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Which Germany was the best?

Current Germany
154
22%
East Germany
69
10%
West Germany
48
7%
Nazi germany
98
14%
Weimar Republic
41
6%
German empire
166
24%
North German Confederation
16
2%
Prussia
21
3%
German Confederation
19
3%
Holy Roman Empire
64
9%
 
Total votes : 696

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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:57 am

Heloin wrote:
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I've read recently a Book about Africa which also covered South-West/Namibia situation in the mid 1980s. It seemed things were getting increasingly chill there, despite some border skirmishes with the MPLA and SWAPO.

Now wildly off topic but if that book is from the mid 80s then it doesn’t know that the peace in 85 evaporated by the end of 85.


August 1985 and yeah it does mentions the war quite a bit and as well various tribal issues and the declining german community.
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Postby Asherahan » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:26 am

North German Realm wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Holy Roman Empire

Uselessly ineffective at doing anything except protecting its own borders.

So a good buffer state.

I mean, it was pretty garbage at doing that too.

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This alone demonstrates that Antifa is not only absolutely necessary but something that should be expanded.

But it did succeed just enough times for people to consider it a good buffer state.
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:31 am

Asherahan wrote:
North German Realm wrote:I mean, it was pretty garbage at doing that too.


This alone demonstrates that Antifa is not only absolutely necessary but something that should be expanded.

But it did succeed just enough times for people to consider it a good buffer state.

The problem with this statement is that it's utterly incorrect. Until 1648 -the point where the Holy Roman Empire stopped being a major power in Europe and the source of prestige and instead it was made formal that it was nothing more than a loose confederation of states that owed allegiance to an Emperor through nothing more than legal fiction- the HRE was not a "buffer", and after that, the existence of the HRE was nothing more than a legal fiction to give the Habsburg rulers some more prestige. And "it" wasn't really that good at being a buffer, given how France, Russia, and -even- Poland colonized those territories of the HRE (de jure or otherwise) that bordered them.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:32 am

Saiwania wrote:
North German Realm wrote:This alone demonstrates that Antifa is not only absolutely necessary but something that should be expanded.


It doesn't really do anything, in that neo-Nazis still do all their usual activities. Just from the shadows instead of openly. We can't all be Communists like most of Antifa wants. An ideology has never successfully been suppressed of destroyed that way if all it takes are some believers that exploit a crisis or certain climate of hard circumstances to boost its popularity and reach- and enough people happen to go for it, if not be tricked into it.


Neo-Nazism is terribly unpopular. The only reason why people go for the nazis is because they are the amongst the very few (visible and active) opposition groups who speak up against certain *cough refugees/mass immigration cough* policies of the liberal western establishment.
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Postby Wardie land » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:40 am

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:33 am

Nakena wrote:Neo-Nazism is terribly unpopular. The only reason why people go for the nazis is because they are the amongst the very few (visible and active) opposition groups who speak up against certain *cough refugees/mass immigration cough* policies of the liberal western establishment.


If supporting the neo-Nazis is what it'd take to protect my nation from undesirable immigration, then so be it. I genuinely hate any people who're immigrating from poor countries. They're changing my country in ways I disapprove of whilst not making their home countries any better, generally speaking. Overthrowing the liberal western establishment's control over the world broadly speaking, is the keystone of everything I strive for in politics.

My vision doesn't include having a racially diverse Europe, Australia, Canada, US, etc. I want certain portions of the world to remain majority White if that is the case now.
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Postby Mafarca » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:42 am

Tfw Prussia is here but not Austria.
I'm surprised there aren't more people that like the pre-2nd Reich Germanies more than Weimar though.

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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:48 am

Saiwania wrote:
Nakena wrote:Neo-Nazism is terribly unpopular. The only reason why people go for the nazis is because they are the amongst the very few (visible and active) opposition groups who speak up against certain *cough refugees/mass immigration cough* policies of the liberal western establishment.


If supporting the neo-Nazis is what it'd take to protect my nation from undesirable immigration, then so be it. I genuinely hate any people who're immigrating from poor countries. They're changing my country in ways I disapprove of whilst not making their home countries any better, generally speaking. Overthrowing the liberal western establishment's control over the world broadly speaking, is the keystone of everything I strive for in politics.

My vision doesn't include having a racially diverse Europe, Australia, Canada, US, etc. I want certain portions of the world to remain majority White if that is the case now.


Hence glorifying the regime that intentionally killed more whites in a shorter amount of time than anyone before or after them and almost single-handedly erased the European countries' ability to influence global politics. Yeah, makes sense.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:54 am

North German Realm wrote:
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The unification of Germany under the yoke of Prussian militarism was a mistake. 1848 was a tragically missed opportunity.

