corporate money? The agricultural, tech and restaurant industries are the main culprits.

It Because it would collapse the economy

Some rich people would suffer.

Refugees arent wards of the state and unpleasant.

Very few refugees are drug dealers. Provide a source

Like your source about your "Iranian actor friend"? :^)

There would have been no negotiating. Instead of becoming a US citizen he'd be dead as homosexuality means the death penalty in Iran and he wouldn't be doing what he loves in Los Angeles.

Hmm sad.

Its not that. Its because the economy would collapse without immigration but you know better than everyone else. If it was that simple it would have been done.

Hmm sad? That's your reaction? I would take thousands more of people like him and welcome them to our shores. Let them be free instead of oppressed.

[Telconi]

It really is an almost cult-like reverence for immigration.

"Had an immigrant in your family 5 generations ago? Then you're an immigrant."

It also makes the definition of immigrant basically meaningless. I guess anyone who can't prove at least 50% Shawnee ancestry is a foreigner.

Everyone's an immigrant, if you go back far enough.

[San Lumen]

It also makes the definition of immigrant basically meaningless. I guess anyone who can't prove at least 50% Shawnee ancestry is a foreigner.

It's a bit like the one drop rule that some racists use.

If you're 1% African then you're black. If you had an immigrant ancestor ten generations ago then you're an immigrant.

Technically everyone who isnt from the Indigenous peoples is a descent of immigrants. I am not calling everyone immigrants

[Telconi]

Because massive corporations routinely lobby against and the US government is beholden to corporate money? The agricultural, tech and restaurant industries are the main culprits.



Some rich people would suffer.



Like your source about your "Iranian actor friend"? :^)



Hmm sad.

Its not that. Its because the economy would collapse without immigration but you know better than everyone else. If it was that simple it would have been done.

Hmm sad? That's your reaction? I would take thousands more of people like him and welcome them to our shores. Let them be free instead of oppressed.

Generally speaking, what you'd do, isn't the endorsement you think it is.

[Totally Not OEP]

It's a bit like the one drop rule that some racists use.

If you're 1% African then you're black. If you had an immigrant ancestor ten generations ago then you're an immigrant.

Technically everyone who isnt from the Indigenous peoples is a descent of immigrants. I am not calling everyone immigrants

What is the Bering Land Bridge?

[Bear Stearns]

It also makes the definition of immigrant basically meaningless. I guess anyone who can't prove at least 50% Shawnee ancestry is a foreigner.

Everyone's an immigrant, if you go back far enough.

Everyone also shat in the woods if you back far enough.

[Bear Stearns]

It's a bit like the one drop rule that some racists use.

If you're 1% African then you're black. If you had an immigrant ancestor ten generations ago then you're an immigrant.

Technically everyone who isnt from the Indigenous peoples is a descent of immigrants. I am not calling everyone immigrants

You're applying an ethnic-based definition to whether or not someone is an immigrant? That sounds racist.

[Telconi]

Everyone's an immigrant, if you go back far enough.

Everyone also shat in the woods if you back far enough.

Making both of these distinctions rather silly.

[Yirophia]

Let's ignore that helping those in such dire need, through no fault of their own, as to rightly be called "refugees" is a moral good and downright imperative. Let's just gloss over the simple fact that, more than that, there's also the pragmatic concern of propagating enlightened, western, liberal ideals (you know, the kind that tend to prevent refugee waves from spawning in the first place, as well as objectively and outright definitionally being our best known treatment for all human misery) both by assimilating immigrants, including but not limited to refugees that would then be free to stay as full citizens should they choose or go back to their homeland and pass on what they've learned from their experiences of an extended vacational stay in the living apex of human civilisation relatively (though sadly not totally, certainly not in these trying times especially) isolated from tribalism, arbitrary rule, and general pointless suffering. Let's not even contemplate the second and admittedly fuzzier pragmatic concern of building upon the previous by forming and maintaining a positive image of the liberal western world in those areas of the world which have not yet properly entered it, merely being dragged along instead, often perceiving, wholly wrongly, the very cure for their sickness as the cause thereof rather than their reluctance to follow the leader and consequently susceptible to everything from social """democracy""" through socialism along to communism and back around the little-discussed dark, terrifying far side of the "horseshoe" (more a closed loop) and back through Nazism, fascism, military authoritarianism, reactionary monarchism, far-right and conservative and religiously-guided and (most ironic and non-descriptive of all) """moralistic""" """democracy""", none of which are ever, even once, for the most fleeting moment, the answer.

... Ignoring all that, then, let's talk about how totally removing all immigration quotas, citizenship restrictions, cultural comprehension tests and so on would make everyone -- yes, you too -- twice as rich.

Edit: blanked and hit submit, left a hanging through and incomplete post. Fixed now.