The Zimmerman Files..

[Ifreann]

Depends who I'm hearing it from. In the case of a racist asshole who went out of his way to get in a confrontation with a black kid, a confrontation which lead to the death of that black kid, claiming that the black kid he killed started it, that's a big old [DOUBT] from me.

His story has his word.

His story has the backing of a court of law. What do the accusations have?

Being acquitted doesn't lend any credence to his version of events.

[Ors Might]

He broke no law, that's why for all the bitching about skittle and denying the divine command of 911 operators not a single fucking person has suggested an actual crime for Zimmerman to have committed that would preclude self defense.

Literally who gives a single iota of a fuck if he didn't break a law in the process of hunting down a teenager throughout a neighborhood and then killing him?

2 guys had a misunderstanding. Guy 1 called the cops, Guy 2 started beating him, the first guy defended himself. The only reason to look beyond that is naked racism.

One guy, a teenager, was innocently walking home in the neighborhood that he lived in. Another guy, a full-grown adult with a gun and a history of domestic violence and racism, called the police because the first guy, still a teenager, was innocently walking home. Guy number two, still a fully-grown adult with a gun, then left his vehicle and actively chased after the first guy, a teenager. The second guy, a fully-grown adult with a gun, then proceeded to shoot the first guy, a T E E N A G E R, after one of them - probably the second guy, who actively chased the first guy throughout their neighborhood - initiated violence. The second guy, a fully-grown adult with a gun, then blamed everything on the first guy, a teenager, despite being the one who began the confrontation by chasing the teenager throughout their neighborhood.

You make it sound like nothing else happened between Zimmerman following Trayvon and Zimmerman shooting Trayvon.

[Ors Might]

His story has the backing of a court of law. What do the accusations have?

Being acquitted doesn't lend any credence to his version of events.

It does cast doubt on the accusation levied against him. What do the accusations have, by the way?

[Torrocca]

Literally who gives a single iota of a fuck if he didn't break a law in the process of hunting down a teenager throughout a neighborhood and then killing him?




One guy, a teenager, was innocently walking home in the neighborhood that he lived in. Another guy, a full-grown adult with a gun and a history of domestic violence and racism, called the police because the first guy, still a teenager, was innocently walking home. Guy number two, still a fully-grown adult with a gun, then left his vehicle and actively chased after the first guy, a teenager. The second guy, a fully-grown adult with a gun, then proceeded to shoot the first guy, a T E E N A G E R, after one of them - probably the second guy, who actively chased the first guy throughout their neighborhood - initiated violence. The second guy, a fully-grown adult with a gun, then blamed everything on the first guy, a teenager, despite being the one who began the confrontation by chasing the teenager throughout their neighborhood.

You make it sound like nothing else happened between Zimmerman following Trayvon and Zimmerman shooting Trayvon.

All we have to go on is the killer's own word, and the killer whose word we have to go on just so happens to be a racist, abusive asshole with a vivid history of racist, abusive assholery and, again, was the one who went and actively chased a teenager throughout their neighborhood because the teenager was walking home.

I'm certain you can see why, precisely, I have intense doubts about his account of what happened.

[Grinning Dragon]

You make it sound like nothing else happened between Zimmerman following Trayvon and Zimmerman shooting Trayvon.

All we have to go on is the killer's own word, and the killer whose word we have to go on just so happens to be a racist, abusive asshole with a vivid history of racist, abusive assholery and, again, was the one who went and actively chased a teenager throughout their neighborhood because the teenager was walking home.

I'm certain you can see why, precisely, I have intense doubts about his account of what happened.

Racist/abusive people still have the natural right to self defense.

[Ors Might]

You make it sound like nothing else happened between Zimmerman following Trayvon and Zimmerman shooting Trayvon.

All we have to go on is the killer's own word, and the killer whose word we have to go on just so happens to be a racist, abusive asshole with a vivid history of racist, abusive assholery and, again, was the one who went and actively chased a teenager throughout their neighborhood because the teenager was walking home.

I'm certain you can see why, precisely, I have intense doubts about his account of what happened.

To some extent, I can understand. But from what I can tell, there isn’t anything that contradicts his account of events. If I’m wrong, then please give me evidence of that.

[Des-Bal]

Literally who gives a single iota of a fuck if he didn't break a law in the process of hunting down a teenager throughout a neighborhood and then killing him?

