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Postby Adamantaean Magocrate » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:28 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:If you doxx someone then you become an even bigger asshole.

lol k.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:54 pm

Adamantaean Magocrate wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:If you doxx someone then you become an even bigger asshole.

lol k.

I mean you kinda do. Just because someone else is an asshole does not mean it is okay for you to be an asshole right back. Two wrongs don´t make a right.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:34 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Andsed wrote:Because the fact that someone is being an asshole does not mean it is okay to doxx them.


I agree, and I say that as someone who is autistic and thus a likely target of said assholes. If you doxx someone then you become an even bigger asshole.

Autism doesn't make you any less credible on right and wrong, but it doesn't make you more credible either. We've tried using the soft gloves on Internet trolls, and they've been emboldened to resort to more drastic methods like hacking, etc... time to slam down.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Adamantaean Magocrate » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:45 pm

Andsed wrote:
Adamantaean Magocrate wrote:lol k.

I mean you kinda do. Just because someone else is an asshole does not mean it is okay for you to be an asshole right back. Two wrongs don´t make a right.

It doesn’t have to, it just has to make them think twice.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:17 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:We've tried using the soft gloves on Internet trolls, and they've been emboldened to resort to more drastic methods like hacking, etc... time to slam down.

Perhaps I've just been lucky, but at least in my experience anti-autistic trolls are just edgelords looking for attention; the real threat that autistic people face are the parents and organisations which want to eradicate autism via abortion or forcing bleach into their kids. or the driving agencies trying to force autistic drivers to take medical tests, long with the bureaucratic process of gaining one, even if the autistic person has years of safe driving to their record. There's also the SJW parts of the autistic community who are more concerned about pushing their niche politics rather than fighting for all autistics, and would happily doxx fellow autistics if they deemed them to be not following the party line. In the face of all that, I'd stick with trolls any day.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:58 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
I agree, and I say that as someone who is autistic and thus a likely target of said assholes. If you doxx someone then you become an even bigger asshole.

Autism doesn't make you any less credible on right and wrong, but it doesn't make you more credible either. We've tried using the soft gloves on Internet trolls, and they've been emboldened to resort to more drastic methods like hacking, etc... time to slam down.

Nah. Doxxing people and probably messing up their lives for being trolls on the internet is not okay. Banning them works just fine.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:39 pm

Andsed wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Autism doesn't make you any less credible on right and wrong, but it doesn't make you more credible either. We've tried using the soft gloves on Internet trolls, and they've been emboldened to resort to more drastic methods like hacking, etc... time to slam down.

Nah. Doxxing people and probably messing up their lives for being trolls on the internet is not okay. Banning them works just fine.

Banning them outsources the problem elsewhere. Doxxing them cuts it off at the source.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Propheticum » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:25 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Andsed wrote:Nah. Doxxing people and probably messing up their lives for being trolls on the internet is not okay. Banning them works just fine.

Banning them outsources the problem elsewhere. Doxxing them cuts it off at the source.

You are absolutely Insane.

Listen pal, VPNs exist. Any skilled shitposter or troll uses one. What are you going to do? Dox some dude in Tanna Tuva because some Brit who spent 9.99 on NordVPN clowned you?

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Postby Atheris » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:27 pm

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Postby Andsed » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:28 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Andsed wrote:Nah. Doxxing people and probably messing up their lives for being trolls on the internet is not okay. Banning them works just fine.

Banning them outsources the problem elsewhere. Doxxing them cuts it off at the source.

Yeah by opening up that troll(and those close to them) to IRL harassment. Doxxing someone because they were an asshole online is far to extreme. Banning them works just fine, there is no reason to doxx the trolls. Two wrongs do not make a right and it is absurd to try and pretend it does.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:34 am

Andsed wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Banning them outsources the problem elsewhere. Doxxing them cuts it off at the source.

Yeah by opening up that troll(and those close to them) to IRL harassment. Doxxing someone because they were an asshole online is far to extreme. Banning them works just fine, there is no reason to doxx the trolls. Two wrongs do not make a right and it is absurd to try and pretend it does.


Nothing wrong with people facing the eminent consequences for their actions.

Propheticum wrote: What are you going to do? Dox some dude in Tanna Tuva because some Brit who spent 9.99 on NordVPN clowned you?


Tannu what?
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Postby Andsed » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:55 am

Telconi wrote:
Andsed wrote:Yeah by opening up that troll(and those close to them) to IRL harassment. Doxxing someone because they were an asshole online is far to extreme. Banning them works just fine, there is no reason to doxx the trolls. Two wrongs do not make a right and it is absurd to try and pretend it does.


