Northumbrian independence

[Skyhooked]

Not many folks know about good ol' Northumbria, since vikings came and partied hard there, ya' know. But I think, this idea might be worth at least a try. C'mon dudes, what can go wrong?

A lot actually.

We need those bloody and gory details! Tell us.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Kings were pissed off at one another. Surprise.

That’s such a lazy rebuttal. I could say the same thing to justify basically any conflict over borders no matter how illegitimate.

That’s such a lazy rebuttal. I could say the same thing to justify basically any conflict over borders no matter how illegitimate.

Par for the course really. I've been getting facetious shit shoved in my general direction, so think yourself lucky.

Sorry, but all the evidence shows it wasn't any sort of ethnic-based conflict. Merely kings fighting.

[The New California Republic]

If Northumbrians really want it, then why not?

They don't though.

[Cekoviu]

Northumbria shouldn't just be independent from the UK, it should be independent from Earth. Get a bunch of spaceships to carve it out and send it to space, then use the spare space as a buffer for rising sea levels.

[Dresderstan]

If Northumbrians really want it, then why not?

Except they don't, only a fringe minority of about a half dozen want it.

[The New California Republic]

Northumbria shouldn't just be independent from the UK, it should be independent from Earth. Get a bunch of spaceships to carve it out and send it to space, then use the spare space as a buffer for rising sea levels.

Oof.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

(Oh and that is not even talking about the fact that this Northumbrian kingdoms border would conflict with Scotland’s border.)

I've addressed that issue countless times.

[Gaazikumukh]

(Oh and that is not even talking about the fact that this Northumbrian kingdoms border would conflict with Scotland’s border.)

I've addressed that issue countless times.

Buuuuuuut have you though?

[The New California Republic]

(Oh and that is not even talking about the fact that this Northumbrian kingdoms border would conflict with Scotland’s border.)

I've addressed that issue countless times.

"Addressed". No. You haven't addressed it at all, aside from some completely inadequate handwaving.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

LOL well it's nice to see you're all discussing this even in my absence

Northumbria shouldn't just be independent from the UK, it should be independent from Earth. Get a bunch of spaceships to carve it out and send it to space, then use the spare space as a buffer for rising sea levels.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I've addressed that issue countless times.

Buuuuuuut have you though?

"Northumbria would get all of this stuff"
"Why?"
"..."

[The New California Republic]

LOL well it's nice to see you're all discussing this tearing this to shreds even in my absence

Fixed.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

This again? Northumbria is a dead nation and there is no reason to bring it back. There is no evidence that any kind of Northumbrian identity is widespread. If things one day changes then the question can be asked. But for now this is a mere absurd pipe dream. (Oh and that is not even talking about the fact that this Northumbrian kingdoms border would conflict with Scotland’s border.)

Indeed. The OP has of yet to give a credible response to the question of the parts of Scotland that he is laying claim to, most notably Edinburgh. He just keeps shoving a map from a thousand years ago in our faces, and expecting that answers the matter, when it clearly doesn't.

It clearly does.

Oh, it was successful in Wales. The rebirth of a Welsh identity was nothing short of miraculous and was only possible because of Welsh Methodism.

The Welsh identity never went away though.

Ireland took a famine, years of struggling against the British establishment, threats of their British supporters being lynched, threats of mutiny and the British Army backing the unionists if Home Rule went through, artillery being used on Dublin during the Easter Rising, civilians being shot at for no reason during the Easter Rising, and the executions of the leaders of the Easter Rising for the Irish to even consider independence.

You don't seem to know a lot about Irish history before 1845, then again most English don't. That and wanting independence is not the sole indicator of having a national identity.

What don't I know about?

[Gaazikumukh]

Buuuuuuut have you though?

"Northumbria would get all of this stuff"
"Why?"
"..."

