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..he was guilty and he should not do this
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..he was not guilty but he still shouldn't do this
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..he was guilty but he should do this
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..he was not guilty and should totally do this
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:42 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Would it have been murder if Trayvon had beaten Zimmerman to death if Zimmerman had been unarmed that night?

There lies the question, if he had been unarmed, Trayvon might have been the one doing the murdering that night.

Really it's ironic that it looked like they both foolishly wanted to do the same thing that night, look like a badass by getting someone they thought was bad.


I mean, Trayvon wasn't stalkerishly hunting down Zimmerman on what was practically a racist, murderous bent. It was the other way around, in fact.

But Zimmerman said that the scary black boy started it, so it must be true.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:42 pm

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Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Wow. And I thought trying to sell the gun he shot Trayvon Martin with for $250,000 was the lowest he could sink. He's almost ready for politics!


The Thompson submachine guns use by Bonnie and Clyde went for $1,000,000 in an auction.

OJ Simpson's Bronco has received bids of over $5,000,000

JPMorgan Chase keeps the pistol that Aaron Burr used to kill Alexander Hamilton on display in its headquarters


The two pistols should belong at the Smithsonian. At least the loan them out for major things.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:43 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Would it have been murder if Trayvon had beaten Zimmerman to death if Zimmerman had been unarmed that night?

There lies the question, if he had been unarmed, Trayvon might have been the one doing the murdering that night.

Really it's ironic that it looked like they both foolishly wanted to do the same thing that night, look like a badass by getting someone they thought was bad.


I mean, Trayvon wasn't stalkerishly hunting down Zimmerman on what was practically a racist, murderous bent. It was the other way around, in fact.

Got to enjoy how Martin is depicted as an atavism while ignoring how Zimmerman stalked him to start.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:43 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:If he had survived both of them would be in prison for assault and battery.


Trayvon surviving implies that he probably killed Zimmerman because it was Trayvon who assaulted him first. So instead we've have another case of violent crime committed by a black male but nobody would really care and it wouldn't even be a blip on the local news because we as Americans are so desensitized to this.


Did Alex Jones tell you all that, or are you just assuming the worst of the kid for some other illegitimate reason?
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:43 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I mean, Trayvon wasn't stalkerishly hunting down Zimmerman on what was practically a racist, murderous bent. It was the other way around, in fact.

But Zimmerman said that the scary black boy started it, so it must be true.

Dead Men Tell No Tales, so you can make up shit about them.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:45 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But Zimmerman said that the scary black boy started it, so it must be true.

Dead Men Tell No Tales, so you can make up shit about them.


Zimmerman probably just wanted to reenact the opening to American History X.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:48 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I mean, Trayvon wasn't stalkerishly hunting down Zimmerman on what was practically a racist, murderous bent. It was the other way around, in fact.

But Zimmerman said that the scary black boy started it, so it must be true.


Skittles and canned watermelon fruit juice are clearly deadly weapons when in the hands of somebody committing the heinous crime of wearing a hoodie, which meant that Zimmerman was clearly authorized to ruthlessly gun down a 17-year-old kid after going on a racist tirade to police dispatch over the phone about him.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:48 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I mean, Trayvon wasn't stalkerishly hunting down Zimmerman on what was practically a racist, murderous bent. It was the other way around, in fact.

But Zimmerman said that the scary black boy started it, so it must be true.


I mean, the evidence supported his claims.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:50 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But Zimmerman said that the scary black boy started it, so it must be true.


I mean, the evidence supported his claims.

The evidence of him saying so.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:53 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I mean, the evidence supported his claims.

The evidence of him saying so.


And all the actual evidence for the case lol
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:53 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But Zimmerman said that the scary black boy started it, so it must be true.


I mean, the evidence supported his claims.


Its not like cops have been shown to be generally corrupt and biased against persons of color.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:54 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I mean, the evidence supported his claims.


Its not like cops have been shown to be generally corrupt and biased against persons of color.

Freddie Gray killed himself. *nod*
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:55 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Its not like cops have been shown to be generally corrupt and biased against persons of color.

Freddie Gray killed himself. *nod*


And so did Sandra Bland.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:55 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The evidence of him saying so.


And all the actual evidence for the case lol

So the evidence of him saying so.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:01 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But Zimmerman said that the scary black boy started it, so it must be true.


