Anti-Vaxxers Take Online Harassments To Real World

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

At what point does anti-vaccination stop being a stupid decision that people should still be allowed to make because America's not an Orwellian dictatorship and start being a deliberate attempt to spread misinformation and disease that should be treated as such?

[Gormwood]

At what point does anti-vaccination stop being a stupid decision that people should still be allowed to make because America's not an Orwellian dictatorship and start being a deliberate attempt to spread misinformation and disease that should be treated as such?

Probably when zombie viruses are real and easily immunized against.

[Aeritai]

Meh, if they don't wanna get vaccinated, it's their thing. They may be spreading a disease, but ultimately doing so is their right. As far as I'm concerned, this is just another step into liberal nonsense, and doesn't warrant any more attention than other liberal nonsense.

>liberal nonsense

Bruh

Anti Vaxxers are not just from one political wing. They are from diverse political extremists.

Also calling them ""liberal nonsense"" conveniently ignores this tweet

Troublesome that the President tweeted that...

[Gormwood]

Probably when zombie viruses are real and easily immunized against.

Even then they'll scream "MY BODY MY CHOICE MY FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS!"
This is why I don't believe in bodily autonomy because it's a dangerous slippery slope that ultimately outweighs science if it's a right so like hell if I will ever let anti-vaxxers control their bodies.

Bodily autonomy has to exist to some extent, otherwise some douchecanoe will use this as an excuse to outlaw abortion. Of course the difference being a woman choosing to abort isn't going to cause a measles epidemic to erupt.

[Galloism]

Even then they'll scream "MY BODY MY CHOICE MY FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS!"
This is why I don't believe in bodily autonomy because it's a dangerous slippery slope that ultimately outweighs science if it's a right so like hell if I will ever let anti-vaxxers control their bodies.

Bodily autonomy has to exist to some extent, otherwise some douchecanoe will use this as an excuse to outlaw abortion.

Bingo.

Of course the difference being a woman choosing to abort isn't going to cause a measles epidemic to erupt.

Notably, a single person choosing not to vaccinate doesn’t either. It’s only when many do.

Odds wise, making the assumption the fetus is a person as Alabama did, an abortion is far far more likely than an unvaccinated person to kill someone.

If you have 100,000 abortions and 100,000 unvaccinated, the former causes 100,000 deaths, the latter 1-2.


Bodily autonomy is an important principle - freedom is generally more important than safety.

[Galloism]

Bingo.


Notably, a single person choosing not to vaccinate doesn’t either. It’s only when many do.

Odds wise, making the assumption the fetus is a person as Alabama did, an abortion is far far more likely than an unvaccinated person to kill someone.

If you have 100,000 abortions and 100,000 unvaccinated, the former causes 100,000 deaths, the latter 1-2.


Bodily autonomy is an important principle - freedom is generally more important than safety.

We're not on the same side Gallo I hope you know that.

I know. I’m the good guy.

[Galloism]

I know. I’m the good guy.

That's what the villain says.

Mr. Vader.

Daily reminder The Empire were the good guys.

[Salus Maior]

Bodily autonomy has to exist to some extent, otherwise some douchecanoe will use this as an excuse to outlaw abortion.

Sup.

[Galloism]

Daily reminder The Empire were the good guys.

They were literally made genocidal maniacs in lore.

Read the link. It’s good for a laugh.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Really, most of these diseases kill fewer people than vending machines at our current vaccination levels. All of them combined kill fewer people than furniture.

Overall sure. But not in specific place like Samoa or certain ultra Orthodox Jewish communities in New York.
In my example the deaths might be low overall, but are going to be a higher percentage of E’s population.

The problem is a localized problem but still a problem in those localities.

And if we do not nip the problem in the bud, stop it from spreading it WILL become a more general one.

No it won't.

Vaccinated.

So Group E will suffer a 65% infant mortality rate while the rest of the world prospers and eventually re-populates sector-E with a hardier breed of society.

[Galloism]

Overall sure. But not in specific place like Samoa or certain ultra Orthodox Jewish communities in New York.
In my example the deaths might be low overall, but are going to be a higher percentage of E’s population.

The problem is a localized problem but still a problem in those localities.

And if we do not nip the problem in the bud, stop it from spreading it WILL become a more general one.

No it won't.

Vaccinated.

So Group E will suffer a 65% infant mortality rate while the rest of the world prospers and eventually re-populates sector-E with a hardier breed of society.

Even in the Middle Ages it’s estimated to be 30-50.

US in 1900 was 16.5.

