Which Germany was the best?

[Novus America]

But I agree. There are a lot of Wehraboo‘s who love the look of the Nazi era military and romanticize it, while overlooking the critical flaws and the fact the regime self destructed in 12 years.

Technically, the party existed in 1919, so before the Nazis even took power; there was at least some time for their merchandise to proliferate and for various designs/aesthetics to be developed. There are actually 25 years where the Nazi party could produce items for various purposes. It exploded in prominence and popularity only after 1933, that is true. But they did indeed use uniforms they could source from whatever was easiest- such as the surplus German uniforms from when Germany had African colonies. Before having the backing of any state apparatus and wealthy industrialists/businessmen like Hugo Boss.

Well yeah, they had a cool look. Again that does not forgive the fact the were genocidal maniacs who reduced Germany to ruins after only 12 years in power.

[Derika]

West Germany wasn't in any conflicts if I remember correctly.

I also wasn't trying to defend the German military during WW2. I was just saying that some people may be focused on the military aspect of these choices.

West Germany was the lynchpin of the defense against the Soviets in the European theater of the Cold War. Not a shooting war but sometimes the best military is the one who never has to shoit because deterrence is often better than getting in shooting wars.

But I agree. There are a lot of Wehraboo‘s who love the look of the Nazi era military and romanticize it, while overlooking the critical flaws and the fact the regime self destructed in 12 years.

Yeah that's true

[Baltenstein]

The problem is you apply a rose tinted view, and like Nazi Germany as you imagined it was, not as it actually was.

I don't know for certain if that is the case. But I'd think that with a different leader that Nazism could've been more of a success. If we're to recognize that Hitler's vision was a failure and can't be salvaged enough with minor or major tweaks, there is still one other major variant that hasn't been tried that is perhaps worth pursuing.

Gregor Strasser had a separate faction/vision within the NSDAP that lost out because of the Night of the Long Knives. If they got control instead, we don't know if it'd still fail or not.

Seeing how the closest thing resembling Strasserism in RL were regimes like Hoxha's Albania, Ceacescu's Romania and North Korea, it is a safe bet that it would have also massively sucked altough probably without kickstarting a world war while doing so.

[Baltenstein]

First Reich (HRE) = Best Reich

The unification of Germany was a mistake. Freaking Napoleon.

The unification of Germany under the yoke of Prussian militarism was a mistake. 1848 was a tragically missed opportunity.

[LRON]

Pre-Wilhelm II Imperial Germany was splendid as was the HRE during its heydey. I am also rather fond of the old GDR. Now those guys really knew their stuff. And they were not as apprehensive towards being proud of Germany's past, which you would think would be the case given they were dominated by the USSR for so long. To this day you can tell the difference between Germans from these two areas and it comes as no surprise to me that eastern Germans are more attracted to political parties more overtly nationalistic and proud of Germany's history.

[North German Realm]

First Reich (HRE) = Best Reich

The unification of Germany was a mistake. Freaking Napoleon.

The unification of Germany under the yoke of Prussian militarism was a mistake. 1848 was a tragically missed opportunity.

I mean, 1848 would also have unified Germany under the yoke of Prussian militarism. The Prussian king was literally the only guy who got a crown offered to him. Admittedly, a successful 1848 Reich would mean Prussia wouldn't be the only major state in the Empire (Hanover, Bavaria, Austria, and Saxony would probably provide some form of counter-balance which is more than what can be said about the 1871 Empire)

[Asherahan]

Holy Roman Empire

Uselessly ineffective at doing anything except protecting its own borders.

So a good buffer state.

[Nimzonia]

Never mind the 94 edgelords giggling to themselves at how naughty they are for ticking the Nazi box,

Perhaps they were focused on more of the military perspective.

What, where they instigated and lost the most devastating war in world history, resulting in the death of 8% of their population and a third of the country being ruled as a Soviet puppet state for 40 years?

[Derika]

Perhaps they were focused on more of the military perspective.

What, where they instigated and lost the most devastating war in world history, resulting in the death of 8% of their population and a third of the country being ruled as a Soviet puppet state for 40 years?

I said that the voters of the Third Reich were probably focused on the military, which was probably the best of its time. Even though his military wasn't that motorized, it still overcame France in weeks.

[Nakena]

What, where they instigated and lost the most devastating war in world history, resulting in the death of 8% of their population and a third of the country being ruled as a Soviet puppet state for 40 years?

I said that the voters of the Third Reich were probably focused on the military, which was probably the best of its time. Even though his military wasn't that motorized, it still overcame France in weeks.

