Illinois City Creates Reparations Programme

[Ifreann]

I'll ask you what I've been asking I don't know how many other people in this thread. How do you reverse centuries of discrimination against black people without ever targeting assistance to black people? Abolishing slavery doesn't repair the harms done by slavery. Enfranchising black Americans doesn't repair the harms done by disenfranchising them. Ending desegregation doesn't repair the harms done by segregation, and doesn't desegregate schools or communities.

Yes, you help them with targeted help.

My question is: can't we extend this to all communities who need help? All communities who have suffered in the past? Black people aren't unique in this: throughout the history of the US, various minorities have been screwed over and harmed.

Helping black people is great, but we should help all people who have suffered greatly and are now in a poor position because of that.

So, I guess my complaint is more "why stop here?" rather than "why do this?". Help all the communities that have been screwed over in some way.

Sounds good.

[The Emerald Legion]

No. That's utterly idiotic.

Pull yourself up by the bootstraps is a euphemism for standing up from a sitting position by just reaching forward. Typically your hands will end up around where your feet are.

Lol.

It's basically saying "Do something."

It's really not, but even if it were, that's still dumb as hell.

And bullshit. My Grandfather went from having nothing, from being forced to eat marrow bones for supper, to being comfortably wealthy. And he wasn't the only one.

Lots of other people's grandfathers didn't escape poverty. Cos it's really fucking hard.

If I told you that it's really hard to win Olympic gold, would you start listing people who did win Olympic gold? Do you think that would contradict me?

And? Not dying in a car crash is hard. People do it all the time.

[New Bremerton]

My country has a shameful and continuing history of racially motivated quotas and affirmative action, punishing an entire ethnic minority, namely mine, for being historically richer than the majority group. Reparations would be an even bigger slap in the face to those of us who have done absolutely nothing to deserve this and benefit those who have done nothing to earn their special place in society. Cronyism, corruption and near-total economic bankruptcy are the final by-product.

Fuck reparations and affirmative action. This is nothing more than vindictive, officially-sanctioned racial discrimination dressed up as "social justice" that punishes whites and especially Asian-Americans who have done nothing wrong, and benefits blacks and Hispanics who have done nothing to deserve any kind of free privileges, quotas, and handouts. The Democrats will suffer badly in the polls if they keep it up with this far-left, virtue-signaling, identitarian bullshit. What next, highly-qualified Asian-American prospective college students being passed over for less qualified candidates purely on account of their race?

[Proctopeo]

A half-baked idea with a stupid, inaccurate, and inflammatory name. Given that it's Evanston, though, I doubt anything will actually happen.

[Rojava Free State]

Can't we just help all poor people? Or, if it's based on whether or not that person's family suffered greatly in the past, leaving them poor in the modern day, open it to everyone whose families suffered greatly in the past?

It seems the "black only" is somewhat counterproductive if the goal is to help people on the basis of something other than them being black, considering you'll cut out people who'd otherwise qualify but aren't black and include people who don't need help but get access to it because they're black.

I don't particularly oppose this scheme, though. Helping people is a good thing.

I'll ask you what I've been asking I don't know how many other people in this thread. How do you reverse centuries of discrimination against black people without ever targeting assistance to black people? Abolishing slavery doesn't repair the harms done by slavery. Enfranchising black Americans doesn't repair the harms done by disenfranchising them. Ending desegregation doesn't repair the harms done by segregation, and doesn't desegregate schools or communities.

Name me a specific issue that we gotta specifically target black America for. Ending black poverty can be done by ending poverty in general

[Rojava Free State]

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Pa ... ginia.html

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Hu ... ginia.html

Just a couple links for people who think poor white people are immune to violent crime and only black people do it. Huntington and parkersburg are both over 90% white and are very dangerous communities in appalachia.

Here's a couple articles about Huntington specifically:

https://wchstv.com/news/local/national- ... huntington

https://www.foxnews.com/health/west-vir ... oid-crisis

[United Usonia]

I think it would be much more productive if we increased aid to poor individuals and families without focusing on race.

