Is it time for the US to split up?

[Luziyca]

If the USA split up right now, we'd be megafucked, because according to this list, the United States is by far our largest trading partner. If we measure trade with the next largest, the EU, is 5.3 times smaller than that of the United States, and if we exclude the EU, then trade with China is 7.9 times smaller than that of the trade between Canada and the USA.

While sure, a weaker USA would definitely force Canada to find other trade partners, it would fuck us over in the short-term. It'd be much more preferable for Canada to start increasing trade with the EU and China now so when the USA inevitably shits the bed, and either falls into civil war, or splits up, or whatever, Canada won't be as fucked as it'd otherwise be.

And that's not getting into the ramifications for the ordinary people in the States over such a scenario.

I would try to emigrate if we fell into civil war. I would try to go to Canada, and I wouldn't be the only one. You'll have a refugee crisis.

Definitely. And combined with the likely economic collapse on a global scale (plus the loss of our largest trading partner), and the political ramifications of a dissolved USA or a USA that falls into civil war...

While the USA not being as influential would be a good thing for Canada, I feel that the only way may be for Canada to take the initiative in reducing American influence on itself, and that if the USA suddenly split up or fell into civil war, we'd definitely be fucked.

[Samadhi]

It's time for the government to be disbanded.

But it's always time for that.

[Necroghastia]

What's with so many people thinking or saying the US is going/should split up?

In a lot of the cases I've seen, especially on the right-wing side of things, it seems to be something of a power fantasy and/or romanticism of the CSA.

It's time for the government to be disbanded.

But it's always time for that.

How about no, it's rather nice to have something to protect the rights of the people.

[Nuroblav]

I don't think that will be happening. Speaking as a non-American, I don't really see the point in splitting.

We probably aren't going to split, but we do have a really bad partisan divide that isn't going to end well.

Yeah that makes sense.

You have something against Canada?

Who doesn't?

A lot of people. You are in fact the first person I've heard of to not like Canada

No, screw that. Nation over state. America is one of, if not the best, empire ever

Are you really sure?

Although tbh there aren't many good empires...

[Satuga]

What's with so many people thinking or saying the US is going/should split up?

In a lot of the cases I've seen, especially on the right-wing side of things, it seems to be something of a power fantasy and/or romanticism of the CSA.

Sorry but what does CSA stand for exactly? Also I've seen it in both sides, hell California even declared they would at some point(which obviously didn't go through) Iv'e had my predictions on what would happen, but I never wish or even think it actually is because realistically it would fuck up the entire world and therefore be a thing literally everyone aside from China and maybe Russia would try to stop.

[Luziyca]

What's with so many people thinking or saying the US is going/should split up?

In a lot of the cases I've seen, especially on the right-wing side of things, it seems to be something of a power fantasy and/or romanticism of the CSA.

It's time for the government to be disbanded.

But it's always time for that.

How about no, it's rather nice to have something to protect the rights of the people.

As if the current American government's doing a good job at that.

While I do feel the best solution to the situation with American politics may be to just start anew with a new constitution, new policies, new America, with the political climate making Love Canal, Times Beach, or the inside of Chernobyl look downright habitable, that would probably only add more gas to that particular fire.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

In a lot of the cases I've seen, especially on the right-wing side of things, it seems to be something of a power fantasy and/or romanticism of the CSA.

Sorry but what does CSA stand for exactly? Also I've seen it in both sides, hell California even declared they would at some point(which obviously didn't go through) Iv'e had my predictions on what would happen, but I never wish or even think it actually is because realistically it would fuck up the entire world and therefore be a thing literally everyone aside from China and maybe Russia would try to stop.

CSA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confede ... of_America

[Necroghastia]

In a lot of the cases I've seen, especially on the right-wing side of things, it seems to be something of a power fantasy and/or romanticism of the CSA.

Sorry but what does CSA stand for exactly? Also I've seen it in both sides, hell California even declared they would at some point(which obviously didn't go through) Iv'e had my predictions on what would happen, but I never wish or even think it actually is because realistically it would fuck up the entire world and therefore be a thing literally everyone aside from China and maybe Russia would try to stop.

The Confederate States of America, aka the South during the Civil War. Also source on the California thing? Just outta curiosity.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Sure why not, I claim the east coast, give it to me ill be a good ruler promise.

[Major-Tom]

Nope.

[Satuga]

Sorry but what does CSA stand for exactly? Also I've seen it in both sides, hell California even declared they would at some point(which obviously didn't go through) Iv'e had my predictions on what would happen, but I never wish or even think it actually is because realistically it would fuck up the entire world and therefore be a thing literally everyone aside from China and maybe Russia would try to stop.

The Confederate States of America, aka the South during the Civil War. Also source on the California thing? Just outta curiosity.

Ah duh, for some reason I was thinking it was Communist something of America lol, also here https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-plan-to-divorce-california-from-us-is-getting-a-second-chance.html

[LiberNovusAmericae]

In a lot of the cases I've seen, especially on the right-wing side of things, it seems to be something of a power fantasy and/or romanticism of the CSA.

