The Zimmerman Files..

[Cantelo]

You haven't met many Hispanics have you lol

My elementary school was filled with hispanic kids, actually. Many of them passed for white or were white. Many did not.

You're like, the equivalent of tone deaf but for race. The only thing that's white about George Zimmerman is his name, otherwise he looks like most mixed Latin Americans out there.

[Grenartia]

Zimmerman's a pretty white last name, and his skin tone is that of a tanned white guy. I know he's hispanic, but white hispanics exist.

Zimmerman is half-Hispanic, half-Jewish. Either way, he doesn't fit the archetype of the Anglo white supremacist. White Hispanics exist, but they look like white people (cuz they are):

Also, white passing exists.

And he isn't one of them.

If he isn't white, he definitely gets perceived as white, and therefore treated like it.

He's treated as white because it helps with a narrative. It has done him no benefits.

If he doesn't fit the archetype of the "anglo white supremacist", then why would that be the narrative unless there was legitimate reason to think he was sympathetic to those views?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Who gives a.. he was told by the police not to keep following and he did and ended up shooting someone, he had a reasonable cause to not carry on and didn't..

..guilty of manslaughter.

iirc didn't the evidence actually support him not following Trayvon after being told not to and then being attacked? Admittedly it's been a long time but I think you can even hear his breathing slow down after dispatch tells him not to pursue, seemingly indicating he was slowing down and stopping like he said.

[Des-Bal]

If he doesn't fit the archetype of the "anglo white supremacist", then why would that be the narrative unless there was legitimate reason to think he was sympathetic to those views?

"If this guy wasn't a witch why would we be burning him?"

[Cantelo]

Zimmerman is half-Hispanic, half-Jewish. Either way, he doesn't fit the archetype of the Anglo white supremacist. White Hispanics exist, but they look like white people (cuz they are):

And he isn't one of them.



He's treated as white because it helps with a narrative. It has done him no benefits.

If he doesn't fit the archetype of the "anglo white supremacist", then why would that be the narrative unless there was legitimate reason to think he was sympathetic to those views?

Just because he might be sympathetic doesn't mean he is white. It just shows me he's an idiot. Also, never in a thousand years would Zimzam be white-passing lol

[Grenartia]

I've seen plenty of white people IRL with the same facial features. Skin color is the primary determinant of what race you are perceived as.

Again, not really. Asians are generally pretty light skinned, they're still not white.

But, absent the stereotypical facial features, many can (and do) easily pass for white. Had a crush on a girl in middle school who was half-Filippino, and nobody knew until it just came up one day in class.

Same with light skinned mixed people, light-skinned mestizos, etc.

He looks like a mixed Latino, and to say otherwise would just be lying to oneself. Take it from an actual Hispanic; el no es blanco, Zimmerman es un mestizo.

I'm not saying he is white, just that he passes for white. There is a difference.

[Cantelo]

Again, not really. Asians are generally pretty light skinned, they're still not white.

But, absent the stereotypical facial features, many can (and do) easily pass for white. Had a crush on a girl in middle school who was half-Filippino, and nobody knew until it just came up one day in class.

Same with light skinned mixed people, light-skinned mestizos, etc.

He looks like a mixed Latino, and to say otherwise would just be lying to oneself. Take it from an actual Hispanic; el no es blanco, Zimmerman es un mestizo.

I'm not saying he is white, just that he passes for white. There is a difference.

He straight up doesn't pass for white though. There is nothing about him that would make me think he's white passing, at all.

[Grenartia]

Not at all? Look at his facial features, Zimmerman looks indio as hell. Skin color doesn't make a person white/black/asian/whatever, it's a whole lot more than that. If I had never seen him before, I'd think he was an average mestizo from Mexico or Central America.

Not to mention that Brad Pitt is playing a movie character who is mixed race and is wearing makeup to look as much.

That sounds like a claim you can prove.

[Bear Stearns]

Zimmerman is half-Hispanic, half-Jewish. Either way, he doesn't fit the archetype of the Anglo white supremacist. White Hispanics exist, but they look like white people (cuz they are):

And he isn't one of them.



He's treated as white because it helps with a narrative. It has done him no benefits.

