Ifreann wrote:Satuga wrote:It still takes longer for SWAT to arrive than it takes Police officer, so yes it still takes time which is why the saying "Officers are minutes away where seconds count" exists. Even then a 10 minute response time is still better than a 20 minute response time.
And why do you imagine this is? Do you think that there is just some inherent property of SWAT teams that they cannot possibly respond quickly? No, of course not. You can obviously get better response times by having more teams operating out of more locations, or having SWAT patrols.
This feels like a very black and white argument, you make it seem like police are another species or some shit, they are people with their own thought processes, their own actions, and own self worth.
The police aren't another species. The police are an institution.
Was this particular situation not great, yes. Will this type of situation always end the same? No, likely never. Disarming all police because of the actions of some is fucking ridiculous. What would be a better thing to do would be to increase the amount of training, or even revise the training they get. Disarmament will do nothing but help the criminals.
Help the criminals not get shot. Which I am fine with, shooting criminals is bad and should be avoided wherever possible.
What should happen is the moment such a situation is initiated (the pursuit for instance), sharpshooter teams or highly trained response teams should mirror the pursuit. Time should be given for the suspects to surrender, after which if negotiations and all other reasonable options fail, they should be terminated by the response units or sharpshooters. The only excuse the cops would have here is if they responded proportionally to the gunfire of the suspects, which they clearly did not.
As for you saying that avoiding the criminals being shot is a priority, yes and no. Of course life should be preserved nominally, but sometimes you're faced with a situation where you must neutralize the threat quickly. The way the cops went about neutralizing that threat was fucking stupid, sure, but that doesn't put the criminals in the right.
As an example of why I don't support disarmament of cops, look at the mass shooting in Ohio. That piece of shit gunman almost got inside of the bar if it weren't for
the four cops who put him down like the rabid dog he was literally just a second or two from him getting inside the bar, where he would have unleashed a bloodbath comparable to the Orlando massacre.