The Zimmerman Files..

[Bear Stearns]

The thread should be The Zimmerman Files: White or Not?

Well given how racial this controversy was, a lot of melts away if Zimmerman isn't white, doesn't it?

[Grenartia]

If someone can think you're white, you pass for white. I always thought he was white (and I'm not the only one). Therefore, he passes for white.



I'm white, and there's plenty about him that indicated he was white. That's the definition of white passing.



Hair color =/= skin-darkening makeup.

Try again.



So have I.



As a white person, I think I'd know a thing or two about who can and cannot pass for white.



Only if you failed so hard at reading comprehension that you never learned what "predominantly" means.

The difference between you and me is that I'm a white Hispanic and have more experience with the cultural and racial nuances between Latin Americans. Absolutely nobody in Latin America would seriously consider George Zimmerman to be white passing. You trying to tell me that he's passing, when he clearly isn't by any standard, is ridiculous. Just because you're a white American that's spent time around Latinos doesn't mean shit.

Te lo digo en serio: Zimmerman jamas seria considerado blanco en cualquier país de America Latina, mucho menos en los Estados Unidos.

The question isn't whether hispanics and latinos (American or not) would consider him white passing, but whether your typical white American would. What determines white passing isn't the opinions of POC, but white people, because white people are the gatekeepers of whiteness, as it currently stands.


To clarify, I do not at all think that's a good thing. However, that matters in the context of this discussion.

[Des-Bal]

As a white person, I think I'd know a thing or two about who can and cannot pass for white.

As someone with eyes it seems like you can't. Luis CK is a white passing hispanic, Zimmerman is just hispanic.

[Des-Bal]

The question isn't whether hispanics and latinos (American or not) would consider him white passing, but whether your typical white American would. What determines white passing isn't the opinions of POC, but white people, because white people are the gatekeepers of whiteness, as it currently stands.


To clarify, I do not at all think that's a good thing. However, that matters in the context of this discussion.

It's so cool how you're arguing your skin color makes your opinion more important.

[Cantelo]

The difference between you and me is that I'm a white Hispanic and have more experience with the cultural and racial nuances between Latin Americans. Absolutely nobody in Latin America would seriously consider George Zimmerman to be white passing. You trying to tell me that he's passing, when he clearly isn't by any standard, is ridiculous. Just because you're a white American that's spent time around Latinos doesn't mean shit.

Te lo digo en serio: Zimmerman jamas seria considerado blanco en cualquier país de America Latina, mucho menos en los Estados Unidos.

The question isn't whether hispanics and latinos (American or not) would consider him white passing, but whether your typical white American would. What determines white passing isn't the opinions of POC, but white people, because white people are the gatekeepers of whiteness, as it currently stands.


To clarify, I do not at all think that's a good thing. However, that matters in the context of this discussion.

If white people are the gatekeepers of whiteness, then I fit the bill. Both parents are Spaniards straight outta Europe, I'm pale, I have colored eyes. Naturally my parents and I associate with Latin Americans because there aren't a lot of Spaniards laying around in the US.

So, with the power of Eurotrash whiteness vested in me, I can still say with confidence that Zimmerman ain't fucking white.

EDIT: oops, I meant "white-passing" but my point still stands.

[Samadhi]

The question isn't whether hispanics and latinos (American or not) would consider him white passing, but whether your typical white American would. What determines white passing isn't the opinions of POC, but white people, because white people are the gatekeepers of whiteness, as it currently stands.


To clarify, I do not at all think that's a good thing. However, that matters in the context of this discussion.

If white people are the gatekeepers of whiteness, then I fit the bill. Both parents are Spaniards straight outta Europe, I'm pale, I have colored eyes. Naturally my parents and I associate with Latin Americans because there aren't a lot of Spaniards laying around in the US.

So, with the power of Eurotrash whiteness vested in me, I can still say with confidence that Zimmerman ain't fucking white.

EDIT: oops, I meant "white-passing" but my point still stands.

Didn't he kill a black person, because that sounds like something white people do.

[Bombadil]

If white people are the gatekeepers of whiteness, then I fit the bill. Both parents are Spaniards straight outta Europe, I'm pale, I have colored eyes. Naturally my parents and I associate with Latin Americans because there aren't a lot of Spaniards laying around in the US.