[Republic of Turbin]

I love my school because they literally don't do anything when there are countless school shootings and there is a nationwide movement on climate change but as soon as new york bans unvaccinated kids from going to school they make us have a 6-12 mandatory school chapel. They told us in the most basic terms that they did it because they didn't want to lose unvaccinated kids in the school. Which in reality is that they are just upset they aren't gonna be making money from the antivaxx parents.
(they also wanted us to ditch school to take part in the protest but not for the climate strike or march for our lives)

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I have a rather serious problem with vaccinating adults against their will.

Then when does it become okay? Do we have to literally be staring down the barrel of another Black Death or Spanish Flu gun?

[Galloism]

I have a rather serious problem with vaccinating adults against their will.

Then when does it become okay? Do we have to literally be staring down the barrel of another Black Death or Spanish Flu gun?

The circumstances must be so extreme humanity itself is at risk before I will begrudgingly accept forcing medical procedures on people against their will is a reasonable response.

Our ethics are not a suicide pact, but basically, imagine the scenario where humanity is so at risk we would actually force pregnancy on people to save humanity.

That’s how dire it must be to force medical procedures on people.

[San Lumen]

I have a rather serious problem with vaccinating adults against their will.

Then when does it become okay? Do we have to literally be staring down the barrel of another Black Death or Spanish Flu gun?

Forced medical care is a very dangerous door to open.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The circumstances must be so extreme humanity itself is at risk before I will begrudgingly accept forcing medical procedures on people against their will is a reasonable response.

Why should we have to let it get to that point though? Vaccines are a preventative measure and to allow enough people to skirt and avoid that preventative measure is to practically invite the next plague.

Our ethics are not a suicide pact, but basically, imagine the scenario where humanity is so at risk we would actually force pregnancy on people to save humanity.

Ethics also aren’t a zero-sum game, sometimes compromises are necessary, you don’t need to literally be the next Hitler or Stalin to be for mandatory vaccination, you also don’t need to have your entire values on freedom entirely compromised to be for mandatory vaccination either. I’m also not getting into a pro-choice gotcha, sorry.

That’s how dire it must be to force medical procedures on people.

We aren’t advocating for mandatory surgeries or anything like that here. Nobody is being held down and having an organ removed.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Then when does it become okay? Do we have to literally be staring down the barrel of another Black Death or Spanish Flu gun?

Forced medical care is a very dangerous door to open.

That door was opened long ago. I don’t see you advocating for the end of mandatory 72 hour psyche holds or anything.

[Byzconia]

Probably when zombie viruses are real and easily immunized against.

Even then they'll scream "MY BODY MY CHOICE MY FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS!"
This is why I don't believe in bodily autonomy because it's a dangerous slippery slope that ultimately outweighs science if it's a right so like hell if I will ever let anti-vaxxers control their bodies.

Uh, no, bodily autonomy is good. The issue I take is anti-vaxxers preventing their children from getting vaccines. Even without vaccines, a healthy adult's body has the ability to fight off disease much better than a child's. Most of my vaccines are expired and I haven't gotten then done again (not because I'm opposed to vaccines, mind, but simply because none of those diseases is enough of a threat to warrant it). I literally can't tell you the last time I was sick with anything other than sinusitis (which I get often, but there's not a vaccine for that, unfortunately). Of course, herd immunity also plays a role, but I digress. My point is: I'm fine with adults choosing to not get vaccinated (so long as they supplement it with a "relatively" healthy lifestyle and try to mitigate their capacity to spread disease if they do get sick--which most of these morons probably won't do, but again I'm digressing), but not them making that decision on behalf of their children.

[Galloism]

The circumstances must be so extreme humanity itself is at risk before I will begrudgingly accept forcing medical procedures on people against their will is a reasonable response.

Why should we have to let it get to that point though? Vaccines are a preventative measure and to allow enough people to skirt and avoid that preventative measure is to practically invite the next plague.

I mean, you’re arguing we should tie hundreds of thousands of people down and forcibly invade their bodies now to stave off a future that will most likely never happen.

Education has always been sufficient in this regard. Our herd immunity is in tact even if a few can’t or won’t get the vaccine.

Our ethics are not a suicide pact, but basically, imagine the scenario where humanity is so at risk we would actually force pregnancy on people to save humanity.

Ethics also aren’t a zero-sum game, sometimes compromises are necessary, you don’t need to literally be the next Hitler or Stalin to be for mandatory vaccination, you also don’t need to have your entire values on freedom entirely compromised to be for mandatory vaccination either. I’m also not getting into a pro-choice gotcha, sorry.

But forcing medical procedures on people is a big red line. Many governments (including Hitler’s and Stalin’s, for the record) forced medical procedures on the unwilling for the good of society. Hell, even in the US we have an uncomfortable history of forced sterilization “for the good of society.”

