Northumbrian independence

[Napkizemlja]

If Northumbrians really want it, then why not?

That's the thing. Most "Northumbrians" don't (I doubt there are many who actually identify as such in the first place). Munk does.

"Person supporting something that isn't really in vogue" isn't something to get ones panties in a bunch over either, which is basically what has happened in this thread.

[Cekoviu]

LOL well it's nice to see you're all discussing this even in my absence

Northumbria shouldn't just be independent from the UK, it should be independent from Earth. Get a bunch of spaceships to carve it out and send it to space, then use the spare space as a buffer for rising sea levels.

What? You'd get your independence and I'd fulfill my lifelong dream of Northumbria becoming a moon.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Imagine thinking a single twitter account which appears to disturbingly lurch into occasional ultranationalism is going to taken as a credible argument and representative of the residents of the region.

I mean, I'm not as lefty as I used to be, and I'm certainly not as tribal, but some of the shit that account is spewing is pretty grim

Including this: https://twitter.com/RexNorthumbria/stat ... 3299441665

On another note, how do we know that Munkcestrian and the owner of this twitter account aren't one and the same person?

Including this: https://twitter.com/RexNorthumbria/stat ... 3299441665

On another note, how do we know that Munkcestrian and the owner of this twitter account aren't one and the same person?

Probably is. Reminds me of Xerographica, whose opinions were so fringe any google result took you straight back to the NSG threads.

Including this: https://twitter.com/RexNorthumbria/stat ... 3299441665

On another note, how do we know that Munkcestrian and the owner of this twitter account aren't one and the same person?

Why knows, maybe they are, wouldn't be surprising.

people against Northumbrian independence: "you can't compare us to Nazi supporters for supporting genocide!"
also people against Northumbrian independence: "you're an alt-right racist!"

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Really
A country that was gone for over a millennium still has a national identity and wants a independence referendum. I think you got the referendum thing mixed up with Scotland mate

@ Kavagrad, see this

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Brigantia for the Brigantes

Beaker culture for beaker culturians!

Do you know what an archaeological culture is?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Including this: https://twitter.com/RexNorthumbria/stat ... 3299441665

On another note, how do we know that Munkcestrian and the owner of this twitter account aren't one and the same person?

Probably is. Reminds me of Xerographica, whose opinions were so fringe any google result took you straight back to the NSG threads.

Why knows, maybe they are, wouldn't be surprising.

people against Northumbrian independence: "you can't compare us to Nazi supporters for supporting genocide!"
also people against Northumbrian independence: "you're an alt-right racist!"

That twitter page is most definitely an alt right racist user, come the fuck on and look at the shit it posts.

[The New California Republic]

Including this: https://twitter.com/RexNorthumbria/stat ... 3299441665

On another note, how do we know that Munkcestrian and the owner of this twitter account aren't one and the same person?

Probably is. Reminds me of Xerographica, whose opinions were so fringe any google result took you straight back to the NSG threads.

Why knows, maybe they are, wouldn't be surprising.

people against Northumbrian independence: "you can't compare us to Nazi supporters for supporting genocide!"
also people against Northumbrian independence: "you're an alt-right racist!"

More ridiculous strawmanning.

[Estanglia]

LOL well it's nice to see you're all discussing this even in my absence

What? You'd get your independence and I'd fulfill my lifelong dream of Northumbria becoming a moon.

Ironic that the one arguing for Northumbrian independence is rolling their eyes at the idea of sending Northumbria into space, when they both have the same chance of happening in the near future.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

What the fuck would we do with independence anyway? Turn Ashington into a tax haven? Nationalise Greggs? Turn Sunderland into an open air prison?

1. maybe...
2. Of course. Greggs is a vital element of Northumbrian soft power, similar to how anime is for Japan.
3. Why would we need to turn it into something it already is?

[Gaazikumukh]

Including this: https://twitter.com/RexNorthumbria/stat ... 3299441665

On another note, how do we know that Munkcestrian and the owner of this twitter account aren't one and the same person?

Probably is. Reminds me of Xerographica, whose opinions were so fringe any google result took you straight back to the NSG threads.

Why knows, maybe they are, wouldn't be surprising.

people against Northumbrian independence: "you can't compare us to Nazi supporters for supporting genocide!"
also people against Northumbrian independence: "you're an alt-right racist!"

Imagine posting a link to a twitter you support that regularly posts stuff about ethnic cleansing, and then wondering why people think you support this.

This post made by North Cucumberland Gang

[The Huskar Social Union]

people against Northumbrian independence: "you can't compare us to Nazi supporters for supporting genocide!"
also people against Northumbrian independence: "you're an alt-right racist!"

More ridiculous strawmanning.

Like seriously this is getting ridiculously pathetic.

[The New California Republic]

people against Northumbrian independence: "you can't compare us to Nazi supporters for supporting genocide!"
also people against Northumbrian independence: "you're an alt-right racist!"

That twitter page is most definitely an alt right racist user, come the fuck on and look at the shit it posts.

Again I'm not entirely convinced that Munkcestrian and that twitter poster are different people...