People who care about the law? If you want to whine nobody can stop you but the law is the law and as a matter of law Zimmerman shot Trayvon in self defense. For a court to reach a conclusion other than that would be to ignore the law and that is antithetical to the principles of justice.

I omitted the parts of the post where you mentioned irrelevant details or repeated my summary.

[Torrocca]

All we have to go on is the killer's own word, and the killer whose word we have to go on just so happens to be a racist, abusive asshole with a vivid history of racist, abusive assholery and, again, was the one who went and actively chased a teenager throughout their neighborhood because the teenager was walking home.

I'm certain you can see why, precisely, I have intense doubts about his account of what happened.

Racist/abusive people still have the natural right to self defense.

"Self-defense is when you hunt down a teenager throughout the neighborhood they live in at night for committing the utterly horrific crime of walking home, and the more teenagers you hunt down at night the self-defensier it is." - Florida "Stand Your Ground" Laws, probably.

[Des-Bal]

"Self-defense is when you hunt down a teenager throughout the neighborhood they live in at night for committing the utterly horrific crime of walking home, and the more teenagers you hunt down at night the self-defensier it is." - Florida "Stand Your Ground" Laws, probably.

Stand your ground has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. You're complaining about laws you don't understand.

[Grinning Dragon]

Racist/abusive people still have the natural right to self defense.

"Self-defense is when you hunt down a teenager throughout the neighborhood they live in at night for committing the utterly horrific crime of walking home, and the more teenagers you hunt down at night the self-defensier it is." - Florida "Stand Your Ground" Laws, probably.

He didn't hunt down anyone. Tryavon didn't live in the neighborhood, he was visiting, the area had experienced 43 break ins. Due to the high number of break ins, it tends to put the neighborhood on edge.
The case was NEVER about SYG, nor was it brought up during trial.

[Thanatttynia]

Including the irrelevant information that 'Trayvon was a criminal, a guy who committed crimes' obviously seeks to excuse his murder

The statement was made in direct response to the suggestion that Trayvon was not a criminal. He was. He did crimes and we have a word for that.

He also wasn't murdered he was shot in self defense because one of the crimes he committed was assaulting a man who fortunately had a gun.

Murder is murder; following someone, running after them, shooting them... fits the definition in my book

If Zimmerman’s account is to be believed, which it was by a court, Trayvon was beating him pretty badly. Sounds like grounds to bring out the gun.

Following someone is not a violent act, though.

If we believe Zimmerman, sure.

Following someone, running after them after they run away, is not violent but is def threatening. Who's to say what Zimmerman did next? It seems much more likely to me that Martin was the person acting in self-defence.

[West Leas Oros 2]

"Self-defense is when you hunt down a teenager throughout the neighborhood they live in at night for committing the utterly horrific crime of walking home, and the more teenagers you hunt down at night the self-defensier it is." - Florida "Stand Your Ground" Laws, probably.

He didn't hunt down anyone. Tryavon didn't live in the neighborhood, he was visiting, the area had experienced 43 break ins. Due to the high number of break ins, it tends to put the neighborhood on edge.
The case was NEVER about SYG, nor was it brought up during trial.

So, because there were a lot of break-ins, he killed him? That seems a bit extreme...

[Gormwood]

He didn't hunt down anyone. Tryavon didn't live in the neighborhood, he was visiting, the area had experienced 43 break ins. Due to the high number of break ins, it tends to put the neighborhood on edge.
The case was NEVER about SYG, nor was it brought up during trial.

So, because there were a lot of break-ins, he killed him? That seems a bit extreme...

Racial profiling at its ongoing finest.

[Grinning Dragon]

He didn't hunt down anyone. Tryavon didn't live in the neighborhood, he was visiting, the area had experienced 43 break ins. Due to the high number of break ins, it tends to put the neighborhood on edge.
The case was NEVER about SYG, nor was it brought up during trial.

So, because there were a lot of break-ins, he killed him? That seems a bit extreme...

Well when your getting your skull bashed in, yeah Trayvon got what was coming to him.

[Torrocca]

"Self-defense is when you hunt down a teenager throughout the neighborhood they live in at night for committing the utterly horrific crime of walking home, and the more teenagers you hunt down at night the self-defensier it is." - Florida "Stand Your Ground" Laws, probably.

He didn't hunt down anyone. Tryavon didn't live in the neighborhood, he was visiting, the area had experienced 43 break ins.

He was literally living there at the time with his dad.

Due to the high number of break ins, it tends to put the neighborhood on edge.