Nothing wrong with people facing the eminent consequences for their actions.

Propheticum wrote: What are you going to do? Dox some dude in Tanna Tuva because some Brit who spent 9.99 on NordVPN clowned you?


Tannu what?

Just because someone is an asshole online does not mean they deserve to be harassed IRL.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:57 am

Andsed wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Nothing wrong with people facing the eminent consequences for their actions.



Tannu what?

Just because someone is an asshole online does not mean they deserve to be harassed IRL.


How are people going to learn to stop being assholes unless we as a society pointedly dissaprova of them being assholes. Also the whole IRL thing is foolish, the internet isn't fucking Narnia.
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Postby Andsed » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:08 am

Telconi wrote:
Andsed wrote:Just because someone is an asshole online does not mean they deserve to be harassed IRL.


How are people going to learn to stop being assholes unless we as a society pointedly dissaprova of them being assholes. Also the whole IRL thing is foolish, the internet isn't fucking Narnis.

By growing up, most of these trolls are probably just teens trying to be edgy and offensive. Most of them will mature and for the ones who don’t then banning them works just fine, no need to expose them to potential (irl, people on the internet will go that far) harassment.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 am

Andsed wrote:
Telconi wrote:
How are people going to learn to stop being assholes unless we as a society pointedly dissaprova of them being assholes. Also the whole IRL thing is foolish, the internet isn't fucking Narnis.

By growing up, most of these trolls are probably just teens trying to be edgy and offensive. Most of them will mature and for the ones who don’t then banning them works just fine, no need to expose them to potential (irl, people on the internet will go that far) harassment.


Growing up is a matter of external force. People don't just magically stop being assholes unless there are negative repercussions to being an asshole.
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Postby Propheticum » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:08 am

Telconi wrote:
Andsed wrote:By growing up, most of these trolls are probably just teens trying to be edgy and offensive. Most of them will mature and for the ones who don’t then banning them works just fine, no need to expose them to potential (irl, people on the internet will go that far) harassment.


Growing up is a matter of external force. People don't just magically stop being assholes unless there are negative repercussions to being an asshole.

Ah yes. Lets ruin a teens life because they said something mean to a boomer online.
Put on some white makeup, a rainbow afro, some giant shoes, and a red nose, because you're a clown.

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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:23 pm

Propheticum wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Growing up is a matter of external force. People don't just magically stop being assholes unless there are negative repercussions to being an asshole.

Ah yes. Lets ruin a teens life because they said something mean to a boomer online.
Put on some white makeup, a rainbow afro, some giant shoes, and a red nose, because you're a clown.

If people were dumb enough to listen to what you've suggested, Amanda Todd would look like a fucking noob.


Lives of children are ruined if they stop being assholes?
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:54 pm

Andsed wrote:
Telconi wrote:
How are people going to learn to stop being assholes unless we as a society pointedly dissaprova of them being assholes. Also the whole IRL thing is foolish, the internet isn't fucking Narnis.

By growing up, most of these trolls are probably just teens trying to be edgy and offensive. Most of them will mature and for the ones who don’t then banning them works just fine, no need to expose them to potential (irl, people on the internet will go that far) harassment.

How is that fair to people who, even in their teen years, knew right from wrong? Do they get nothing for this?
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Andsed » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:58 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Andsed wrote:By growing up, most of these trolls are probably just teens trying to be edgy and offensive. Most of them will mature and for the ones who don’t then banning them works just fine, no need to expose them to potential (irl, people on the internet will go that far) harassment.

How is that fair to people who, even in their teen years, knew right from wrong? Do they get nothing for this?

Nope. Being mature is not something we need to reward. Just like how there is no need to doxx someone(and likely expose them to IRL harassment) for being immature and trolling. Banning works just fine, no need to doxx people.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:24 pm

Andsed wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:How is that fair to people who, even in their teen years, knew right from wrong? Do they get nothing for this?

Nope. Being mature is not something we need to reward. Just like how there is no need to doxx someone(and likely expose them to IRL harassment) for being immature and trolling. Banning works just fine, no need to doxx people.


You say banning works just fine, but I'm curious if we have any actual indication of this.
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Postby Propheticum » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:30 pm

Telconi wrote:
Andsed wrote:Nope. Being mature is not something we need to reward. Just like how there is no need to doxx someone(and likely expose them to IRL harassment) for being immature and trolling. Banning works just fine, no need to doxx people.


You say banning works just fine, but I'm curious if we have any actual indication of this.

Because we're literally on a sight with an active moderation team that RKOs trolls and slimeballs.

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