So, with the power of Eurotrash whiteness vested in me, I can still say with confidence that Zimmerman ain't fucking white.

EDIT: oops, I meant "white-passing" but my point still stands.

Didn't he kill a black person, because that sounds like something white people do.

No, he got away with killing a black person, because that sounds..

[Grenartia]

Hair color =/= skin-darkening makeup.

Try again.

Are you that tone deaf to deny that Brad Pitt's costume in a movie includes makeup? Sheesh do we have to spell it out for you?

Brad Pitt on a regular day:

Brad Pitt in costume for a movie:

Brad Pitt in the same movie:

The claim isn't whether or not he had makeup (clearly, that noose mark proves he did). The claim is whether or not his skin was artificially-darkened for the role. Considering the absolute lack of controversy I can find (or even recall) over it, I'm going to demand proof he had skin-darkening makeup.

Only if you failed so hard at reading comprehension that you never learned what "predominantly" means.

How is "racist America" (whatever that is)

Racist America is obviously the section of America that is racist. Duh.

predominately white America?

Most Americans are white (77%, per the last census). Therefore, most racists are also going to be white.

Are the majority of racists in America white? How is this measured? Do white people commit the most hate crimes? What about once you control for population? Are white people more likely to be racist than non-whites?

Yes.

You can't just say things absurd and expect people to take your word for it.

Don't take my word for it. Take the FBI's word for it:

A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.

Race
In 2017, race was reported for 6,370 known hate crime offenders. Of these offenders:

50.7 percent were White.
21.3 percent were Black or African American.
7.5 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (group of multiple races).
0.8 percent (49 offenders) were American Indian or Alaska Native.
0.7 percent (42 offenders) were Asian.
3 offenders were Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.
19.1 percent were unknown.
Ethnicity
The ethnicity was reported for 5,131 known hate crime offenders. Of these:

25.0 percent were in the ethnic category Not Hispanic or Latino.
8.8 percent were Hispanic or Latino.
1.6 percent were groups made up of individuals of various ethnicities (group of multiple ethnicities).
64.5 percent were of unknown ethnicity.

The thread should be The Zimmerman Files: White or Not?

Well given how racial this controversy was, a lot of melts away if Zimmerman isn't white, doesn't it?

Not really, since the racial focus of the incident is about how black people are automatically perceived as threats.

[Des-Bal]

The question isn't whether hispanics and latinos (American or not) would consider him white passing, but whether your typical white American would. What determines white passing isn't the opinions of POC, but white people, because white people are the gatekeepers of whiteness, as it currently stands.


To clarify, I do not at all think that's a good thing. However, that matters in the context of this discussion.

As a black guy from a public school background I deny your power. White people aren't the only ones who judge people based on their race, and it's not white people who rely on parsing those social divisions for survival. The kids in my neighborhood weren't supposed to associate with white kids because the black parents didn't want to deal with white parents. When they did, they offered no conflict, issuing platitudes before privately advising self-segregation. Those mothers would have definitely fought with this guy because he is definitely hispanic.

[Des-Bal]

Not really, since the racial focus of the incident is about how black people are automatically perceived as threats.

No, that's just a lie you're telling. The issue was the idea that Zimmerman was white and he was going to get away with it. They weren't going to charge him because the self-defense angle was pretty clear but the public demanded charges be pressed that were never ever going to work out.

[Cantelo]

Not really, since the racial focus of the incident is about how black people are automatically perceived as threats.

No, that's just a lie you're telling. The issue was the idea that Zimmerman was white and he was going to get away with it. They weren't going to charge him because the self-defense angle was pretty clear but the public demanded charges be pressed that were never ever going to work out.

I swear to god, Grenartia has such a white savior complex that I can feel it radiate from the posts. The patronizing attitude and stubbornness is real.

[Grenartia]

No, that's just a lie you're telling. The issue was the idea that Zimmerman was white and he was going to get away with it. They weren't going to charge him because the self-defense angle was pretty clear but the public demanded charges be pressed that were never ever going to work out.

I swear to god, Grenartia has such a white savior complex that I can feel it radiate from the posts. The patronizing attitude and stubbornness is real.