[Insaanistan]

My country has a shameful and continuing history of racially motivated quotas and affirmative action, punishing an entire ethnic minority, namely mine, for being historically richer than the majority group. Reparations would be an even bigger slap in the face to those of us who have done absolutely nothing to deserve this and benefit those who have done nothing to earn their special place in society. Cronyism, corruption and near-total economic bankruptcy are the final by-product.

Fuck reparations and affirmative action. This is nothing more than vindictive, officially-sanctioned racial discrimination dressed up as "social justice" that punishes whites and especially Asian-Americans who have done nothing wrong, and benefits blacks and Hispanics who have done nothing to deserve any kind of free privileges, quotas, and handouts. The Democrats will suffer badly in the polls if they keep it up with this far-left, virtue-signaling, identitarian bullshit. What next, highly-qualified Asian-American prospective college students being passed over for less qualified candidates purely on account of their race?

Hello Brother,
This is not far left. This is simply one way to accommodate African-American families, who's ancestors were kidnapped, transferred across the ocean in subhuman conditions, treated like cattle, and bought and sold across the nation. Separating them from their families and erasing their culture. As for Hispanics, have you ever considered the fact that an extremely large amount of "American" land was stolen from Mexico in wars we provoked due to a lust for land and resources, and the flaw ideology stating that Christianity gives right to have power over the whole American continent. Perhaps this would have been solved already if people like you didn't have so much power in government during and after Lincoln's presidency, determined not to face consequences for the evils they had committed. Maybe black and brown people would "do stuff to deserve it" if the system wasn't constantly working against them, with uneven playing fields being the norm. I doubt, however, that this will do anything but inflame your ignorance and hatred, seen as this was likely indoctrinated in you from an early age.

[Ifreann]

Lol.


It's really not, but even if it were, that's still dumb as hell.


Lots of other people's grandfathers didn't escape poverty. Cos it's really fucking hard.

If I told you that it's really hard to win Olympic gold, would you start listing people who did win Olympic gold? Do you think that would contradict me?

And? Not dying in a car crash is hard. People do it all the time.

Okay?

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My country has a shameful and continuing history of racially motivated quotas and affirmative action, punishing an entire ethnic minority, namely mine, for being historically richer than the majority group. Reparations would be an even bigger slap in the face to those of us who have done absolutely nothing to deserve this and benefit those who have done nothing to earn their special place in society. Cronyism, corruption and near-total economic bankruptcy are the final by-product.

Fuck reparations and affirmative action. This is nothing more than vindictive, officially-sanctioned racial discrimination dressed up as "social justice" that punishes whites and especially Asian-Americans who have done nothing wrong, and benefits blacks and Hispanics who have done nothing to deserve any kind of free privileges, quotas, and handouts. The Democrats will suffer badly in the polls if they keep it up with this far-left, virtue-signaling, identitarian bullshit. What next, highly-qualified Asian-American prospective college students being passed over for less qualified candidates purely on account of their race?

It's a sales tax on weed, they're not punishing anyone.

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A half-baked idea with a stupid, inaccurate, and inflammatory name. Given that it's Evanston, though, I doubt anything will actually happen.

They've already decided to do it.

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I'll ask you what I've been asking I don't know how many other people in this thread. How do you reverse centuries of discrimination against black people without ever targeting assistance to black people? Abolishing slavery doesn't repair the harms done by slavery. Enfranchising black Americans doesn't repair the harms done by disenfranchising them. Ending desegregation doesn't repair the harms done by segregation, and doesn't desegregate schools or communities.

Name me a specific issue that we gotta specifically target black America for. Ending black poverty can be done by ending poverty in general

Reversing discrimination against black people.

[New Bremerton]

My country has a shameful and continuing history of racially motivated quotas and affirmative action, punishing an entire ethnic minority, namely mine, for being historically richer than the majority group. Reparations would be an even bigger slap in the face to those of us who have done absolutely nothing to deserve this and benefit those who have done nothing to earn their special place in society. Cronyism, corruption and near-total economic bankruptcy are the final by-product.

