The Zimmerman Files..

[Ors Might]

I have no issue believing that a guilty individual walked free. What’s your evidence for this being one of those cases?

Zimmerman, who has a huge fucking record of domestic violence and racist tendencies, literally hunted down a black teenager who was doing absolutely nothing wrong throughout the neighborhood that they both lived in at the time. And then he blamed everything on that very same teenager that he hunted down and shot so he could claim self-defense.

It's not hard to put two and two together. In fact, if you give even the tiniest bit of scrutiny to Zimmerman's previous and present history and his account of the events, it's fucking hard as shit to imagine that there's a possibility he was telling the truth.

Or, he followed someone at night in a neighborhood that had recently gone through dozens of break-ins and Trayvon, knowing about those break-ins, made the assumption that Zimmerman was one of those types and chose to ambush the man following him. Zimmerman, now fearing for his life, shot Trayvon, killing him.

[Des-Bal]

Zimmerman, who has a huge fucking record of domestic violence and racist tendencies, literally hunted down a black teenager who was doing absolutely nothing wrong throughout the neighborhood that they both lived in at the time. And then he blamed everything on that very same teenager that he hunted down and shot so he could claim self-defense.

It's not hard to put two and two together. In fact, if you give even the tiniest bit of scrutiny to Zimmerman's previous and present history and his account of the events, it's fucking hard as shit to imagine that there's a possibility he was telling the truth.

Zimmerman, a minority who balanced his job, night classes, and volunteering as a member of the Neighborhood watch HEROICALLY reported in an unknown person following a rash of break-ins. He followed this person, going above and beyond what was expected of him to ensure people of all races could sleep soundly at night but the villainous Trayvon Martin, a self described "gangster" of military age who was currently suspended from school for drugs and bragged about beating "snitches" laid an insidious trap to stop this noble american citizen from making this lawful call racially degrading him as he prepared his evil attack. He attacked Zimmerman, beating the High School graduate while he cried out for help- an attack so savage and unrelenting that it stopped only when Zimmerman through sheer grit and determination drew his weapon and shot the fiend.

You can play shitty games with irrelevant facts and descriptors sall day.

[Grinning Dragon]

I have no issue believing that a guilty individual walked free. What’s your evidence for this being one of those cases?

Zimmerman, who has a huge fucking record of domestic violence and racist tendencies, literally hunted down a black teenager who was doing absolutely nothing wrong throughout the neighborhood that they both lived in at the time. And then he blamed everything on that very same teenager that he hunted down and shot so he could claim self-defense.

It's not hard to put two and two together. In fact, if you give even the tiniest bit of scrutiny to Zimmerman's previous and present history and his account of the events, it's fucking hard as shit to imagine that there's a possibility he was telling the truth.

This has zero to do with his right to self defense, nor does it negate his right to self defense. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, Trayvon initiated the physical contact, Trayvon placed himself in the situation that lead to his death.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Even if he was assaulted first, it doesn’t seem right that he kill him. Seems disproportionate.

[The Two Jerseys]

Even if he was assaulted first, it doesn’t seem right that he kill him. Seems disproportionate.

Trayvon had Zimmerman on the ground and was bashing his face in.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Even if he was assaulted first, it doesn’t seem right that he kill him. Seems disproportionate.

Trayvon had Zimmerman on the ground and was bashing his face in.

Was he? I’ve been hearing conflicting reports...

[Des-Bal]

Even if he was assaulted first, it doesn’t seem right that he kill him. Seems disproportionate.

It probably seems that way if you don't think you can kill someone by holding them down and beating them. Trayvon didn't get shot because he assaulted someone he got shot because he created an imminent threat of grievous bodily harm or death.

[Telconi]

Even if he was assaulted first, it doesn’t seem right that he kill him. Seems disproportionate.

The point of self defense isn't proportionate harm.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Even if he was assaulted first, it doesn’t seem right that he kill him. Seems disproportionate.

The point of self defense isn't proportionate harm.

If somebody punches me in the face, do I have the right to shoot them?

[Telconi]

The point of self defense isn't proportionate harm.

If somebody punches me in the face, do I have the right to shoot them?

If such a punch endangers you, yes.

[Grinning Dragon]

Trayvon had Zimmerman on the ground and was bashing his face in.

Was he? I’ve been hearing conflicting reports...

obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin

https://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532

[Des-Bal]

Was he? I’ve been hearing conflicting reports...

Guy had a broken nose and the back of his head was all fucked up. All evidence suggests he was hit in the face and that his head hit the pavement which lines up with his claim that Trayvon was on top of him, hitting, him and bashing his head on the ground.

If somebody punches me in the face, do I have the right to shoot them?

You don't get the right to shoot someone because of something they did to you, you get it to prevent the thing they're about to do. If someone punches you and starts walking away? No. If someone punches you and stands there? No. If someone is on top of you, punching you and slamming your head into the pavement while you scream for help? Shoot them.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Was he? I’ve been hearing conflicting reports...

obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin

https://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532

Ok. Now I see what you mean.

[Vassenor]

Even if he was assaulted first, it doesn’t seem right that he kill him. Seems disproportionate.

The point of self defense isn't proportionate harm.

Self defence in law requires that the force used be proportionate.

[Des-Bal]

Self defence in law requires that the force used be proportionate.

