Northumbrian independence

[Nogodia]

Of course, this thread's made...

Northumbria's dead, its legacy lives on tenuously.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Yes, Edinburgh residents wouldn't have a fucking clue what you are talking about if you asked them if Edinburgh should be part of a thousand year dead nation. Edinburgh will never be party to this shit.

I mean, the majority of Scots don't even want to leave the UK, let alone become part of a newly resurrected Northumbria.

How are you so sure? I don't imagine there have been any polls on Scotland joining a newly-independent Northumbria.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

In realpolitik terms this can’t happen without Scottish and/or Welsh independence coming first. Giving independence to a group with such tenuous claims as Northumbria Is going to increase pressure from Scottish and Welsh independence movements, which have considerably more reason to secede.

And would a newly-independent Scotland cede its capital city of all things to another? Methinks not.

Where did I say Scotland would be independent at any point?

[Cappuccina]

Because a much larger proportion of the Scottish population is in favour of independence than this pipe dream.

reminder that Northumbrians feel less British than Scots

It's nice that some people want to be special by calling themselves "Northumbrian", but that nation and culture are long dead. And to be quite frank, the idea of an independence movement out of this is very ridiculous.

[The New California Republic]

Edinburgh residents wouldn't have a fucking clue what you are talking about if you asked them if Edinburgh should be part of a thousand year dead nation. Edinburgh will never be party to this shit.

Why not?

Because they don't know or care about Northumbria as a nation, and I see no reason as to why they should suddenly start caring about a nation that has been dead for a thousand years and want to be part of it to boot. The onus is on you to say why Edinburgh would be party to this shite, rather than me needing to disprove it. "Russell's Teapot" and all that.

[True Refuge]

I mean, the majority of Scots don't even want to leave the UK, let alone become part of a newly resurrected Northumbria.

How are you so sure? I don't imagine there have been any polls on Scotland joining a newly-independent Northumbria.

You might face opposition from the Scottish identity there.

Besides, if we’re talking abut dead identities, I doubt that the Caledonians, a group with just as much history if not more, would like their land being taken away by the upstart Northumbrians who only had the area for a few hundred years.

Side question, if the proud Northrumbrian identity has been erased by the ‘British’ (you mean English), how have Welsh and Irish identities remained so steadfast despite facing the same pressures? Perhaps there’s a difference in historical unity or sense of identity...

[The New California Republic]

In realpolitik terms this can’t happen without Scottish and/or Welsh independence coming first. Giving independence to a group with such tenuous claims as Northumbria Is going to increase pressure from Scottish and Welsh independence movements, which have considerably more reason to secede.

And would a newly-independent Scotland cede its capital city of all things to another? Methinks not.

Where did I say Scotland would be independent at any point?

You didn't, True Refuge did.

[The New California Republic]

I mean, the majority of Scots don't even want to leave the UK, let alone become part of a newly resurrected Northumbria.

How are you so sure? I don't imagine there have been any polls on Scotland joining a newly-independent Northumbria.

Probably because it is a non-issue? They may as well ask them if they want to be part of a recreated Roman Empire, or some other just as nonsensical tripe.

[True Refuge]

How are you so sure? I don't imagine there have been any polls on Scotland joining a newly-independent Northumbria.

Probably because it is a non-issue? They may as well ask them if they want to be part of a recreated Roman Empire, or some other just as nonsensical tripe.

We must rebuild a wall.

Hadrian’s Wall!

[Bruke]

Here's a question: what goal, short of full and immediate independence, would you want to achieve for Northumbria? Assuming you had the power.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

It's nice that some people want to be special by calling themselves "Northumbrian", but that nation and culture are long dead. And to be quite frank, the idea of an independence movement out of this is very ridiculous.

Aren't you a nationalist LOL

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Why not?

Because they don't know or care about Northumbria as a nation, and I see no reason as to why they should suddenly start caring about a nation that has been dead for a thousand years and want to be part of it to boot. The onus is on you to say why Edinburgh would be party to this shite, rather than me needing to disprove it. "Russell's Teapot" and all that.

Edinburgh is a city. It's not a "they". You do understand that, right?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Side question, if the proud Northrumbrian identity has been erased by the ‘British’ (you mean English), how have Welsh and Irish identities remained so steadfast despite facing the same pressures? Perhaps there’s a difference in historical unity or sense of identity...

The Welsh had hills, the Irish had a sea. And even still, both of them have been fully Normanised.

[True Refuge]

Because they don't know or care about Northumbria as a nation, and I see no reason as to why they should suddenly start caring about a nation that has been dead for a thousand years and want to be part of it to boot. The onus is on you to say why Edinburgh would be party to this shite, rather than me needing to disprove it. "Russell's Teapot" and all that.

Edinburgh is a city. It's not a "they". You do understand that, right?

Yes. As a whole Scots are opposed to independence, so the sentiment is applied to the Scottish city Edinburgh.

