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..he was guilty and he should not do this
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..he was not guilty but he still shouldn't do this
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..he was guilty but he should do this
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..he was not guilty and should totally do this
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:20 pm

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Zimmerman's a pretty white last name, and his skin tone is that of a tanned white guy. I know he's hispanic, but white hispanics exist. Also, white passing exists. If he isn't white, he definitely gets perceived as white, and therefore treated like it.


He does not pass as white, at all lol. Being Hispanic myself I can tell you that the dude looks clearly mixed. My gripe wasn’t that he was Hispanic, because white hispanics and Latinos absolutely exist, he’s just not one of them.


He sure as fucking shit looks whiter than mayo to me. I'm as white as they fucking come, but I have a similar skin tone as him due to working outdoors.
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Postby Cantelo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:22 pm

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He does not pass as white, at all lol. Being Hispanic myself I can tell you that the dude looks clearly mixed. My gripe wasn’t that he was Hispanic, because white hispanics and Latinos absolutely exist, he’s just not one of them.


He sure as fucking shit looks whiter than mayo to me. I'm as white as they fucking come, but I have a similar skin tone as him due to working outdoors.


Wow that’s a lot of hyperbole there. No, he isn’t a white Latino, his own Wikipedia page even says his mom is Afro-Peruvian. Honestly he looks mestizo to me, which he likely is considering the high amount of mestizos in Peru. I don’t think you really know what a white person looks like
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:25 pm

The guys life was ruined because he wasn't dark skinned enough for his decision to not to let someone beat him to death be anything but racist. I have no issue with Zimmerman exploiting every possible angle he can.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:26 pm

Des-Bal wrote:The guys life was ruined because he wasn't dark skinned enough for his decision to not to let someone beat him to death be anything but racist. I have no issue with Zimmerman exploiting every possible angle he can.


Zimmerman should have played up his Hispanic heritage and acted like a sleazy cholo - media would have lost interest overnight.
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Postby Cantelo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:27 pm

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Des-Bal wrote:The guys life was ruined because he wasn't dark skinned enough for his decision to not to let someone beat him to death be anything but racist. I have no issue with Zimmerman exploiting every possible angle he can.


Zimmerman should have played up his Hispanic heritage and acted like a sleazy cholo - media would have lost interest overnight.


I swear to god I was gonna say the dude looks like a Texas cholo but I wasn't sure if it was gonna be too insensitive.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:28 pm

Des-Bal wrote:The guys life was ruined because he wasn't dark skinned enough for his decision to not to let someone beat him to death be anything but racist. I have no issue with Zimmerman exploiting every possible angle he can.

Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin can easily pay off $100 million clearly. :roll:

And Zimmerman wouldn't have been in a dangerous position if he listened to the operator instead of trying to be an alpha male.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:30 pm

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He sure as fucking shit looks whiter than mayo to me. I'm as white as they fucking come, but I have a similar skin tone as him due to working outdoors.


Wow that’s a lot of hyperbole there. No, he isn’t a white Latino, his own Wikipedia page even says his mom is Afro-Peruvian. Honestly he looks mestizo to me, which he likely is considering the high amount of mestizos in Peru. I don’t think you really know what a white person looks like


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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:30 pm

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Des-Bal wrote:The guys life was ruined because he wasn't dark skinned enough for his decision to not to let someone beat him to death be anything but racist. I have no issue with Zimmerman exploiting every possible angle he can.

Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin can easily pay off $100 million clearly. :roll:


Let him have his 100 million and stipulate it will be paid 1 dollar a year.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:31 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin can easily pay off $100 million clearly. :roll:


Let him have his 100 million and stipulate it will be paid 1 dollar a year.

In pennies.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:31 pm

Cantelo wrote:
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Zimmerman should have played up his Hispanic heritage and acted like a sleazy cholo - media would have lost interest overnight.


I swear to god I was gonna say the dude looks like a Texas cholo but I wasn't sure if it was gonna be too insensitive.


A simple change of clothes and some Oakley's and no one would suspect otherwise.

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Postby Cantelo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:33 pm

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Wow that’s a lot of hyperbole there. No, he isn’t a white Latino, his own Wikipedia page even says his mom is Afro-Peruvian. Honestly he looks mestizo to me, which he likely is considering the high amount of mestizos in Peru. I don’t think you really know what a white person looks like


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Looks about the same to me.


Not at all? Look at his facial features, Zimmerman looks indio as hell. Skin color doesn't make a person white/black/asian/whatever, it's a whole lot more than that. If I had never seen him before, I'd think he was an average mestizo from Mexico or Central America.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:33 pm

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Cantelo wrote:
I swear to god I was gonna say the dude looks like a Texas cholo but I wasn't sure if it was gonna be too insensitive.


A simple change of clothes and some Oakley's and no one would suspect otherwise.