[Napkizemlja]

If Northumbrians really want it, then why not?

They don't. This "Independence movement" is a fringe movement that very few "Northumbrians" care about.

I'm pretty sure the point of the thread is to make a case for it but people have kinda been acting dumb as shit in their response to it.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

I'm not sure if I should respond to this given that I don't really want to be too active on the forums - but this is far too silly of a discussion to ignore, and not because of the topic of Independence for Northumbria.

I'm an Anarchist, I'm all for self-determination and local autonomy and agency and cooperation with other autonomous communities under the principles of federalism or confederation - however that very blatantly isn't what you seem to want unless I'm missing something.

You don't want independence and liberty for the Northumbrian people (As in the people that live in those communities), based on what I've read from your posts you want to make an ultra-nationalist Northumbrian state that forcibly includes communities in it that do not want to be part of it and have not been part of it since damn near before English was even a language. You want a state that has a strictly enforced homogeneous and top-down culture and for no other reason than, seemingly, that you have some romantic view of Northumbrian nationalism and some vague concept of 'lost glory'. If you are wondering why lefitsts would support Scottish independence but disagree with you, that may be why!

If you think the YPG kindly asked people if they want to be part of Rojava, well

Also of course English was a language, it was just an Old form of English. Old English, if you will.

[Gaazikumukh]

Sad thing is this man is going to walk away thinking he won the argument because he got people to post in his thread...

I feel sad for the actual Northumbrians in this thread who live in proximity to this man

[Xerkivia]

If Northumbrians really want it, then why not?

That's the thing. Most "Northumbrians" don't (I doubt there are many who actually identify as such in the first place). Munk does.

I can't imagine it being foremost in the minds of people living in the Northumbria region anyway, so I'm not surprised.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Restore the North Sea Empire.

No thanks.

[Philjia]

Ooh, can Sid the Sexist out of Viz be our version of John Bull?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

I'm not sure if I should respond to this given that I don't really want to be too active on the forums - but this is far too silly of a discussion to ignore, and not because of the topic of Independence for Northumbria.

I'm an Anarchist, I'm all for self-determination and local autonomy and agency and cooperation with other autonomous communities under the principles of federalism or confederation - however that very blatantly isn't what you seem to want unless I'm missing something.

You don't want independence and liberty for the Northumbrian people (As in the people that live in those communities), based on what I've read from your posts you want to make an ultra-nationalist Northumbrian state that forcibly includes communities in it that do not want to be part of it and have not been part of it since damn near before English was even a language. You want a state that has a strictly enforced homogeneous and top-down culture and for no other reason than, seemingly, that you have some romantic view of Northumbrian nationalism and some vague concept of 'lost glory'. If you are wondering why lefitsts would support Scottish independence but disagree with you, that may be why!

Also people in the North East only really identify with the region to flex on people who aren't from there, we actually identify much more strongly with our county, hometown, or city. (And enjoy mocking the perceived and actual deficiencies in other North Eastern places.)

We have regional identities as well as a national one, yes.

[Andsed]

They don't. This "Independence movement" is a fringe movement that very few "Northumbrians" care about.

I'm pretty sure the point of the thread is to make a case for it but people have kinda been acting dumb as shit in their response to it.

I don’t see how but okay?

[The New California Republic]

Restore the North Sea Empire.

No thanks.

Folk here are saying the same to Northumbrian independence.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Restore the North Sea Empire.

Yeah, and let’s bring back the Norse religion

lol good luck with that.

[Estanglia]

They don't. This "Independence movement" is a fringe movement that very few "Northumbrians" care about.

I'm pretty sure the point of the thread is to make a case for it but people have kinda been acting dumb as shit in their response to it.

Because it's a dumb idea.

They're asking for the independence of a region that does not want independence, on the basis of things that haven't existed, been relevant, or aren't nearly as strong as they want them to be for centuries at this point, and their counterarguments are piss-poor.

[Magnum Exitium]

I mean, I'm all for dismantling the remains of the British Empire. However, it's unlikely you'd ever get a majority, and if so, be able to maintain that state. There's no chance even the entire population of what was formerly Northumbria could stand against the UK.

I'd say that it is mostly dismantled as is. Just remove Northern Ireland, the Falklands, Scotland and Chagos at most and its done (and even then claiming the Falklands is a stretch) The actions of the British Empire were horrible, don't get me wrong, but dismantling it for the sake of dismantling is a poor contingency plan, especially if the local base are loyal to it w/out coercion.

Well, that's just a personal belief. If the majorities in those colonial territories still want British rule, then it's not my place to tell them otherwise.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

I'm unsurprised that they have the flag of the County Durham as their icon. If I lived in Durham I might feel like hankering for the days when Durham was the centre of power in the region too, rather than a pretty deprived county built around a frankly weird student city.

And tbh I don't know why Munkcestrian is holding that twitter account up as a valid source, given that this is the type of shit that is being shat out by that account: https://twitter.com/RexNorthumbria/stat ... 1814470656

I disagree with him on that issue and many others.