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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:57 am

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That it is a spectrum and not everyone is high-functioning and just ever so different from neurotypical people. A lot of people with autism are non-verbal, or face other significant challenges that can, in fact, be classified as disabilities.


It's literally a symptomatic diagnosis, something that would be impossible without symptoms.

And symptoms would vary, no?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:59 am

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It's literally a symptomatic diagnosis, something that would be impossible without symptoms.

And symptoms would vary, no?


Uh, yes, and?
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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:And symptoms would vary, no?


Uh, yes, and?

Your statement seemed to imply otherwise...
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:02 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
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Uh, yes, and?

Your statement seemed to imply otherwise...


Don't see how, but okay...
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:03 am

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That it is a spectrum and not everyone is high-functioning and just ever so different from neurotypical people. A lot of people with autism are non-verbal, or face other significant challenges that can, in fact, be classified as disabilities.

Sure, but I haven’t encountered such people in my daily experience, so I don’t see your point? Sure, they exist, but how is that relevant to us posting on this thread, whether it’s me, Lotharia, or whoever else, this seems beyond the scope of the debate at hand.


My point was to show you why you're wrong when you said it wasn't a disability.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:06 am

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Sure, but I haven’t encountered such people in my daily experience, so I don’t see your point? Sure, they exist, but how is that relevant to us posting on this thread, whether it’s me, Lotharia, or whoever else, this seems beyond the scope of the debate at hand.


My point was to show you why you're wrong when you said it wasn't a disability.

I meant in more of a specific sense as opposed to a general one...
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:28 am

This sounds like a well-intentioned policy that may have been applied too broadly.

A hideously scarred burn victim sharing their story to try to educate people about safety should be allowed to do that without any interference.

Or if some deformed dude is snowboarding or something, OK, let people watch his snowboard video.

But if you've got a video of someone that is mentally disabled and might not understand that they are on camera, and the video makes them look stupid, I can understand not wanting to let that go viral.

I'm not a big social media person and I never used TikTok anyway. It's not that I'm worried about using it, just never saw the appeal. I don't think social media is obligated to be neutral, but people should learn not to rely on it too heavily to shape their perception of reality.
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Postby Radiatia » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:36 am

So I have absolutely no idea what Tik Tok is or what it does (hell, I'm still confused over what the hell Instagram is supposed to be) but I have heard absolutely nothing but negativity about it during the rare occasions in which I do hear about it.

I'm assuming it's an app or a website, designed possibly by Satan himself to be as evil as something can possibly be?
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Postby Blueflarst » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:40 am

Call me weak if you want but if i were to see videos with people with facial problems and illness i would left the applications.
I would want to know the real number of you wanting to see deformed faces
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Postby Xuloqoia » Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:08 am

Radiatia wrote:So I have absolutely no idea what Tik Tok is or what it does (hell, I'm still confused over what the hell Instagram is supposed to be) but I have heard absolutely nothing but negativity about it during the rare occasions in which I do hear about it.

I'm assuming it's an app or a website, designed possibly by Satan himself to be as evil as something can possibly be?


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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:18 am

Blueflarst wrote:Call me weak if you want but if i were to see videos with people with facial problems and illness i would left the applications.
I would want to know the real number of you wanting to see deformed faces


The rule was regarding disabilities/conditions of any sort, some of which you wouldn't even notice unless they stated it in the video. You make it sound like a Victorian circus.
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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:37 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
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Based on this and other statements, I don't think you know nearly as much about autism as you think you do. In short:



Educate yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum

I literally have autism but okay

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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:39 am

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Know better? I don’t follow what you’re getting at?


That it is a spectrum and not everyone is high-functioning and just ever so different from neurotypical people. A lot of people with autism are non-verbal, or face other significant challenges that can, in fact, be classified as disabilities.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:00 am

In general China tends to heavily regulate access to the internet and perceived 'morally degrading' content. As such, of course a Chinese company would want to restrict the visibility of disabled individuals. It would perfectly in line with the social policies and viewpoints of their society and government.
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Postby Gim » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:35 am

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Postby Gorbehstan » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:57 am

For the sake of both the Chinese people and yourself please do not use any electronics or software from Occupied China until it becomes democratic.

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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:40 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:In general China tends to heavily regulate access to the internet and perceived 'morally degrading' content. As such, of course a Chinese company would want to restrict the visibility of disabled individuals. It would perfectly in line with the social policies and viewpoints of their society and government.


Not necessarily.

When I was teaching English in China, there were a couple of classes where they put disruptive mentally disabled students in the same class with everyone else instead of using special needs classes. And I don't just mean kids with mild learning disabilities, I mean kids that were non-functional and would act out in class disrupting everyone else's education. I was told that they could not put special needs students in separate classes because that would be discriminatory and they did not want to discriminate against the disabled.

So treating the disabled differently is a departure from that.
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I’m confused by them doing that because it does not seem to serve their interests or the interests of the dictatorship at all.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:38 am

Gorbehstan wrote:I’m confused by them doing that because it does not seem to serve their interests or the interests of the dictatorship at all.

It serves the interests of their monitored, censored, and restricted society. Moral degradation does not have a place among the main Chinese society. And due to the orthodoxy of Chinese tradition, those who were naturally outcasts of society are considered morally degrading to the fabric of society. Hence, why disabled people aren't treated the same across China.
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Greater Cesnica wrote:
Gorbehstan wrote:I’m confused by them doing that because it does not seem to serve their interests or the interests of the dictatorship at all.

It serves the interests of their monitored, censored, and restricted society. Moral degradation does not have a place among the main Chinese society. And due to the orthodoxy of Chinese tradition, those who were naturally outcasts of society are considered morally degrading to the fabric of society. Hence, why disabled people aren't treated the same across China.


We are talking about the international version of TikTok, right?

Wait. If it is the Chinese version then the motivation is very clear. TikTok simply does not want people to see negative stuff so that they are less likely to rebel against Xi.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:50 pm

Why not just publish the names, faces, and locations of the assholes bullying the disabled users?
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Postby Andsed » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:41 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Why not just publish the names, faces, and locations of the assholes bullying the disabled users?

Because the fact that someone is being an asshole does not mean it is okay to doxx them.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:23 am

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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Why not just publish the names, faces, and locations of the assholes bullying the disabled users?

Because the fact that someone is being an asshole does not mean it is okay to doxx them.

China probably doesn't have the same moral qualms as you...
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:33 am

Andsed wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Why not just publish the names, faces, and locations of the assholes bullying the disabled users?

Because the fact that someone is being an asshole does not mean it is okay to doxx them.


I agree, and I say that as someone who is autistic and thus a likely target of said assholes. If you doxx someone then you become an even bigger asshole.
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