The pro-choice thing isn’t really a gotcha. It is a big red line - we are willing to accept the deaths of millions to maintain the bodily autonomy of millions. No born or unborn human has a right to force you to undergo medical procedures against your will - even if it means their death.

Here, the scales are tipped even further than in that debate, as the risk of each person unvaccinated is so much lower than in the typical pro-choice debate. If we are going to hold the line on bodily autonomy, we need to hold the line - not throw it away all Willy nilly.

That’s how dire it must be to force medical procedures on people.

We aren’t advocating for mandatory surgeries or anything like that here. Nobody is being held down and having an organ removed.

No, just forcibly arrested, dragged into a medical facility, strapped down, and stabbed against their will. Because they didn’t want a medical procedure.

[San Lumen]

Why should we have to let it get to that point though? Vaccines are a preventative measure and to allow enough people to skirt and avoid that preventative measure is to practically invite the next plague.

I mean, you’re arguing we should tie hundreds of thousands of people down and forcibly invade their bodies now to stave off a future that will most likely never happen.

Education has always been sufficient in this regard. Our herd immunity is in tact even if a few can’t or won’t get the vaccine.

Ethics also aren’t a zero-sum game, sometimes compromises are necessary, you don’t need to literally be the next Hitler or Stalin to be for mandatory vaccination, you also don’t need to have your entire values on freedom entirely compromised to be for mandatory vaccination either. I’m also not getting into a pro-choice gotcha, sorry.

But forcing medical procedures on people is a big red line. Many governments (including Hitler’s and Stalin’s, for the record) forced medical procedures on the unwilling for the good of society. Hell, even in the US we have an uncomfortable history of forced sterilization “for the good of society.”

The pro-choice thing isn’t really a gotcha. It is a big red line - we are willing to accept the deaths of millions to maintain the bodily autonomy of millions. No born or unborn human has a right to force you to undergo medical procedures against your will - even if it means their death.

Here, the scales are tipped even further than in that debate, as the risk of each person unvaccinated is so much lower than in the typical pro-choice debate. If we are going to hold the line on bodily autonomy, we need to hold the line - not throw it away all Willy nilly.

We aren’t advocating for mandatory surgeries or anything like that here. Nobody is being held down and having an organ removed.

No, just forcibly arrested, dragged into a medical facility, strapped down, and stabbed against their will. Because they didn’t want a medical procedure.

Your last point is a very dangerous door to open that once you do cannot be closed. Therefore we shouldn't do it.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I mean, you’re arguing we should tie hundreds of thousands of people down and forcibly invade their bodies now to stave off a future that will most likely never happen.

Education has always been sufficient in this regard. Our herd immunity is in tact even if a few can’t or won’t get the vaccine.



But forcing medical procedures on people is a big red line. Many governments (including Hitler’s and Stalin’s, for the record) forced medical procedures on the unwilling for the good of society. Hell, even in the US we have an uncomfortable history of forced sterilization “for the good of society.”

The pro-choice thing isn’t really a gotcha. It is a big red line - we are willing to accept the deaths of millions to maintain the bodily autonomy of millions. No born or unborn human has a right to force you to undergo medical procedures against your will - even if it means their death.

Here, the scales are tipped even further than in that debate, as the risk of each person unvaccinated is so much lower than in the typical pro-choice debate. If we are going to hold the line on bodily autonomy, we need to hold the line - not throw it away all Willy nilly.



No, just forcibly arrested, dragged into a medical facility, strapped down, and stabbed against their will. Because they didn’t want a medical procedure.

Your last point is a very dangerous door to open that once you do cannot be closed. Therefore we shouldn't do it.

We literally already do that.

[Bear Stearns]

Don't give any vaccines and let the fittest survive. It'll solve our environmental crisis pretty quickly.

[San Lumen]

Your last point is a very dangerous door to open that once you do cannot be closed. Therefore we shouldn't do it.

We literally already do that.

No we don't

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

We literally already do that.

No we don't

Mandatory 72 hour psyche holds. You are forcibly arrested, dragged into a health facility, and forced into treatment. This happens everyday in all 50 states.

[Byzconia]

That's what the villain says.

Mr. Vader.

Daily reminder The Empire were the good guys.

Sorry, don't want to take the thread off track or anything, but I just had to comment on something I read in there.

Make no mistake, as emperor, Palpatine is a dictator--but a relatively benign one, like Pinochet. It's a dictatorship people can do business with.

Holy shit that's fucked up. "Yep, mass torture and murder of tens of thousands of people, totally benign."