Other people committing crimes now means that it's legally justifiable to chase an innocent teenager throughout a neighborhood and then shoot them dead. /s

The case was NEVER about SYG, nor was it brought up during trial.

The sarcastic mockery of what you were saying just went completely over your head, huh?

[Des-Bal]

Murder is murder; following someone, running after them, shooting them... fits the definition in my book

If your book was a law book it might matter. It's not. It doesn't. Zimmerman did nothing illegal prior to being attacked and that means he has a valid self defense claim.

[Des-Bal]

Racial profiling at its ongoing finest.

Yeah if that kid wasn't black Zimmerman would have never thought he was being beaten.

[Ifreann]

Being acquitted doesn't lend any credence to his version of events.

It does cast doubt on the accusation levied against him.

I think that most people are aware that being acquitted doesn't mean you didn't do it.

What do the accusations have, by the way?

The ghost of Trayvon told me that Zimmerman started it.

[Torrocca]

It does cast doubt on the accusation levied against him.

I think that most people are aware that being acquitted doesn't mean you didn't do it.

What do the accusations have, by the way?

The ghost of Trayvon told me that Zimmerman started it.

There's literally countless stories of innocent people being wrongly imprisoned in America. Why is it so much harder for some people to believe that a guilty person was similarly acquitted?

[Gormwood]

Racial profiling at its ongoing finest.

Yeah if that kid wasn't black Zimmerman would have never thought he was being beaten.

Never would have stalked him in the first place either. But if you were in Martin's place you would comply with a complete stranger with no actual badge of authority in the first place, clearly.

[Ors Might]

The statement was made in direct response to the suggestion that Trayvon was not a criminal. He was. He did crimes and we have a word for that.

He also wasn't murdered he was shot in self defense because one of the crimes he committed was assaulting a man who fortunately had a gun.

Murder is murder; following someone, running after them, shooting them... fits the definition in my book

If Zimmerman’s account is to be believed, which it was by a court, Trayvon was beating him pretty badly. Sounds like grounds to bring out the gun.

Following someone is not a violent act, though.

If we believe Zimmerman, sure.

Following someone, running after them after they run away, is not violent but is def threatening. Who's to say what Zimmerman did next? It seems much more likely to me that Martin was the person acting in self-defence.

By beating down on someone that, as far as we know, had done nothing to actually harm him or attempt to harm him? I don’t think a caved in skull is warranted for a neighborhood watchman following someone in the dead of night in a neighborhood that recently had a fuck ton of break ins.

[Ors Might]

I think that most people are aware that being acquitted doesn't mean you didn't do it.

The ghost of Trayvon told me that Zimmerman started it.

There's literally countless stories of innocent people being wrongly imprisoned in America. Why is it so much harder for some people to believe that a guilty person was similarly acquitted?

I have no issue believing that a guilty individual walked free. What’s your evidence for this being one of those cases?

[Des-Bal]

Never would have stalked him in the first place either. But if you were in Martin's place would you comply with a complete stranger with no actual badge of authority in the first place, clearly.

He didn't stalk him, he called the police and followed him while he was on the phone with him, as a matter of law that's just not what stalking is. Zimmerman did nothing that he did not have the right to do. No I would have called the police, told him to fuck off, or done any number of things other than violently attack a man before I knew his intentions.

[Ifreann]

I think that most people are aware that being acquitted doesn't mean you didn't do it.

The ghost of Trayvon told me that Zimmerman started it.

There's literally countless stories of innocent people being wrongly imprisoned in America. Why is it so much harder for some people to believe that a guilty person was similarly acquitted?

There is a pretty famous case of someone being acquitted of murder when pretty much everyone thinks they did the murder.

[Torrocca]

There's literally countless stories of innocent people being wrongly imprisoned in America. Why is it so much harder for some people to believe that a guilty person was similarly acquitted?

I have no issue believing that a guilty individual walked free. What’s your evidence for this being one of those cases?

Zimmerman, who has a huge fucking record of domestic violence and racist tendencies, literally hunted down a black teenager who was doing absolutely nothing wrong throughout the neighborhood that they both lived in at the time. And then he blamed everything on that very same teenager that he hunted down and shot so he could claim self-defense.

It's not hard to put two and two together. In fact, if you give even the tiniest bit of scrutiny to Zimmerman's previous and present history and his account of the events, it's fucking hard as shit to imagine that there's a possibility he was telling the truth.