You disagree, give us some stats or polls or something to make your opinion worth taking seriously.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Here's a question: what goal, short of full and immediate independence, would you want to achieve for Northumbria? Assuming you had the power.

I'll settle for a national awakening/revival and full devolution.

[True Refuge]

Side question, if the proud Northrumbrian identity has been erased by the ‘British’ (you mean English), how have Welsh and Irish identities remained so steadfast despite facing the same pressures? Perhaps there’s a difference in historical unity or sense of identity...

The Welsh had hills, the Irish had a sea. And even still, both of them have been fully Normanised.

Hills and seas obstruct propagandistic education systems? What are you on about? The English didn’t go out if their way to invade Wales after they’d already conquered it in order to kill off nationalist sentiments. It’s not like some warped version of the invasion of Afghanistan where English teachers yell at Welsh students hiding in the mountains.

You would piss off most of the Isles’ ethnic groups in saying that. How has that process occurred?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Edinburgh is a city. It's not a "they". You do understand that, right?

Yes. As a whole Scots are opposed to independence, so the sentiment is applied to the Scottish city Edinburgh.

You disagree, give us some stats or polls or something to make your opinion worth taking seriously.

A poll of residents of Edinburgh on Northumbrian independence? Don't think you're going to find one.

[Vdara]

Edinburgh residents wouldn't have a fucking clue what you are talking about if you asked them if Edinburgh should be part of a thousand year dead nation. Edinburgh will never be party to this shit.

Why not?

Because they’re Scottish, that’s why.
They say they’re Scottish, not your silly Northumbrian idea which you and like ten other people support.
The Scottish flag flies above Edinburgh castle, which was built by the Scots.
Most of Edinburgh was built BY THE SCOTS.
Deal with it, ya nut.

And, before you come up with some random page that says ‘oh boy 100 people in fucking Sunderland support Northumbrian devolution, just don’t.

[The Blaatschapen]

Yes. As a whole Scots are opposed to independence, so the sentiment is applied to the Scottish city Edinburgh.

You disagree, give us some stats or polls or something to make your opinion worth taking seriously.

A poll of residents of Edinburgh on Northumbrian independence? Don't think you're going to find one.

And why is that, exactly?

[Cappuccina]

It's nice that some people want to be special by calling themselves "Northumbrian", but that nation and culture are long dead. And to be quite frank, the idea of an independence movement out of this is very ridiculous.

Aren't you a nationalist LOL

To an extent, yes. However there's a huge difference here between you and I, my nationality still exists. You're arguing for the independence of a nation long ago swallowed and digested.

[The New California Republic]

Because they don't know or care about Northumbria as a nation, and I see no reason as to why they should suddenly start caring about a nation that has been dead for a thousand years and want to be part of it to boot. The onus is on you to say why Edinburgh would be party to this shite, rather than me needing to disprove it. "Russell's Teapot" and all that.

Edinburgh is a city. It's not a "they". You do understand that, right?

The city includes its populace, quit hairsplitting with this facetious bullshit. You know fine well what was meant. It's very telling that you feel the need to go to such lengths to interpret a post in bad faith in order to nullify it as a threat.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Because they’re Scottish, that’s why.
They say they’re Scottish, not your silly Northumbrian idea which you and like ten other people support.

Edinburgh voted 61%-39% against Scottish independence, sorry.

The Scottish flag flies above Edinburgh castle, which was built by the Scots.
Most of Edinburgh was built BY THE SCOTS.

Edinburgh Castle was built by David I, who was doing what the ruling classes of Scotland do and attempting to act like "England" (in this case, actually the Normans).

Deal with it, ya nut.

That's not very polite.

[The New California Republic]

Yes. As a whole Scots are opposed to independence, so the sentiment is applied to the Scottish city Edinburgh.

You disagree, give us some stats or polls or something to make your opinion worth taking seriously.

A poll of residents of Edinburgh on Northumbrian independence? Don't think you're going to find one.

How are you so sure? I don't imagine there have been any polls on Scotland joining a newly-independent Northumbria.

Probably because it is a non-issue? They may as well ask them if they want to be part of a recreated Roman Empire, or some other just as nonsensical tripe.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

A poll of residents of Edinburgh on Northumbrian independence? Don't think you're going to find one.

And why is that, exactly?

Pollsters are too busy asking "Edinburgh council has voted in favour of introducing a ‘tourist tax’ of £2 per night on all hotels, B&B and short term lets in the city. Do you support or oppose this?", apparently.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

A poll of residents of Edinburgh on Northumbrian independence? Don't think you're going to find one.

Probably because it is a non-issue? They may as well ask them if they want to be part of a recreated Roman Empire, or some other just as nonsensical tripe.

YouGov does a poll every few months asking people if they'd like to be prime minister. I don't think an idea being "realistic" is particularly important to pollsters.