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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:37 pm

Propheticum wrote:
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You say banning works just fine, but I'm curious if we have any actual indication of this.

Because we're literally on a sight with an active moderation team that RKOs trolls and slimeballs.


I don't have a TikTok account or whatever.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:00 pm

you know you are getting old when didnt hear about tiktok until it got big and still cant be bothered to know how it works :o

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Postby Propheticum » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:21 pm

Telconi wrote:
Propheticum wrote:Because we're literally on a sight with an active moderation team that RKOs trolls and slimeballs.


I don't have a TikTok account or whatever.

Then why are you advocating to expose kids' address, phone number, family, ect. When you've never even used it. Boomer tier solutions.

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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:30 pm

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I don't have a TikTok account or whatever.

Then why are you advocating to expose kids' address, phone number, family, ect. When you've never even used it. Boomer tier solutions.


Because people are jackasses in places other than just the internet.
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Postby Propheticum » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
Propheticum wrote:Then why are you advocating to expose kids' address, phone number, family, ect. When you've never even used it. Boomer tier solutions.


Because people are jackasses in places other than just the internet.

What does that even....

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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:35 pm

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Telconi wrote:
Because people are jackasses in places other than just the internet.

What does that even....


Care to finish the thought?
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Postby Maineiacs » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:40 pm

I've never heard of this site until now, and I wouldn't have used it regardless, nonetheless, they and China can kiss my crippled ass. :mad:
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Postby DACOROMANIA » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:58 pm

I wonder why humans at all the time choose to do same things and choices.

The logic behind "The best way to protect the Disabled people is to prohibit them from posting or as users" shows the very bizarre i-logic perspective for a logical mind. :shock: :eek: :?

Hm... Ask that vulcanian Spock from Star Trek and he will tell you the logical perspective if you don't believe. Or simply, ask the logic. It's a (weird) interesting philosophical perspective.

"TikTok Deliberately Suppressed Videos by Disabled Users"... why? because they usually face bully and harassment. This is a nice answer and motivation.
The best to protect them is to hunt them. Yes, "hunt" their posts, otherwise they face bullying.

The question is if humans are enough "smart" to find a solution to this issue. Or simply just talk on the subject.
TikTok surely will continue his work as before and as forward.

How to solve this issue? It's very simple. Still don't know?
Then I wonder if the world goes back to 1938's drama.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:39 am

Andsed wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:How is that fair to people who, even in their teen years, knew right from wrong? Do they get nothing for this?

Nope. Being mature is not something we need to reward. Just like how there is no need to doxx someone(and likely expose them to IRL harassment) for being immature and trolling. Banning works just fine, no need to doxx people.

You keep asserting that "banning works just fine" yet you've yet to address how this prevents them from finding somewhere else to be an asshole again and again and again.

Better to fight the source of the problem.
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How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Andsed » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:44 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Andsed wrote:Nope. Being mature is not something we need to reward. Just like how there is no need to doxx someone(and likely expose them to IRL harassment) for being immature and trolling. Banning works just fine, no need to doxx people.

You keep asserting that "banning works just fine" yet you've yet to address how this prevents them from finding somewhere else to be an asshole again and again and again.

Better to fight the source of the problem.

Simple. The trolls can be banned on those sites as well. Their trolls Lima, aka a bunch of teenagers being assholes because shocker teens tend to be immature assholes. Most grow out of it once they get older. No need to expose them to IRL harassment by doxxing them.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:39 am

Andsed wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:You keep asserting that "banning works just fine" yet you've yet to address how this prevents them from finding somewhere else to be an asshole again and again and again.

Better to fight the source of the problem.

Simple. The trolls can be banned on those sites as well. Their trolls Lima, aka a bunch of teenagers being assholes because shocker teens tend to be immature assholes. Most grow out of it once they get older. No need to expose them to IRL harassment by doxxing them.


Also "trolls" aren't a hivemind; one person's troll could be another person's advocate. For example there are plenty of autistic rights advocates who some (especially pro-cure parents) may deem to be trolls because they have dared to stand up to prejudice.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:47 am

Andsed wrote:Simple. The trolls can be banned on those sites as well.

Only after they've already engaged in their trolling.


Andsed wrote:Their trolls Lima, aka a unch of teenagers being assholes because shocker teens tend to be immature assholes.

An absurd stereotype, at best. Plenty of teenagers are civilized people. The ones who aren't have revealed themselves to be uncivilized not because they're teenagers, but because they, as individuals, are simply uncivilized people.


Andsed wrote:Most grow out of it once they get older. No need to expose them to IRL harassment by doxxing them.

What makes you so sure?
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Maineiacs » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:34 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Andsed wrote:Simple. The trolls can be banned on those sites as well.

Only after they've already engaged in their trolling.


Andsed wrote:Their trolls Lima, aka a unch of teenagers being assholes because shocker teens tend to be immature assholes.

