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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:06 am

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Totenborg wrote:Forcibly vaccinate them, the tell them to fuck off.

Let’s not. Forcing medical treatment is a very dangerous path to go down


The alternative is segragating anti-vaxxers from the general population. Is that better ?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:35 am

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San Lumen wrote:Let’s not. Forcing medical treatment is a very dangerous path to go down


The alternative is segragating anti-vaxxers from the general population. Is that better ?

No but forced medical care is not a door we should open

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Postby Gim » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:36 am

C0nspiracy wrote:Vaccines still exist? Illuminati confirmed.


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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:37 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
The alternative is segragating anti-vaxxers from the general population. Is that better ?

No but forced medical care is not a door we should open


So segregation it is. Which has all kinds negative associations with it - and of course the practical aspect that the anti-vax reservation/camp will suffer many fatalities.
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Postby Gim » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:38 am

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San Lumen wrote:No but forced medical care is not a door we should open


So segregation it is. Which has all kinds negative associations with it - and of course the practical aspect that the anti-vax reservation/camp will suffer many fatalities.


Forced? I bet it's better than Trumpcare.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
The alternative is segragating anti-vaxxers from the general population. Is that better ?

No but forced medical care is not a door we should open

Anti-Vaxxers by proxy kill people. Forcefully vaccinate them or segregate them.

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Postby Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:38 am

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San Lumen wrote:No but forced medical care is not a door we should open


So segregation it is. Which has all kinds negative associations with it - and of course the practical aspect that the anti-vax reservation/camp will suffer many fatalities.

If no forced medical care, then GULAG it is.
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Postby Gim » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:39 am

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San Lumen wrote:No but forced medical care is not a door we should open

Anti-Vaxxers by proxy kill people. Forcefully vaccinate them or segregate them.


Well, it depends on the circumstances, because vaccine itself is a virus, albeit attenuated.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:41 am

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The Alma Mater wrote:
So segregation it is. Which has all kinds negative associations with it - and of course the practical aspect that the anti-vax reservation/camp will suffer many fatalities.

If no forced medical care, then GULAG it is.


You have every right to purposefully change yourself into a vector of disease - but not in my backyard.
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Postby Gim » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:42 am

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Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:If no forced medical care, then GULAG it is.


You have every right to purposefully change yourself into a vector of disease - but not in my backyard.


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Postby Aeritai » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:34 pm

Heloin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No but forced medical care is not a door we should open

Anti-Vaxxers by proxy kill people. Forcefully vaccinate them or segregate them.


Or better yet vaccinate their kids and fine them for child endangerment.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:38 pm

Yeah, so, antivaxers are pretty consistent about being huge public safety threats? Unsurprising. All the more reason to exclude them from the public forum.

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Postby Galloism » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:43 pm

It’s interesting to note there appear to be large gender effects to this movement.

The OP mentioned a group of women in the incident in question, but it’s even true more generally:

https://www.sciencealert.com/anti-vaxxe ... y-theories

The pages analysed were Fans of the AVN, Dr. Tenpenny on Vaccines, Great Mothers (and Others) Questioning Vaccines, No Vaccines Australia, Age of Autism, and Rage Against the Vaccines.

In total, these pages had 231,491 Likes at the time the study was carried out (December 2015).

By scraping three years' worth of data, the researchers found that most of the page followers had only liked posts once or twice – the vast majority of the online activity was generated by a smaller group of people. Commenting activity also suggested most users were transient or just occasionally passing through the pages.

Using first names as a rough guide to gender, the study found an average of a 1:3 male to female ratio in terms of users following these pages. In terms of the most active users, men were even more outnumbered.

Meanwhile, using a maths modelling approach known as the Latent Dirichlet allocation, the researchers also picked out the most common topics on these boards: activism, governance, media and censorship, and vaccination as genocide all scored highly.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:45 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Let’s not. Forcing medical treatment is a very dangerous path to go down


The alternative is segragating anti-vaxxers from the general population. Is that better ?