I mean, the evidence supported his claims.

Yes but even then....

You have some creepy fat guy stalking you walking down the street at night when you're coming back from the store, how the hell did Martin not know that Zimmerman wasn't attempting to rob him or wait until he got to his house before rushing up behind him with a gun and robbing the home?

Or robbing someone elses home and then getting accused of being the accomplice.

Kind of a shitty situation.

Of course turning around to confront him wasn't the wisest course either.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:03 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I mean, the evidence supported his claims.

Yes but even then....

You have some creepy fat guy stalking you walking down the street at night when you're coming back from the store, how the hell did Martin not know that Zimmerman wasn't attempting to rob him or wait until he got to his house before rushing up behind him with a gun and robbing the home?

Or robbing someone elses home and then getting accused of being the accomplice.

Kind of a shitty situation.

Of course turning around to confront him wasn't the wisest course either.


He was 17 and literally being hunted by a dude at night. I don't quite think you'll find very many 17-year-olds capable of rationally deciding the best course of action in such a tense situation.
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Postby Autumn Wind » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:07 pm

If Trayvon killed Zimmerman he could easily have claimed to be “standing his ground” as well.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:09 pm

Autumn Wind wrote:If Trayvon killed Zimmerman he could easily have claimed to be “standing his ground” as well.


Silly goose, stand your ground only applies to white people!
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:09 pm

Autumn Wind wrote:If Trayvon killed Zimmerman he could easily have claimed to be “standing his ground” as well.

He'd have a more plausible rationale given it wasn't him hunting down Zimmerman like a Richard Connell story.
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Postby Cantelo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:09 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Autumn Wind wrote:If Trayvon killed Zimmerman he could easily have claimed to be “standing his ground” as well.


Silly goose, stand your ground only applies to white people!


Zimmerman isn’t even white though, I never understood why the media kept pushing that
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:10 pm

Cantelo wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Silly goose, stand your ground only applies to white people!


Zimmerman isn’t even white though, I never understood why the media kept pushing that

Because he describes himself as white.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:11 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
And all the actual evidence for the case lol

So the evidence of him saying so.

And the fact that the witness testimony, hospital report of his injuries, injuries to Trayvon's knuckles, the fact that the firearm failed to cycle(consistent with be grabbed as Zimmerman testified), grass stains on the back of his jacket, gunpowder scorches on Trayvon's clothes all supported his claim. The alternative is that there was a conspiracy between Zimmerman, the hospital, neighborhood, coroner and police to manufacture evidence of Zimmerman's innocence of a crime which they did not intend to charge him with.

Cantelo wrote:Zimmerman isn’t even white though, I never understood why the media kept pushing that

Ratings By making it a proxy trial for the nations racial issues it becomes more more interesting to the public. Just look at the OJ Simpson trial.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:12 pm

Cantelo wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Silly goose, stand your ground only applies to white people!


Zimmerman isn’t even white though, I never understood why the media kept pushing that


Zimmerman's a pretty white last name, and his skin tone is that of a tanned white guy. I know he's hispanic, but white hispanics exist. Also, white passing exists. If he isn't white, he definitely gets perceived as white, and therefore treated like it.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:16 pm

Aclion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So the evidence of him saying so.

And the fact that the witness testimony, hospital report of his injuries, injuries to Trayvon's knuckles, the fact that the firearm failed to cycle(consistent with be grabbed as Zimmerman testified), grass stains on the back of his jacket, gunpowder scorches on Trayvon's clothes all supported his claim. The alternative is that there was a conspiracy between Zimmerman, the hospital, neighborhood, coroner and police to manufacture evidence of Zimmerman's innocence of a crime which they did not intend to charge him with.

Did you know that gunpowder won't scorch your clothes unless you started the fight in which you are killed? It's true.
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Postby Cantelo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:16 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Cantelo wrote:
Zimmerman isn’t even white though, I never understood why the media kept pushing that


Zimmerman's a pretty white last name, and his skin tone is that of a tanned white guy. I know he's hispanic, but white hispanics exist. Also, white passing exists. If he isn't white, he definitely gets perceived as white, and therefore treated like it.


He does not pass as white, at all lol. Being Hispanic myself I can tell you that the dude looks clearly mixed. My gripe wasn’t that he was Hispanic, because white hispanics and Latinos absolutely exist, he’s just not one of them.
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