"Because according to twitter user xXx_NorthmbrnPwr_xXx, Northumbrians have supervision and can see X-rays, making us far superior to all the Norman/Norse scum!!"
This thread is like I'm reading really shitty alt-history. And I've read some really shitty alt-history

[Munkcestrian Republic]

It's amazing how leftists are generally so supportive of Scottish independence, despite a majority not wanting it and Scottish culture basically being an invention of Sir Walter Scott that combined Highland culture (previously seen as that of bandits) with Border (Northumbrian) culture (also previously seen as that of bandits), but they're always against Northumbrian independence when I bring it up

It's amazing how quickly you've strawmanned me. At least ask what I think of Scottish independence before spewing that bollocks. Absolutely pathetic.

I didn't strawman you, I merely made an educated guess as to your stance on Scottish independence.

[Andsed]

(Oh and that is not even talking about the fact that this Northumbrian kingdoms border would conflict with Scotland’s border.)

I've addressed that issue countless times.

You mean this?

Edinburgh is a part of Scotland in present days. To bring it into a new Northrumbian entity, that like you said, is barely existing (sorry) is.....a bit problematic. It's just like saying "bring Ireland under Her Majesty's throne" again just because Ireland was once a part of the U.K.

Sorry, but it's on the map.

That is not addressing the issue of the Scots not wanting to be part of some irrelevant long dead nation.

[North German Realm]

If Northumbrians really want it, then why not?

That's the thing. Most "Northumbrians" don't (I doubt there are many who actually identify as such in the first place). Munk does.

[Estanglia]

But even today there is a movement that seeks to give the Northumbrian people their voice, identity, and independence back. The Northumbrian independence movement.

...which has zero political clout and will probably be as successful as trying to declare independence from the Earth.

And what identity, voice, independence? The things that have been dead for centuries at this point and bringing them back will create more problems then it solves?

[Napkizemlja]

Ugh, neo-bell beakers.

If Northumbrians want independence, they can have it.

But it comes at a price. Outside of the UK, and initially outside of the EU.

Probably inside China's sphere of influence. Unless the USA can have military bases there

Why?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Stop channelling the long-dead Kannadrickium, Val.

https://twitter.com/RexNorthumbria/status/1140007772488130561

We've got a timeline for independence, by the way. Just like the Scots did before the referendum.

Imagine thinking a single twitter account which appears to disturbingly lurch into occasional ultranationalism is going to taken as a credible argument and representative of the residents of the region.

I mean, I'm not as lefty as I used to be, and I'm certainly not as tribal, but some of the shit that account is spewing is pretty grim.

Anyhoo, another question for our Northumbrian loving colleague - why are we stopping at Northumbrian independence? Why not Bernicia, Deira, Rheged or Gododdin? I mean my LARPing group regularly pretends to advocate for Deirian independence, so we should absolutely be setting a timetable for independence voting that follows this random instagram accounts timetable right?

Because Bernicia and Deira are part of Northumbria.

[The New California Republic]

Indeed. The OP has of yet to give a credible response to the question of the parts of Scotland that he is laying claim to, most notably Edinburgh. He just keeps shoving a map from a thousand years ago in our faces, and expecting that answers the matter, when it clearly doesn't.

It clearly does.

Ha. It clearly doesn't friendo.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Brigantia for the Brigantes

Brigantes only went up to the Tyne.

[Gaazikumukh]

"You've yet to provide us with any evidence as to why this should be a thing"

"I have"

"No, you really have not. You have no statistics, claims, or anything resembling an argument"

"Nuh uh, you're wrong."

"How?? You've provided us with nothing!"

"Yes I have."

"Where???"

"Here."

The rest of NS: collective braincell extinction

(This thread summed up real simple)

[Andsed]

If Northumbrians really want it, then why not?

They don't. This "Independence movement" is a fringe movement that very few "Northumbrians" care about.

[The New California Republic]

It's amazing how quickly you've strawmanned me. At least ask what I think of Scottish independence before spewing that bollocks. Absolutely pathetic.

I didn't strawman you, I merely made an educated guess as to your stance on Scottish independence.

You actually did strawman him, by constructing some complete bullshit and responding to that instead.