Something I noticed about dedicated nazis (I say nazi's here who are about the JQ not other kind of NatSoc or Wehraboo) is that they are remarkably low key when it comes to displays of Nazi aesthetics or wehrmacht-fanboyism.

[Saiwania]

Something I noticed about dedicated nazis (I say nazi's here who are about the JQ not other kind of NatSoc or Wehraboo) is that they are remarkably low key when it comes to displays of Nazi aesthetics or wehrmacht-fanboyism.

If you're too obvious about liking Nazism, you make yourself a target for Antifa more than necessary. Its better to be low key for certain things. At least until a neo-Nazi government takes power somewhere in the world.

[North German Realm]

Holy Roman Empire

Uselessly ineffective at doing anything except protecting its own borders.

So a good buffer state.

I mean, it was pretty garbage at doing that too.

Something I noticed about dedicated nazis (I say nazi's here who are about the JQ not other kind of NatSoc or Wehraboo) is that they are remarkably low key when it comes to displays of Nazi aesthetics or wehrmacht-fanboyism.

If you're too obvious about liking Nazism, you make yourself a target for Antifa more than necessary. Its better to be low key for certain things. At least until a neo-Nazi government takes power somewhere in the world.

This alone demonstrates that Antifa is not only absolutely necessary but something that should be expanded.

[Saiwania]

This alone demonstrates that Antifa is not only absolutely necessary but something that should be expanded.

It doesn't really do anything, in that neo-Nazis still do all their usual activities. Just from the shadows instead of openly. We can't all be Communists like most of Antifa wants. An ideology has never successfully been suppressed of destroyed that way if all it takes are some believers that exploit a crisis or certain climate of hard circumstances to boost its popularity and reach- and enough people happen to go for it, if not be tricked into it.

[Bear Stearns]

The one with Germans in it

[North German Realm]

This alone demonstrates that Antifa is not only absolutely necessary but something that should be expanded.

It doesn't really do anything, in that neo-Nazis still do all their usual activities. Just from the shadows instead of openly. We can't all be Communists like most of Antifa wants. An ideology has never successfully been suppressed of destroyed that way if all it takes are some believers that exploit a crisis or certain climate of hard circumstances to boost its popularity and reach- and enough people happen to go for it, if not be tricked into it.

Just that you don't pollute the society with your ridiculous so-called ideology and just suffer in the comfort of your own homes (and echo chambers) is a success tho.

[Heloin]

The one with Germans in it

Namibia.

[North German Realm]

The one with Germans in it

Namibia.

Wait Namibia actually still has Germans in it? I mean like, in a noticeable quantity.

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Namibia.

Wait Namibia actually still has Germans in it? I mean like, in a noticeable quantity.

According to Wikipedia, the white population of Namibia is at least 4% and at most 7%, and many of them are Germans. I have also read that these communities still retain a lot of German culture.

I would really like to go on holiday there, it seems like an interesting place, and it would be cool to see all those shipwrecks on its desert coast. I wonder if I met any Germans there if I could even understand them or if their dialect is too divergent for me, sometimes I have a hard enough time understanding Austrians.

[Heloin]

Namibia.

Wait Namibia actually still has Germans in it? I mean like, in a noticeable quantity.

They’re a third of the whites. Have there own newspaper and everything. Cousin who moved to Lüderitz married a German Namibian.

[Senkaku]

Namibia.

Wait Namibia actually still has Germans in it? I mean like, in a noticeable quantity.

Well, whether or not it still has Germans, it sure has a lot less Africans thanks to their work

[Nakena]

South-West was also for many years a South African Protectorate.

[Heloin]

South-West was also for many years a South African Protectorate.

That’s a kind way to put it.

[Nakena]

South-West was also for many years a South African Protectorate.

That’s a kind way to put it.

I've read recently a Book about Africa which also covered South-West/Namibia situation in the mid 1980s. It seemed things were getting increasingly chill there, despite some border skirmishes with the MPLA and SWAPO.

[Heloin]

That’s a kind way to put it.

I've read recently a Book about Africa which also covered South-West/Namibia situation in the mid 1980s. It seemed things were getting increasingly chill there, despite some border skirmishes with the MPLA and SWAPO.

Now wildly off topic but if that book is from the mid 80s then it doesn’t know that the peace in 85 evaporated by the end of 85.

[North German Realm]

Wait Namibia actually still has Germans in it? I mean like, in a noticeable quantity.

Well, whether or not it still has Germans, it sure has a lot less Africans thanks to their work

Sure, but that's neither what I asked, not what was originally brought up.