Which Turkey Was The Best ?

[SD_Film Artists]

> Byzantine Empire has the majority

I'm so proud of this community

Here here!

[Mushet]

Butterball.

[Negarakita]

You have to go for the Seljuq like seriously they were just great. Maybe the qaraqoyunlar as well if we would count them.

[Nakena]

You have to go for the Seljuq like seriously they were just great. Maybe the qaraqoyunlar as well if we would count them.

Wrong. The Black Sheep did suck.

Ak Koyunlu stronk. Power to the White Sheep!

Ak ak ak!

[Teachian]

This feels split between “Best Turkey” and “Best Asia Minor” at this rate. I mean, why even have people rate Turkey when there are multiple non-Turkish options?

That being said, I thought the Ottoman Empire was pretty interesting. But as for the life of an average citizen, no glorious empire of the past beats a developed, secular, and democratic government.

[Negarakita]

You have to go for the Seljuq like seriously they were just great. Maybe the qaraqoyunlar as well if we would count them.

Wrong. The Black Sheep did suck.

Ak Koyunlu stronk. Power to the White Sheep!

Ak ak ak!

Bad take

Anyway I'm revising my vote to the land briefly held by Baba Ishak during his revolt

[Rojava Free State]

Anatolia under Alexander the great's hellenic empire

[The Two Jerseys]

Sandwich with lots of mayo.

[Pasong Tirad]

Sevres Turkey. With some modifications respecting geographic boundaries and possibly traditional (ethnic & religious) boundaries to respect the desire of self-determination of many peoples living in Anatolia/Asia Minor.

[Ard al Islam]

Ottoman Empire, which was just the last good nation. It was the best sovereign state in the world when it was alive, and after its fall, there has not been a single good sovereign state. That's a fact!

[Rojava Free State]

Ottoman Empire, which was just the last good nation. It was the best sovereign state in the world when it was alive, and after its fall, there has not been a single good sovereign state. That's a fact!

Sick man of Europe much?

[Vistulange]

Ottoman Empire, which was just the last good nation.

Except, it was practically the antithesis of a "nation", like pretty much every other multi-national empire.

It was the best sovereign state in the world when it was alive

When, exactly? The Ottoman state lasted for about six centuries. That's a long time. Mind fleshing out some details?

and after its fall, there has not been a single good sovereign state. That's a fact!

Facts are things that are generally not disputable. The Ottoman Empire being the "last good sovereign state" is disputable. Therefore, your assertion is not a fact.

Sevres Turkey. With some modifications respecting geographic boundaries and possibly traditional (ethnic & religious) boundaries to respect the desire of self-determination of many peoples living in Anatolia/Asia Minor.

Probably a good time to mention here that the Treaty of Sevres was stillborn. The Allied occupation force had for all intents and purposes, along with the Sultan, dissolved the Parliament. The Treaty could not be ratified, and to my knowledge, the Sultan did try and establish some sort of smaller committee that'd serve the purpose, but nobody bought it. By the time it mattered, the National Parliament in Ankara had de facto taken over business, and that didn't ratify the treaty, either.

So, you're stuck with Lausanne, I'm afraid.

What is it with this site and a fetish for dismembering Turkey every which way? I also love the assumption that Sevres wasn't repeating any of the mistakes of Sykes-Picot, with the overarching assumption that since Turks genocided Armenians in 1915, surely they were also not the majority in anywhere in Anatolia either, deserving to have their lands be partitioned and divided amongst other states. The influx of Muslims into Anatolia was precipitated by the long century that was the 19th century, where the constant loss of land in the Balkans created an exodus of Muslims to Anatolia as they were largely unwanted in the newly formed nation-states.

Of course, the distinction between "Turk" and "Muslim" gets blurry, with the Ottoman Empire never really having a working conceptualisation of "Turkish". You were either a Muslim, or some other confession that was classified as such. "Turk" only became a thing in 1923 when the new nation-state founded itself upon a foundation of national identity and citizenship. Prior to that, it was mostly an insult used by the Ottomans to refer to mountain nomads in the Taurus Mountains who could not be settled down and taxed by the central administration.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Sevres Turkey. With some modifications respecting geographic boundaries and possibly traditional (ethnic & religious) boundaries to respect the desire of self-determination of many peoples living in Anatolia/Asia Minor.