Fuck reparations and affirmative action. This is nothing more than vindictive, officially-sanctioned racial discrimination dressed up as "social justice" that punishes whites and especially Asian-Americans who have done nothing wrong, and benefits blacks and Hispanics who have done nothing to deserve any kind of free privileges, quotas, and handouts. The Democrats will suffer badly in the polls if they keep it up with this far-left, virtue-signaling, identitarian bullshit. What next, highly-qualified Asian-American prospective college students being passed over for less qualified candidates purely on account of their race?

Hello Brother,
This is not far left. This is simply one way to accommodate African-American families, who's ancestors were kidnapped, transferred across the ocean in subhuman conditions, treated like cattle, and bought and sold across the nation. Separating them from their families and erasing their culture. As for Hispanics, have you ever considered the fact that an extremely large amount of "American" land was stolen from Mexico in wars we provoked due to a lust for land and resources, and the flaw ideology stating that Christianity gives right to have power over the whole American continent. Perhaps this would have been solved already if people like you didn't have so much power in government during and after Lincoln's presidency, determined not to face consequences for the evils they had committed. Maybe black and brown people would "do stuff to deserve it" if the system wasn't constantly working against them, with uneven playing fields being the norm. I doubt, however, that this will do anything but inflame your ignorance and hatred, seen as this was likely indoctrinated in you from an early age.

Nice strawman. I don't live in the United States and I'm not American, white, Christian and have never held any political office, and I'm too young to have lived during Lincoln's time. I'm Malaysian Chinese. The economic system you refer to works against ALL poor people regardless of race or religion. Affirmative action should be class-based, not race-based. Race-based affirmative action and reparations are purely vindictive and only serve to breed resentment, corruption, cronyism and a culture of sloth among the beneficiaries. Affirmative action, quotas and free handouts for ethnic Malays and Muslims nearly bankrupted the Malaysian economy when a handful of Malays grew filthy rich while the rest remain in limbo to be brainwashed into demanding yet more free handouts. The hard work of the Malaysian Chinese and the much poorer Malaysian Indians who are required to pay for the Malays' free welfare is completely undermined. It's no longer about equality of opportunity, but equality of outcome.

In America, reparations will ensure that poor whites will be kicked while they are down while rich blacks prosper. This will not end well for Americans, especially blacks.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

Hello Brother,
This is not far left. This is simply one way to accommodate African-American families, who's ancestors were kidnapped, transferred across the ocean in subhuman conditions, treated like cattle, and bought and sold across the nation. Separating them from their families and erasing their culture. As for Hispanics, have you ever considered the fact that an extremely large amount of "American" land was stolen from Mexico in wars we provoked due to a lust for land and resources, and the flaw ideology stating that Christianity gives right to have power over the whole American continent. Perhaps this would have been solved already if people like you didn't have so much power in government during and after Lincoln's presidency, determined not to face consequences for the evils they had committed. Maybe black and brown people would "do stuff to deserve it" if the system wasn't constantly working against them, with uneven playing fields being the norm. I doubt, however, that this will do anything but inflame your ignorance and hatred, seen as this was likely indoctrinated in you from an early age.

Nice strawman. I don't live in the United States and I'm not American, white, Christian and have never held any political office, and I'm too young to have lived during Lincoln's time. I'm Malaysian Chinese. The economic system you refer to works against ALL poor people regardless of race or religion. Affirmative action should be class-based, not race-based. Race-based affirmative action and reparations are purely vindictive and only serve to breed resentment, corruption, cronyism and a culture of sloth among the beneficiaries. Affirmative action, quotas and free handouts for ethnic Malays and Muslims nearly bankrupted the Malaysian economy when a handful of Malays grew filthy rich while the rest remain in limbo to be brainwashed into demanding yet more free handouts. The hard work of the Malaysian Chinese and the much poorer Malaysian Indians who are required to pay for the Malays' free welfare is completely undermined. It's no longer about equality of opportunity, but equality of outcome.

In America, reparations will ensure that poor whites will be kicked while they are down while rich blacks prosper. This will not end well for Americans, especially blacks.

Reparations should be thought of as a policy alternative to race-based affirmative action, which does jack xiet at solving the underlying issues of blacks and Latinos underperformance. The problem with that is African Americans aren’t even the main beneficiaries of affirmative action in college admissions (in practice it’s more like white women vs Asian Americans).