If he doesn't fit the archetype of the "anglo white supremacist", then why would that be the narrative unless there was legitimate reason to think he was sympathetic to those views?

all of my wha- holy shit this is the most uncritical thing I've read all day

It is the narrative because certain people want to hold up George Zimmerman as an example of what all white Americans are like and make stupid indictments of American society.

And when are narratives pushed for legitimate reasons?

[Grenartia]

Again, not really. Asians are generally pretty light skinned, they're still not white. Same with light skinned mixed people, light-skinned mestizos, etc.

He looks like a mixed Latino, and to say otherwise would just be lying to oneself. Take it from an actual Hispanic; el no es blanco, Zimmerman es un mestizo.

Either way, he doesn't look like an Anglo-American white (because he isn't), which is important because those are the people that liberals used this case to dump on.

I.e. why is Zimmerman held up as a condemnation of white America?

He's being held up as a condemnation of racist America, which is predominantly white.

[Grenartia]

My elementary school was filled with hispanic kids, actually. Many of them passed for white or were white. Many did not.

You're like, the equivalent of tone deaf but for race. The only thing that's white about George Zimmerman is his name, otherwise he looks like most mixed Latin Americans out there.

What do you not understand about white passing?

[Bear Stearns]

Not to mention that Brad Pitt is playing a movie character who is mixed race and is wearing makeup to look as much.

That sounds like a claim you can prove.

Yes, I can prove it - because the picture is of him in a movie, where he is in character, and therefore costume, and movie costumes include makeup and hair-dye!

Brad Pitt is blonde in real life.

[Gormwood]

If the douchebag somehow actually wins, there goes the neighborhood.

[Grinning Dragon]

Who gives a.. he was told by the police not to keep following and he did and ended up shooting someone, he had a reasonable cause to not carry on and didn't..

..guilty of manslaughter.

911 isn't police. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman as Zimmerman was walking back to his truck, after the 911 operator asked where Trayvon had gone, then suggested Zimmerman return to his vehicle.

[Cantelo]

You're like, the equivalent of tone deaf but for race. The only thing that's white about George Zimmerman is his name, otherwise he looks like most mixed Latin Americans out there.

What do you not understand about white passing?

Bro, he's not white-passing. He just isn't. I've been around Hispanics and Latinos my entire life and I can tell you that Zimmerman is far from even passing as white. You can't tell me with a straight face that he passes for white in any country.

[Bear Stearns]

Either way, he doesn't look like an Anglo-American white (because he isn't), which is important because those are the people that liberals used this case to dump on.

I.e. why is Zimmerman held up as a condemnation of white America?

He's being held up as a condemnation of racist America, which is predominantly white.

Really? Based on what ground? Sounds like you're basically just saying that white America is racist America.

[Bombadil]

Who gives a.. he was told by the police not to keep following and he did and ended up shooting someone, he had a reasonable cause to not carry on and didn't..

..guilty of manslaughter.

iirc didn't the evidence actually support him not following Trayvon after being told not to and then being attacked? Admittedly it's been a long time but I think you can even hear his breathing slow down after dispatch tells him not to pursue, seemingly indicating he was slowing down and stopping like he said.

Was he in his car? No, they started fighting down an alley.

Even Zimmerman notes in his defence he got out of the car and went looking for him.

Zimmerman, a married insurance underwriter who studied criminal justice at Seminole State College, told police that Trayvon approached him from behind as he was returning to his car.

Regardless, this is not necessarily about innocence because the facts are only according to Zimmerman, the other witness is conveniently dead.

Personally I think he should just drop the lawsuit.

[Bear Stearns]

You're like, the equivalent of tone deaf but for race. The only thing that's white about George Zimmerman is his name, otherwise he looks like most mixed Latin Americans out there.

What do you not understand about white passing?

Where in America would he pass for white? Usually when people say "white passing" they mean people who by outward appearance look white but may privately identify as something else.

[Des-Bal]

He's being held up as a condemnation of racist America, which is predominantly white.

And thank god he didn't have a better tan or you'd need a better example.

[Grenartia]

But, absent the stereotypical facial features, many can (and do) easily pass for white. Had a crush on a girl in middle school who was half-Filippino, and nobody knew until it just came up one day in class.



I'm not saying he is white, just that he passes for white. There is a difference.

He straight up doesn't pass for white though.