The Treaty of Sevres is just a rag.

[North German Realm]

I'm undecided between Achaemenid Empire and Latin Empire. Apart from the Byzantine Empire, neither is even "Good", much less "best", and the Byzantine Empire I hate on principle.

[The Blaatschapen]

Dustin the Turkey, obviously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dustin_the_Turkey

[The Archregimancy]

The thread should be called Best Anatolia? or Best Asia Minor since those are the geographical terms for the place. If the thread were about specifically ethnic Turks, the Poll would need to include Khazars, Hephthalites, Uzbeks etc.

I'm pleased that someone has already made this pedantic point for me.

Also, this thread needs more Luwians.

[Arachkya]

Byzantine Empire

It just needed Gay rights and a union with the Holy See for perfection.

[Saranidia]

Suleiman the Magnificent’s Ottoman Empire

[Sarcasmasia]

Suleiman the Magnificent’s Ottoman Empire

I'm just gonna step in RIGHT THERE and say -no-

[Saranidia]

Suleiman the Magnificent’s Ottoman Empire

I'm just gonna step in RIGHT THERE and say -no-

He promoted the teaching of medicine, law and Islamic theology,
Had no issue with inter-racial marriage and Turkey was a powerful, proud, Islamic country that bowed to no one.

He modernised whilst keeping the spirit of Islam.

He was also a multi-culturalist.

Why no? Bc of slavery?

[Saranidia]

Ottoman Empire, which was just the last good nation. It was the best sovereign state in the world when it was alive, and after its fall, there has not been a single good sovereign state. That's a fact!

Sick man of Europe much?

Not under Suleiman

[Sarcasmasia]

I'm just gonna step in RIGHT THERE and say -no-

He promoted the teaching of medicine, law and Islamic theology,
Had no issue with inter-racial marriage and Turkey was a powerful, proud, Islamic country that bowed to no one.

He modernised whilst keeping the spirit of Islam.

He was also a multi-culturalist.

Why no? Bc of slavery?

I mean, I'm not denying the Ottoman Empire under Suleiman was good for its time, but I think it's fair to say there are still better iterations of Turkey. *cough cough* love you ataturk *cough cough*

[Nakena]

I'm just gonna step in RIGHT THERE and say -no-

He promoted the teaching of medicine, law and Islamic theology,
Had no issue with inter-racial marriage and Turkey was a powerful, proud, Islamic country that bowed to no one.

He modernised whilst keeping the spirit of Islam.

He was also a multi-culturalist.

Why no? Bc of slavery?

Nah thats bad. Turkey should return to Tengri and the old Gods of War.

[A m e n r i a]

Ottoman, obviously. Kemal turned Turkey into secular crazies who allow all sorts of sin happen. A good government would care about its people's wellbeing, both in this life and the afterlife.

He promoted the teaching of medicine, law and Islamic theology,
Had no issue with inter-racial marriage and Turkey was a powerful, proud, Islamic country that bowed to no one.

He modernised whilst keeping the spirit of Islam.

He was also a multi-culturalist.

Why no? Bc of slavery?

Nah thats bad. Turkey should return to Tengri and the old Gods of War.

What about no.

[Saranidia]

He promoted the teaching of medicine, law and Islamic theology,
Had no issue with inter-racial marriage and Turkey was a powerful, proud, Islamic country that bowed to no one.

He modernised whilst keeping the spirit of Islam.

He was also a multi-culturalist.

Why no? Bc of slavery?

I mean, I'm not denying the Ottoman Empire under Suleiman was good for its time, but I think it's fair to say there are still better iterations of Turkey. *cough cough* love you ataturk *cough cough*

I see what you mean but whilst Ataturk was a war hero and so I admire him he was too secular for my taste.