I agree with your criticisms of Malaysia’s bumiputra policies, but comparing Malaysia’s racial and ethnic situation to the urban US is kind of a strawman.

[Insaanistan]

Hello Brother,
This is not far left. This is simply one way to accommodate African-American families, who's ancestors were kidnapped, transferred across the ocean in subhuman conditions, treated like cattle, and bought and sold across the nation. Separating them from their families and erasing their culture. As for Hispanics, have you ever considered the fact that an extremely large amount of "American" land was stolen from Mexico in wars we provoked due to a lust for land and resources, and the flaw ideology stating that Christianity gives right to have power over the whole American continent. Perhaps this would have been solved already if people like you didn't have so much power in government during and after Lincoln's presidency, determined not to face consequences for the evils they had committed. Maybe black and brown people would "do stuff to deserve it" if the system wasn't constantly working against them, with uneven playing fields being the norm. I doubt, however, that this will do anything but inflame your ignorance and hatred, seen as this was likely indoctrinated in you from an early age.

Nice strawman. I don't live in the United States and I'm not American, white, Christian and have never held any political office, and I'm too young to have lived during Lincoln's time. I'm Malaysian Chinese. The economic system you refer to works against ALL poor people regardless of race or religion. Affirmative action should be class-based, not race-based. Race-based affirmative action and reparations are purely vindictive and only serve to breed resentment, corruption, cronyism and a culture of sloth among the beneficiaries. Affirmative action, quotas and free handouts for ethnic Malays and Muslims nearly bankrupted the Malaysian economy when a handful of Malays grew filthy rich while the rest remain in limbo to be brainwashed into demanding yet more free handouts. The hard work of the Malaysian Chinese and the much poorer Malaysian Indians who are required to pay for the Malays' free welfare is completely undermined. It's no longer about equality of opportunity, but equality of outcome.

In America, reparations will ensure that poor whites will be kicked while they are down while rich blacks prosper. This will not end well for Americans, especially blacks.

Hello Brother,
Where in my passage does it explicitly insinuate that YOU are white, Christian and American (or alive in the mid-late 1800’s, for that matter)? The system disadvantages all people who are poor, yes, but more strongly so blacks and Latinos.

[Rojava Free State]

Nice strawman. I don't live in the United States and I'm not American, white, Christian and have never held any political office, and I'm too young to have lived during Lincoln's time. I'm Malaysian Chinese. The economic system you refer to works against ALL poor people regardless of race or religion. Affirmative action should be class-based, not race-based. Race-based affirmative action and reparations are purely vindictive and only serve to breed resentment, corruption, cronyism and a culture of sloth among the beneficiaries. Affirmative action, quotas and free handouts for ethnic Malays and Muslims nearly bankrupted the Malaysian economy when a handful of Malays grew filthy rich while the rest remain in limbo to be brainwashed into demanding yet more free handouts. The hard work of the Malaysian Chinese and the much poorer Malaysian Indians who are required to pay for the Malays' free welfare is completely undermined. It's no longer about equality of opportunity, but equality of outcome.

In America, reparations will ensure that poor whites will be kicked while they are down while rich blacks prosper. This will not end well for Americans, especially blacks.

Hello Brother,
Where in my passage does it explicitly insinuate that YOU are white, Christian and American (or alive in the mid-late 1800’s, for that matter)? The system disadvantages all people who are poor, yes, but more strongly so blacks and Latinos.

Since blacks and Latinos are dispassionately poor, classism takes over where racism left off

[West Leas Oros 2]

I think it would be much more productive if we increased aid to poor individuals and families without focusing on race.

Be careful advocating for these sorts of ideas, people might call you a class reductionist brocialist for not being woke enough! You aren’t being identitarian, you reactionary!

[Rojava Free State]

I think it would be much more productive if we increased aid to poor individuals and families without focusing on race.

Be careful advocating for these sorts of ideas, people might call you a class reductionist brocialist for not being woke enough! You aren’t being identitarian, you reactionary!

Me: why don't we help all poor people?

The woke crowd: YOU THINK WE SHOULDN'T HELP BLACK PEOPLE!