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Most of them just look like white guys pretending to be gangster.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:35 pm

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Zimmerman isn’t even white though, I never understood why the media kept pushing that


Zimmerman's a pretty white last name, and his skin tone is that of a tanned white guy. I know he's hispanic, but white hispanics exist.


Zimmerman is half-Hispanic, half-Jewish. Either way, he doesn't fit the archetype of the Anglo white supremacist. White Hispanics exist, but they look like white people (cuz they are):
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And he isn't one of them.

Grenartia wrote:If he isn't white, he definitely gets perceived as white, and therefore treated like it.


He's treated as white because it helps with a narrative. It has done him no benefits.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:36 pm

Gormwood wrote:Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin can easily pay off $100 million clearly. :roll:

And Zimmerman wouldn't have been in a dangerous position if he listened to the operator instead of trying to be an alpha male.


See now I don't know if you're confused about how lawsuits work or whose being sued here.

And Trayvon wouldn't have been in danger if he'd stayed indoors it is just as illegal to be outside as it is to "try to be an alpha male."
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:36 pm

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Let him have his 100 million and stipulate it will be paid 1 dollar a year.

In pennies.

How about a penny a day and he has to go pick up the penny every morning and if he refuses to get it that's a penny he doesn't get.

So he'll have to waste 5 cents of gas to pick up a single penny.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:36 pm

Cantelo wrote:
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Looks about the same to me.


Not at all? Look at his facial features, Zimmerman looks indio as hell. Skin color doesn't make a person white/black/asian/whatever, it's a whole lot more than that. If I had never seen him before, I'd think he was an average mestizo from Mexico or Central America.


I've seen plenty of white people IRL with the same facial features. Skin color is the primary determinant of what race you are perceived as.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:37 pm

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A simple change of clothes and some Oakley's and no one would suspect otherwise.

(Image)


Most of them just look like white guys pretending to be gangster.


This is a picture of actual gang members (taken some time in the early 2000s), so I wouldn't say they're pretending. But it's not like gang members have ever really looked intelligent.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:38 pm

Grenartia wrote:
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A simple change of clothes and some Oakley's and no one would suspect otherwise.

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Most of them just look like white guys pretending to be gangster.


You haven't met many Hispanics have you lol
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Postby Cantelo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:39 pm

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Not at all? Look at his facial features, Zimmerman looks indio as hell. Skin color doesn't make a person white/black/asian/whatever, it's a whole lot more than that. If I had never seen him before, I'd think he was an average mestizo from Mexico or Central America.


I've seen plenty of white people IRL with the same facial features. Skin color is the primary determinant of what race you are perceived as.


Again, not really. Asians are generally pretty light skinned, they're still not white. Same with light skinned mixed people, light-skinned mestizos, etc.

He looks like a mixed Latino, and to say otherwise would just be lying to oneself. Take it from an actual Hispanic; el no es blanco, Zimmerman es un mestizo.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:39 pm

Cantelo wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Image

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Looks about the same to me.


Not at all? Look at his facial features, Zimmerman looks indio as hell. Skin color doesn't make a person white/black/asian/whatever, it's a whole lot more than that. If I had never seen him before, I'd think he was an average mestizo from Mexico or Central America.


Not to mention that Brad Pitt is playing a movie character who is mixed race and is wearing makeup to look as much.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:41 pm

Cantelo wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I've seen plenty of white people IRL with the same facial features. Skin color is the primary determinant of what race you are perceived as.


Again, not really. Asians are generally pretty light skinned, they're still not white. Same with light skinned mixed people, light-skinned mestizos, etc.

He looks like a mixed Latino, and to say otherwise would just be lying to oneself. Take it from an actual Hispanic; el no es blanco, Zimmerman es un mestizo.


Either way, he doesn't look like an Anglo-American white (because he isn't), which is important because those are the people that liberals used this case to dump on.

I.e. why is Zimmerman held up as a condemnation of white America?
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:42 pm

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This is a picture of actual gang members (taken some time in the early 2000s), so I wouldn't say they're pretending. But it's not like gang members have ever really looked intelligent.


I'm wondering if it's more racist to find light skinned people less scary than it is un-racist to have no ability to differentiate between races.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:42 pm

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Most of them just look like white guys pretending to be gangster.


You haven't met many Hispanics have you lol


My elementary school was filled with hispanic kids, actually. Many of them passed for white or were white. Many did not.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:43 pm

Who gives a.. he was told by the police not to keep following and he did and ended up shooting someone, he had a reasonable cause to not carry on and didn't..

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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:43 pm

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This is a picture of actual gang members (taken some time in the early 2000s), so I wouldn't say they're pretending. But it's not like gang members have ever really looked intelligent.


I'm wondering if it's more racist to find light skinned people less scary than it is un-racist to have no ability to differentiate between races.


It's almost like nuance is a thing or something.
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