I'd tell you I don't, but there's nothing I could do or say to actually prove it to you, not that you'd even care if I could.

[Samadhi]

Didn't he kill a black person, because that sounds like something white people do.

No, he got away with killing a black person, because that sounds..

Yeah that's true.

Can white people who care about white people please race adopt him.

[Cantelo]

I swear to god, Grenartia has such a white savior complex that I can feel it radiate from the posts. The patronizing attitude and stubbornness is real.

I'd tell you I don't, but there's nothing I could do or say to actually prove it to you, not that you'd even care if I could.

Again, the patronizing attitude. You think that being a white American gives you the final say on what being white is and makes you an expert on the topic. The world doesn't revolve around your definition of whiteness, and it seems to be a pretty skewed one at that. Zimmerman is not white, he is not white passing, he never was. I don't think anybody who didn't know who he was would ever think he was passing, the media pushed the narrative of him being white for god knows what reason.

[Des-Bal]

Again, the patronizing attitude. You think that being a white American gives you the final say on what being white is and makes you an expert on the topic. The world doesn't revolve around your definition of whiteness, and it seems to be a pretty skewed one at that. Zimmerman is not white, he is not white passing, he never was. I don't think anybody who didn't know who he was would ever think he was passing, the media pushed the narrative of him being white for god knows what reason.

In fairness Trayvon thought he was white, at least based on the racial slurs he used.

[Valrifell]

I'd tell you I don't, but there's nothing I could do or say to actually prove it to you, not that you'd even care if I could.

Again, the patronizing attitude. You think that being a white American gives you the final say on what being white is and makes you an expert on the topic. The world doesn't revolve around your definition of whiteness, and it seems to be a pretty skewed one at that. Zimmerman is not white, he is not white passing, he never was. I don't think anybody who didn't know who he was would ever think he was passing, the media pushed the narrative of him being white for god knows what reason.

Cuz he looked white and Zimmerman isn't a traditionally hispanic last name.

It's super complicated but bear with, yeah?

[Cantelo]

Again, the patronizing attitude. You think that being a white American gives you the final say on what being white is and makes you an expert on the topic. The world doesn't revolve around your definition of whiteness, and it seems to be a pretty skewed one at that. Zimmerman is not white, he is not white passing, he never was. I don't think anybody who didn't know who he was would ever think he was passing, the media pushed the narrative of him being white for god knows what reason.

Cuz he looked white and Zimmerman isn't a traditionally hispanic last name.

It's super complicated but bear with, yeah?

Except he doesn't look white, and someone's last name is simply that; a last name.
It's some complex shit I know, but read it slowly and I think you'll understand.

[Rojava Free State]

George Zimmerman technically was defending himself. I say technically because he caused the whole situation by following trayvon when they said don't do it. This wannabe tough guy got in a fight and ended up killing a man. Now he adds insult to injury

Seriously what the fuck George

[Rojava Free State]

Cuz he looked white and Zimmerman isn't a traditionally hispanic last name.

It's super complicated but bear with, yeah?

Except he doesn't look white, and someone's last name is simply that; a last name.
It's some complex shit I know, but read it slowly and I think you'll understand.

I've seen plenty of white guys who look like zimmerman. He could be Greek or a turk

[Rojava Free State]

If white people are the gatekeepers of whiteness, then I fit the bill. Both parents are Spaniards straight outta Europe, I'm pale, I have colored eyes. Naturally my parents and I associate with Latin Americans because there aren't a lot of Spaniards laying around in the US.

So, with the power of Eurotrash whiteness vested in me, I can still say with confidence that Zimmerman ain't fucking white.

EDIT: oops, I meant "white-passing" but my point still stands.

Didn't he kill a black person, because that sounds like something white people do.

Sheesh racist much? And as for the Spanish dude, I won't deny you look white as possible, but there's also plenty of dark colored castillians too my man. It's a variable look, that of a Hispanic including Spaniards

[Infected Mushroom]

I believe that this lawsuit by Zimmerman is a way for him to try and avenge his honor. His honor and his reputation was attacked by an entire government and at the behest of private parties for years, people literally said to him "You are a murderer, we will prove it and you will suffer." They failed to achieve this but they sure as hell tried. An extraordinary amount of damage was nevertheless done to his standing.