I mean, we could say the same about traveling internationally. Either travel internationally, or be allowed in with the domestic population, but not both.

You don’t get to be a vector of disease from other countries for me.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:46 pm

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Xmara wrote:I'm thankful that I live in a state that does not allow for religious or philosophical exemptions to vaccines (it's very difficult to get a vaccine exemption here in WV). But if I didn't, I would be very worried for some of my family members. My dad has Addison's disease and COPD, one of my cousins was born with a congenital heart defect and has only one functioning lung, and one of my aunts has too many medical conditions for me to list. To you it might just be the flu, but to them it could mean much, much worse.

So when you get vaccinated, don't just do it for yourself. Do it for people like my dad, my cousin, and my aunt.

What kind of religion is anti-vax?
Anti-vaxxism I guess?


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Postby Galloism » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:46 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:What kind of religion is anti-vax?
Anti-vaxxism I guess?


Cults like JW's I believe.

Nope. JWs are not against vaccines.

I believe Christian Scientists are though.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:47 pm

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The Alma Mater wrote:
The alternative is segragating anti-vaxxers from the general population. Is that better ?

I mean, we could say the same about traveling internationally. Either travel internationally, or be allowed in with the domestic population, but not both.

You don’t get to be a vector of disease from other countries for me.


I'd say that's more the responsibility of the receiving country to vet who does and doesn't come to their country.
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Postby That one gay guy » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:49 pm

Spreading lies is covered by the first amendment. But spreading disease isn't
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Postby Galloism » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:53 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, we could say the same about traveling internationally. Either travel internationally, or be allowed in with the domestic population, but not both.

You don’t get to be a vector of disease from other countries for me.


I'd say that's more the responsibility of the receiving country to vet who does and doesn't come to their country.

Doubtful that we would forcibly segregate all international travelers for the same reason we don’t segregate unvaccinated people.

Besides, in practical terms, we’re not all that concerned about unvaccinated people for health risk to the general population as a priori, and I can prove it.
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Postby Xmara » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:55 pm

Galloism wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Cults like JW's I believe.

Nope. JWs are not against vaccines.

I believe Christian Scientists are though.

They are, along with pretty much every form of modern medicine.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:57 pm

Xmara wrote:
Galloism wrote:Nope. JWs are not against vaccines.

I believe Christian Scientists are though.

They are, along with pretty much every form of modern medicine.

Also, they are very ironically named.
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Postby That one gay guy » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:00 pm

Galloism wrote:
Xmara wrote:They are, along with pretty much every form of modern medicine.

Also, they are very ironically named.

My ex boyfriend's family were christian scientist. He was estranged from them

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Postby Novus America » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:27 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Let’s not. Forcing medical treatment is a very dangerous path to go down


The alternative is segragating anti-vaxxers from the general population. Is that better ?


Well we do not have to force it per se. Not jail people or hold them down while we stick them. We we can and should do is make it a requirement to use certain government services, benefits and privileges.

We already mandate them to attend public schools and to get a green card. We should also mandate them to get a driver’s license, any ID legal to used for air travel or other interstate transportation, to get a passport, to work any government job, to use polling places. Require the transportation, hotel, food service and retail industries to require their employees who deal with the public be vaccinated. Things like that.

And eliminate non health related exemptions.

That way if the real loons want to avoid vaccines fine, but we have limited their ability to spread their diseases.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Totenborg wrote:Forcibly vaccinate them, the tell them to fuck off.

Let’s not. Forcing medical treatment is a very dangerous path to go down


Hmmm? For a highly contagious and yet preventable disease.....How?
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Postby Galloism » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:32 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Let’s not. Forcing medical treatment is a very dangerous path to go down


Hmmm? For a highly contagious and yet preventable disease.....How?

I don’t think you really fear any particular unvaccinated individual, and I know how to test it.
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