Do you have the statute?

[Telconi]

The point of self defense isn't proportionate harm.

Self defence in law requires that the force used be proportionate.

Evidently not, as Zimmerman isn't dead.

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Zimmerman's injuries are irrelevant, he was the aggressor. He persisted in a pursuit despite no evidence that Trayvon had done anything wrong and despite already calling the police. Zimmerman was told to not follow him but he continued to anyway. Meanwhile, Trayvon made an effort to avoid confrontation by walking away. Trayvon stopped walking on the street and cut through the housing to escape; Zimmerman got out of his car and continued to follow him.

We don't know what words were spoken between them but we can certainly infer that Trayvon made it known that he wanted to be left alone. We do know he was on the phone with his friend and told her that he was concerned about the man following him. He wasn't looking for a fight.

[Des-Bal]

Zimmerman's injuries are irrelevant, he was the aggressor. He persisted in a pursuit despite no evidence that Trayvon had done anything wrong and despite already calling the police. Zimmerman was told to not follow him but he continued to anyway. Meanwhile, Trayvon made an effort to avoid confrontation by walking away. Trayvon stopped walking on the street and cut through the housing to escape; Zimmerman got out of his car and continued to follow him.

We don't know what words were spoken between them but we can certainly infer that Trayvon made it known that he wanted to be left alone. We do know he was on the phone with his friend and told her that he was concerned about the man following him. He wasn't looking for a fight.

Trayvon wasn't looking for a fight while he beat a man screaming for help.

Zimmerman did nothing illegal. Your perception of what it means to be an aggressor is severely flawed, the only contact that actually matters is who initiated violence and that was Trayvon.

[Telconi]

Zimmerman's injuries are irrelevant, he was the aggressor. He persisted in a pursuit despite no evidence that Trayvon had done anything wrong and despite already calling the police. Zimmerman was told to not follow him but he continued to anyway. Meanwhile, Trayvon made an effort to avoid confrontation by walking away. Trayvon stopped walking on the street and cut through the housing to escape; Zimmerman got out of his car and continued to follow him.

We don't know what words were spoken between them but we can certainly infer that Trayvon made it known that he wanted to be left alone. We do know he was on the phone with his friend and told her that he was concerned about the man following him. He wasn't looking for a fight.

There's a categorical difference between following a person, and attacking them.

[The Two Jerseys]

Self defence in law requires that the force used be proportionate.

Do you have the statute?

3.0 USB 5 Gbit/s: "Possession of an inherent physical advantage by the attacker, including, but not limited to, weight, height, reach, upper body strength, speed, etc., does not permit the defender to use weapons or other objects to negate said advantage(s)"

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Zimmerman's injuries are irrelevant, he was the aggressor. He persisted in a pursuit despite no evidence that Trayvon had done anything wrong and despite already calling the police. Zimmerman was told to not follow him but he continued to anyway. Meanwhile, Trayvon made an effort to avoid confrontation by walking away. Trayvon stopped walking on the street and cut through the housing to escape; Zimmerman got out of his car and continued to follow him.

We don't know what words were spoken between them but we can certainly infer that Trayvon made it known that he wanted to be left alone. We do know he was on the phone with his friend and told her that he was concerned about the man following him. He wasn't looking for a fight.

There's a categorical difference between following a person, and attacking them.

If someone follows you from their vehicle and then gets out of their vehicle to continue to follow you after you get off the road to avoid them, would you not perceive that situation as one in which you face imminent risk of being harmed?

What if you firmly warned this person to leave you alone but they continued to follow you?

What if you warned this person and then they attempted to corner you?

[Telconi]

There's a categorical difference between following a person, and attacking them.

If someone follows you from their vehicle and then gets out of their vehicle to continue to follow you after you get off the road to avoid them, would you not perceive that situation as one in which you face imminent risk of being harmed?

What if you firmly warned this person to leave you alone but they continued to follow you?

What if you warned this person and then they attempted to corner you?

I wouldn't

Are the second two questions relevant?

[Eitoan]

Hair color =/= skin-darkening makeup.

Try again.

Are you that tone deaf to deny that Brad Pitt's costume in a movie includes makeup? Sheesh do we have to spell it out for you?

Brad Pitt on a regular day:

Brad Pitt in costume for a movie:

Only if you failed so hard at reading comprehension that you never learned what "predominantly" means.

How is "racist America" (whatever that is) predominately white America? Are the majority of racists in America white? How is this measured? Do white people commit the most hate crimes? What about once you control for population? Are white people more likely to be racist than non-whites?

You can't just say things absurd and expect people to take your word for it.

What he said.

[Des-Bal]

3.0 USB 5 Gbit/s: "Possession of an inherent physical advantage by the attacker, including, but not limited to, weight, height, reach, upper body strength, speed, etc., does not permit the defender to use weapons or other objects to negate said advantage(s)"

That's unattributed and totally irrelevant. Nobody said Zimmerman was justified because of any physical trait.

[The Two Jerseys]

3.0 USB 5 Gbit/s: "Possession of an inherent physical advantage by the attacker, including, but not limited to, weight, height, reach, upper body strength, speed, etc., does not permit the defender to use weapons or other objects to negate said advantage(s)"

That's unattributed and totally irrelevant. Nobody said Zimmerman was justified because of any physical trait.

You missed the sarcasm...