I mean, 1848 would also have unified Germany under the yoke of Prussian militarism. The Prussian king was literally the only guy who got a crown offered to him. Admittedly, a successful 1848 Reich would mean Prussia wouldn't be the only major state in the Empire (Hanover, Bavaria, Austria, and Saxony would probably provide some form of counter-balance which is more than what can be said about the 1871 Empire)


Sure, Prussia would have still ended up in the most influential spot, unavoidable with it being the most populous German kingdom and all. But the Paul's Church Constitution was one of the most progressive and liberal pieces of legislature of its time in terms of civil rights and separation of power.
Furthermore, it would have averted what we got instead, Prussia literally goose-stepping and war-mongering German unification into existence and reducing the rest of Germany into virtually an afterthought to their own agenda.
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Postby Page » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:12 pm

Saiwania wrote:My vision doesn't include having a racially diverse Europe, Australia, Canada, US, etc. I want certain portions of the world to remain majority White if that is the case now.


Just curious, do you care about the demographics of other countries? For example, does it matter to you whether there is Arab, Persian, or Kurdish majority in one Middle Eastern country, or do you care about how many Chinese people are in Malaysia?

If not, what makes the demographics of white people so special?
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:15 pm

Baltenstein wrote:Hence glorifying the regime that intentionally killed more whites in a shorter amount of time than anyone before or after them and almost single-handedly erased the European countries' ability to influence global politics. Yeah, makes sense.


We can't hold the Nazis by modern standards because it was a different world back then. Whites were too plentiful globally speaking, during the mid 20th century or before. But in today's era that's not so much the case anymore. If it were still the 1950s for example, I wouldn't need to care about the current state of Europe and global migration trends because to a large extent, what I don't like now about the state of the world just wasn't happening.

Conversely, nowadays we know that majority White countries are increasingly getting more non-White immigration whilst the majority non-White countries are remaining homogenous or the same as they were before whilst still reproducing too much more often than not- because such countries tend to still be significantly poorer.

Hence, why there is reason for me to worry about the global migration trends now, as opposed to how it was in previous decades. It only really started to go wrong in the US from the 1960s onward.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:47 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:Hence glorifying the regime that intentionally killed more whites in a shorter amount of time than anyone before or after them and almost single-handedly erased the European countries' ability to influence global politics. Yeah, makes sense.


We can't hold the Nazis by modern standards because it was a different world back then. Whites were too plentiful globally speaking, during the mid 20th century or before. But in today's era that's not so much the case anymore. If it were still the 1950s for example, I wouldn't need to care about the current state of Europe and global migration trends because to a large extent, what I don't like now about the state of the world just wasn't happening.

Conversely, nowadays we know that majority White countries are increasingly getting more non-White immigration whilst the majority non-White countries are remaining homogenous or the same as they were before whilst still reproducing too much more often than not- because such countries tend to still be significantly poorer.

Hence, why there is reason for me to worry about the global migration trends now, as opposed to how it was in previous decades. It only really started to go wrong in the US from the 1960s onward.


One this is absurd, because even in the 30s and early 40s, moral standards said genocide was bad.
Two if the Nazis has not killed so many white people, there would be more white people around today! The fact you refuse to hold the Nazis accountable for the consequences of their actions is astounding.

The thing is Nazis never cared about protecting “white people” as a whole. Just certain groups of white people while killing other white people.

Not that I understand your race obsession anyways and I am no “white nationalist”, but the Nazis did not help matters even from the white nationalist viewpoint.
They killed mostly white people, plus they were so disgusting they helped kill the very concepts of racialism. Made the whole concept less politically viable.

Without the Nazis the world would actually be more to your liking, ironically enough.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:42 pm

Saiwania wrote:If supporting the neo-Nazis is what it'd take to protect my nation from undesirable immigration, then so be it. I genuinely hate any people who're immigrating from poor countries. They're changing my country in ways I disapprove of whilst not making their home countries any better, generally speaking. Overthrowing the liberal western establishment's control over the world broadly speaking, is the keystone of everything I strive for in politics.

My vision doesn't include having a racially diverse Europe, Australia, Canada, US, etc. I want certain portions of the world to remain majority White if that is the case now.


It's a bad bargin in my personal experience. But thats me.

I should also add that when the original Nazis and their allies took power in Europe, that it was desastrous at a time when europe was mostly white. So theres that.

Baltenstein wrote:Hence glorifying the regime that intentionally killed more whites in a shorter amount of time than anyone before or after them and almost single-handedly erased the European countries' ability to influence global politics. Yeah, makes sense.


This, pretty much. ^^

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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:53 pm

Best, I'm not sure.

I know which Germany was the grossest.
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Postby Kaltovar » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:19 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:Best, I'm not sure.

I know which Germany was the grossest.


Everyone without Category IV Autism knows that.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:07 am

Kaltovar wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Best, I'm not sure.

I know which Germany was the grossest.


Everyone without Category IV Autism knows that.

Autism relates to political knowledge because?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:23 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Kaltovar wrote:
Everyone without Category IV Autism knows that.

Autism relates to political knowledge because?

Moreover, he missed the joke.
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