Now under the current system, what is Zimmerman going to do? A lawsuit is one way for him to try and vindicate himself and restore his honor.

This is Zimmerman trying to exorcise some of his anger at the injustices that he has suffered, this is him saying, "it's not enough that I was cleared of all charges, I was wronged, I want to hit back, the other party will know... you do not mess with the Zimmerman."

And it's 100% understandable.

And I think Zimmerman knows that he might lose this lawsuit, but he's okay with it. At the end of the day he can say, "well at least I tried. I gave it my best shot. I tried to fight back and I'm sure the other side understands the gesture." There's value in that.

[Rojava Free State]

I believe that this lawsuit by Zimmerman is a way for him to try and avenge his honor. His honor and his reputation was attacked by an entire government and at the behest of private parties for years, people literally said to him "You are a murderer, we will prove it and you will suffer." They failed to achieve this but they sure as hell tried. An extraordinary amount of damage was nevertheless done to his standing.

Now under the current system, what is Zimmerman going to do? A lawsuit is one way for him to try and vindicate himself and restore his honor.

This is Zimmerman trying to exorcise some of his anger at the injustices that he has suffered, this is him saying, "it's not enough that I was cleared of all charges, I was wronged, I want to hit back, the other party will know... you do not mess with the Zimmerman."

And it's 100% understandable.

And I think Zimmerman knows that he might lose this lawsuit, but he's okay with it. At the end of the day he can say, "well at least I tried. I gave it my best shot. I tried to fight back and I'm sure the other side understands the gesture." There's value in that.

He has no honor. He's a thug

[Samadhi]

I believe that this lawsuit by Zimmerman is a way for him to try and avenge his honor. His honor and his reputation was attacked by an entire government and at the behest of private parties for years, people literally said to him "You are a murderer, we will prove it and you will suffer." They failed to achieve this but they sure as hell tried. An extraordinary amount of damage was nevertheless done to his standing.

Now under the current system, what is Zimmerman going to do? A lawsuit is one way for him to try and vindicate himself and restore his honor.

This is Zimmerman trying to exorcise some of his anger at the injustices that he has suffered, this is him saying, "it's not enough that I was cleared of all charges, I was wronged, I want to hit back, the other party will know... you do not mess with the Zimmerman."

And it's 100% understandable.

And I think Zimmerman knows that he might lose this lawsuit, but he's okay with it. At the end of the day he can say, "well at least I tried. I gave it my best shot. I tried to fight back and I'm sure the other side understands the gesture." There's value in that.

Is your honor in the room with you right now?

Does it tell you to kill black people?

[Rojava Free State]

I believe that this lawsuit by Zimmerman is a way for him to try and avenge his honor. His honor and his reputation was attacked by an entire government and at the behest of private parties for years, people literally said to him "You are a murderer, we will prove it and you will suffer." They failed to achieve this but they sure as hell tried. An extraordinary amount of damage was nevertheless done to his standing.

Now under the current system, what is Zimmerman going to do? A lawsuit is one way for him to try and vindicate himself and restore his honor.

This is Zimmerman trying to exorcise some of his anger at the injustices that he has suffered, this is him saying, "it's not enough that I was cleared of all charges, I was wronged, I want to hit back, the other party will know... you do not mess with the Zimmerman."

And it's 100% understandable.

And I think Zimmerman knows that he might lose this lawsuit, but he's okay with it. At the end of the day he can say, "well at least I tried. I gave it my best shot. I tried to fight back and I'm sure the other side understands the gesture." There's value in that.

Is your honor in the room with you right now?

Does it tell you to kill black people?

Considering Zimmerman's road rage incident in a parking lot down in Florida and his relationship with his ex girlfriend, I think Zimmerman has no qualms bringing violence to anyone. He likes fighting and that killed a man

[Samadhi]

Is your honor in the room with you right now?

Does it tell you to kill black people?

Considering Zimmerman's road rage incident in a parking lot down in Florida and his relationship with his ex girlfriend, I think Zimmerman has no qualms bringing violence to anyone. He likes fighting and that killed a man

Do you hear that whistling from high above?

That's the point you missed.