How about no, it's rather nice to have something to protect the rights of the people.

As if the current American government's doing a good job at that.

While I do feel the best solution to the situation with American politics may be to just start anew with a new constitution, new policies, new America, with the political climate making Love Canal, Times Beach, or the inside of Chernobyl look downright habitable, that would probably only add more gas to that particular fire.

We don't need a new constitution. We need a new party system and to get rid of our current duopoly. I also think we should become more isolationist as opposed to interventionist.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The Confederate States of America, aka the South during the Civil War. Also source on the California thing? Just outta curiosity.

Ah duh, for some reason I was thinking it was Communist something of America lol, also here https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-plan-to-divorce-california-from-us-is-getting-a-second-chance.html

Texas will probably leave before that happens.

[Ieskarios]

Unless you don't care about the huge power vacuum left by the collapse of the US, then sure why not.

But seriously no, the US should not be split up. There is absolutely no benefit to splitting it up apart from making those who hate the federal government happy, but it would be bad for the rest of us.

[Necroghastia]

In a lot of the cases I've seen, especially on the right-wing side of things, it seems to be something of a power fantasy and/or romanticism of the CSA.

How about no, it's rather nice to have something to protect the rights of the people.

As if the current American government's doing a good job at that.

Fair, but certain states would still be far worse off on their own as opposed to having the constraints of the Constitution, Supreme Court, etc. and hopefully once this nightmare of a regime is finished we can get back to a functional system.

[Satuga]

Texas will probably leave before that happens.

What's funny is that Texas can actually legally secede from the US so if things go to shit they'll probably secede to get away from it.

[San Lumen]

No. Who would it benefit and for what purpose? Russia would love the breakup of the USA. I don’t see what we’d break it up into. Few states could survive on their own as independent nations. It’s also not possible as states don’t have the right to succeed from the union unilaterally

[Cantelo]

Texas will probably leave before that happens.

What's funny is that Texas can actually legally secede from the US so if things go to shit they'll probably secede to get away from it.

Well yes, but actually no.

Their constitution has a clause for secession IIRC but the federal government would overrule that faster than you could say “states’ rights”

[Satuga]

What's funny is that Texas can actually legally secede from the US so if things go to shit they'll probably secede to get away from it.

Well yes, but actually no.

Their constitution has a clause for secession IIRC but the federal government would overrule that faster than you could say “states’ rights”

True, but still 'technically' legal.

[Kirina]

No, nor will it ever be. EVER.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

No, nor will it ever be. EVER.

It will. One day.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Do you realize the absolute power vacuum that would cause? China and Russia would take this as their chance to make claims on either the broken up US, or other smaller countries. They would basically be allowed to do whatever the hell they want. Not to mention a split up would cause nothing but death, as the split would most definitely be between the two political systems which would then most definitely go to war with one another causing a 2nd civil war, and we know how many people died in the 1st one. So no not a good idea. What's with so many people thinking or saying the US is going/should split up?

What, is China going to invade Louisiana?

[Ard al Islam]

We probably aren't going to split, but we do have a really bad partisan divide that isn't going to end well.

Yeah that makes sense.

Who doesn't?

A lot of people. You are in fact the first person I've heard of to not like Canada :)

No, screw that. Nation over state. America is one of, if not the best, empire ever

Are you really sure?

Although tbh there aren't many good empires...

Maybe you can read the rest of what I said before you question it?

I mean in terms of a certain thing; for instance, America isn't the best empire morally. But America is the best in terms of other things;

Size: America, if you include all of its territories(Territories, Possessions, the Moon), is nearly 48 million square kilometers, which is 13 million more than the British Empire, the de jure largest-ever sovereign state. Nope, that's America.

Power: If you compare every nation today, America is the strongest. If you compare every nation ever of all time, America would still be the most powerful.

Economy: Same as above, but for the economy.

Power Projection: America controls the world with its navy.

Democracy: America was the symbol of democracy and resistance to the tyranny of Europe.

These are all great points that America is the greatest ever empire. However, that's only 5 categories. America isn't the best in all, just in these 5.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Size: America, if you include all of its territories(Territories, Possessions, the Moon), is nearly 48 million square kilometers, which is 13 million more than the British Empire, the de jure largest-ever sovereign state. Nope, that's America.

LMAO no the US does not own the moon

Power: If you compare every nation today, America is the strongest. If you compare every nation ever of all time, America would still be the most powerful.

"ever of all time" Obviously not, because you're only including the past and present.

Economy: Same as above, but for the economy.

Same as before.

Power Projection: America controls the world with its navy.

America controls the world?

Democracy: America was the symbol of democracy and resistance to the tyranny of Europe.

what tyranny? the tyranny of not having to pay $2,500 to go to the hospital in an ambulance? yeah ok

[Satuga]

What, is China going to invade Louisiana?

Not the US itself, but what about it's allies? Israel, Japan, South Korea, or even parts of Europe? We know that if the US army vanished Europe would be incredibly vulnerable as they don't have big enough armies to defend themselves from a bigger threat like China or Russia, they've been relying on American army pressure to make sure those two countries don't try to make a move.