An absurd stereotype, at best. Plenty of teenagers are civilized people. The ones who aren't have revealed themselves to be uncivilized not because they're teenagers, but because they, as individuals, are simply uncivilized people.


Andsed wrote:Most grow out of it once they get older. No need to expose them to IRL harassment by doxxing them.

What makes you so sure?




One needs to spend about 30 seconds searching various chat groups/ message boards to realize that very few people grow out of it.
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Postby Propheticum » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:06 am

You're delusional if you think we should tell the ENTIRE WORLD someone's Name, Address, Phone Number, and another handful of personal information just because they did something rude and immature on the Internet for laughs. Grow up and be "mature." Ruining someones life, who could be 12 for all you know, is an outright insane way of handling a relatively harmless problem.
You walk in the street and some random dude calls you a "stupid fuck with a dog face." Are you going to call the police and have this mans get a record because he insulted you, or are you going to keep going about your life, and letting this man solve his own problems?

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Propheticum wrote:You're delusional if you think we should tell the ENTIRE WORLD someone's Name, Address, Phone Number, and another handful of personal information just because they did something rude and immature on the Internet for laughs. Grow up and be "mature." Ruining someones life, who could be 12 for all you know, is an outright insane way of handling a relatively harmless problem.?


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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:37 am

Propheticum wrote:You're delusional if you think we should tell the ENTIRE WORLD someone's Name, Address, Phone Number, and another handful of personal information just because they did something rude and immature on the Internet for laughs. Grow up and be "mature." Ruining someones life, who could be 12 for all you know, is an outright insane way of handling a relatively harmless problem.
You walk in the street and some random dude calls you a "stupid fuck with a dog face." Are you going to call the police and have this mans get a record because he insulted you, or are you going to keep going about your life, and letting this man solve his own problems?

He can't get a criminal record, because freedom of speech is freedom of speech. However, the world needs to know what kind of person he is.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Propheticum » Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:26 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Propheticum wrote:You're delusional if you think we should tell the ENTIRE WORLD someone's Name, Address, Phone Number, and another handful of personal information just because they did something rude and immature on the Internet for laughs. Grow up and be "mature." Ruining someones life, who could be 12 for all you know, is an outright insane way of handling a relatively harmless problem.
You walk in the street and some random dude calls you a "stupid fuck with a dog face." Are you going to call the police and have this mans get a record because he insulted you, or are you going to keep going about your life, and letting this man solve his own problems?

He can't get a criminal record, because freedom of speech is freedom of speech. However, the world needs to know what kind of person he is.

You mean a dumb teenager. Youre delusional.

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:12 am

Propheticum wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:He can't get a criminal record, because freedom of speech is freedom of speech. However, the world needs to know what kind of person he is.

You mean a dumb teenager. Youre delusional.

"Being a teenager" has nothing to do with it. Plenty of teenagers are decent people. The ones who aren't are filth. Not because they're teenagers, but because they're filth.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Samadhi » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:16 am

Tik tok is only good for watching people dance anyway.
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Postby Nazariles » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:17 am

Well, what else do you expect when the app is owned by a Chinese (PRC) company?
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Postby Vallermoore » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:37 pm

Not a nice thing to do, Tiktok.

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Postby Agarntrop » Wed May 13, 2020 7:29 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Andsed wrote:Simple. The trolls can be banned on those sites as well.

Only after they've already engaged in their trolling.


Andsed wrote:Their trolls Lima, aka a unch of teenagers being assholes because shocker teens tend to be immature assholes.

An absurd stereotype, at best. Plenty of teenagers are civilized people. The ones who aren't have revealed themselves to be uncivilized not because they're teenagers, but because they, as individuals, are simply uncivilized people.


Andsed wrote:Most grow out of it once they get older. No need to expose them to IRL harassment by doxxing them.

What makes you so sure?

as a teenager, i can confirm the boldened statement is incorrect.
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Postby Accelerationist Poland-Lithuania » Wed May 13, 2020 7:32 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I understand why they did this. The Internet is a nasty place and anyone visibly different going viral is going to get a lot of hate. Given the instant nature of communication the moderation has to be reactive and there's only so much a site can do to protect people; it'll never be enough and it will lead to much bad press for the company.

I doubt this tbh, they're suppressing people who aren't deformed but who are just plain ugly too. I'm sure their rationale is that nobody wants to look at them and it'd be bad for their platform to have a bunch of people nobody wants to look at on it.

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Postby Green October Z » Wed May 13, 2020 12:04 pm

Considering that TikTok is Chinese and that there is a strong stigma against disabled and even slightly deformed people in China, this comes as no surprise.
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Postby Dreisburg » Wed May 13, 2020 11:32 pm

If disabled don't won't to be bullied, they shouldn't have got into the world of social media...

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