If someone can think you're white, you pass for white. I always thought he was white (and I'm not the only one). Therefore, he passes for white.

There is nothing about him that would make me think he's white passing, at all.

I'm white, and there's plenty about him that indicated he was white. That's the definition of white passing.

That sounds like a claim you can prove.

Yes, I can prove it - because the picture is of him in a movie, where he is in character, and therefore costume, and movie costumes include makeup and hair-dye!

Brad Pitt is blonde in real life.

Hair color =/= skin-darkening makeup.

Try again.

What do you not understand about white passing?

Bro, he's not white-passing. He just isn't. I've been around Hispanics and Latinos my entire life

So have I.

and I can tell you that Zimmerman is far from even passing as white. You can't tell me with a straight face that he passes for white in any country.

As a white person, I think I'd know a thing or two about who can and cannot pass for white.

He's being held up as a condemnation of racist America, which is predominantly white.

Really? Based on what ground? Sounds like you're basically just saying that white America is racist America.

Only if you failed so hard at reading comprehension that you never learned what "predominantly" means.

[Gormwood]

The thread should be The Zimmerman Files: White or Not?

[Des-Bal]

Was he in his car? No, they started fighting down an alley.

Even Zimmerman notes in his defence he got out of the car and went looking for him.

Zimmerman, a married insurance underwriter who studied criminal justice at Seminole State College, told police that Trayvon approached him from behind as he was returning to his car.

Regardless, this is not necessarily about innocence because the facts are only according to Zimmerman, the other witness is conveniently dead.

Personally I think he should just drop the lawsuit.

That's a silly thing to think because he's alleging some pretty serious shit.

[Cantelo]

He straight up doesn't pass for white though.

If someone can think you're white, you pass for white. I always thought he was white (and I'm not the only one). Therefore, he passes for white.

There is nothing about him that would make me think he's white passing, at all.

I'm white, and there's plenty about him that indicated he was white. That's the definition of white passing.

Yes, I can prove it - because the picture is of him in a movie, where he is in character, and therefore costume, and movie costumes include makeup and hair-dye!

Brad Pitt is blonde in real life.

Hair color =/= skin-darkening makeup.

Try again.

Bro, he's not white-passing. He just isn't. I've been around Hispanics and Latinos my entire life

So have I.

and I can tell you that Zimmerman is far from even passing as white. You can't tell me with a straight face that he passes for white in any country.

As a white person, I think I'd know a thing or two about who can and cannot pass for white.

Really? Based on what ground? Sounds like you're basically just saying that white America is racist America.

Only if you failed so hard at reading comprehension that you never learned what "predominantly" means.

The difference between you and me is that I'm a white Hispanic and have more experience with the cultural and racial nuances between Latin Americans. Absolutely nobody in Latin America would seriously consider George Zimmerman to be white passing. You trying to tell me that he's passing, when he clearly isn't by any standard, is ridiculous. Just because you're a white American that's spent time around Latinos doesn't mean shit.

Te lo digo en serio: Zimmerman jamas seria considerado blanco en cualquier país de America Latina, mucho menos en los Estados Unidos.

[Des-Bal]

The thread should be The Zimmerman Files: White or Not?

That is and has always been the only issue. The only reason it made national news, the only reason anyone cared, is because of the races of the parties involved. That was made abundantly clear as people dragged out random self defense cases with wildly different fact patterns and focused exclusively on the race of the parties involved.

[Bear Stearns]

Yes, I can prove it - because the picture is of him in a movie, where he is in character, and therefore costume, and movie costumes include makeup and hair-dye!

Brad Pitt is blonde in real life.

Hair color =/= skin-darkening makeup.

Try again.

Are you that tone deaf to deny that Brad Pitt's costume in a movie includes makeup? Sheesh do we have to spell it out for you?

Brad Pitt on a regular day:

Brad Pitt in costume for a movie:

Really? Based on what ground? Sounds like you're basically just saying that white America is racist America.

Only if you failed so hard at reading comprehension that you never learned what "predominantly" means.

How is "racist America" (whatever that is) predominately white America? Are the majority of racists in America white? How is this measured? Do white people commit the most hate crimes? What about once you control for population? Are white people more likely to be racist than non-whites?

You can't just say things absurd and expect people to take your word for it.