The Mystery of Chris Chan

[Red Roja]

Considering all the horrible things Chris has done, he deserves no such respect.

Looking at your posts, you seem to be under the assumption that Chris is the way he is because of online bullying and his mental problems. First, Chris was a horrible and cringy person long before the trolling even started. In the many years prior to his discovery by the trolls, Chris had already been banned from multiple places for his creepy behavior, been arrested multiple times for trespassing, solicitation, harassment, and threatening people, and been suspended from his college when he threatened the dean. The only reason he was bullied so much online is because he is such a horrible person in the first place and people felt that he deserved it. Especially after he plastered that pornographic drawing of his friend Megan all over the internet, threatened to rape her, and doxxed her.

His mental health is certainly no excuse either. First off, Chris has received mental health evaluation and treatment on four separate occasions (each after he committed a crime) and they all had no effect on him. Chris isn't a horrible person because his mental issues. Rather, he is a horrible person that happens to also have mental issues. Trying to attribute a mentally ill person's horrible behavior to their mental health is like attributing a Black persons criminal activity to their Blackness. Not all mentally ill people are horrible people and not all Black people are criminals, so it makes no sense.

My ex-gf has both autism and schizophrenia. She also grew up in a horrible environment with an abusive, racist mom and a raging alcoholic dad that frequently beat and raped her. Did she turn out to be a criminal? No. Despite everything she went through, she always knew right from wrong. She ultimately got help on her own accord and is a perfectly functional member of society. She is also one of the sweetest people you will meet, too. One of my coworkers is autistic and was raised in a violent neighborhood by a drug addict dad that frequently starved him and abused him. Yet, he knows right from wrong and is a functioning member of society. One of my old classmates from high school had some kind of mental problem (not sure what) and was heavily bullied everyday. I still run into him sometimes and he is a kind, functioning human being.

Life is full of choices and as adults, our choices our responsibility. Plenty of people with mental health issues and horrible backgrounds grow up to be great people and functioning members of society. Likewise, some people with no mental issues and great backgrounds grow up to be horrible people. It's all a choice in the end. Add that to the fact that Chris has been mandated to receive mental health treatment on 4 separate occasions and it has had no effect, it is obvious that his actions are just the result of him being a horrible person to begin with.

I’m under no such impression and you’ve grossly misinterpreted, either by accident or deliberately, what I’ve been saying in this thread.

Chris’s issues are partly her fault and partly her parents for not giving her the adequate treatment she needed in childhood. The bullying she has suffered for over a decade certainly doesn’t help, but I have never, ever denied that she is to blame too for her part in exacerbating it. That being said, since she’s identifying as transgender woman, whether as another psychotic break or truthfully, it costs me nothing to use female pronouns to refer to her.

Also, as someone who suffers from a mental condition, I don’t need your schooling. I am aware of what should be done and how treatment can indeed help.

I’d appreciate it if instead of calling for a witch hunt, which frankly makes you no better than Chris, you’d learned. I have no sympathy for her or her mom, but I don’t agree that you should incite anyone to run them out of home or town.

Where did I call for a witch hunt? Where did I try to incite him being run out of town?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I’m under no such impression and you’ve grossly misinterpreted, either by accident or deliberately, what I’ve been saying in this thread.

Chris’s issues are partly her fault and partly her parents for not giving her the adequate treatment she needed in childhood. The bullying she has suffered for over a decade certainly doesn’t help, but I have never, ever denied that she is to blame too for her part in exacerbating it. That being said, since she’s identifying as transgender woman, whether as another psychotic break or truthfully, it costs me nothing to use female pronouns to refer to her.

Also, as someone who suffers from a mental condition, I don’t need your schooling. I am aware of what should be done and how treatment can indeed help.

I’d appreciate it if instead of calling for a witch hunt, which frankly makes you no better than Chris, you’d learned. I have no sympathy for her or her mom, but I don’t agree that you should incite anyone to run them out of home or town.

Where did I call for a witch hunt? Where did I try to incite him being run out of town?

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[Red Roja]

Where did I call for a witch hunt? Where did I try to incite him being run out of town?

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Not seeing it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

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Not seeing it.

I do. You think that if the town runs them out it be good riddance. And although I agree that Chris deserves no sympathy, agreeing with her and her mom being kicked out of town is supremely fucked up.

[Red Roja]

Not seeing it.

I do. You think that if the town runs them out it be good riddance. And although I agree that Chris deserves no sympathy, agreeing with her and her mom being kicked out of town is supremely fucked up.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I was merely saying that it would be good if they weren't there anymore. It doesn't have to necessarily mean running out of town. It could be finally getting arrested and locked away. Speaking of messed up, believing that neighbors should put up with horrible people that kidnap their pets and kill one of their cats is what is really fucked up.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I do. You think that if the town runs them out it be good riddance. And although I agree that Chris deserves no sympathy, agreeing with her and her mom being kicked out of town is supremely fucked up.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I was merely saying that it would be good if they weren't there anymore. It doesn't have to necessarily mean running out of town. It could be finally getting arrested and locked away. Speaking of messed up, believing that neighbors should put up with horrible people that kidnap their pets and kill one of their cats is what is really fucked up.

Why do you think I’ve been saying the state should step in? Also, your post can be interpreted that way I do suggest you’re clear in your statements from here on out.

Chris’s autism and overall issues, and her becoming a nuisance is motive enough to lock her in a facility until and if she can be helped.

[Red Roja]

Stop putting words in my mouth. I was merely saying that it would be good if they weren't there anymore. It doesn't have to necessarily mean running out of town. It could be finally getting arrested and locked away. Speaking of messed up, believing that neighbors should put up with horrible people that kidnap their pets and kill one of their cats is what is really fucked up.

Why do you think I’ve been saying the state should step in? Also, your post can be interpreted that way I do suggest you’re clear in your statements from here on out.

Chris’s autism and overall issues, and her becoming a nuisance is motive enough to lock her in a facility until and if she can be helped.

And as I keep saying, he doesn't need help. He is just a horrible person. No helping that. He has received mandated help multiple times. No good. Also, the state won't step in for some reason.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Why do you think I’ve been saying the state should step in? Also, your post can be interpreted that way I do suggest you’re clear in your statements from here on out.

Chris’s autism and overall issues, and her becoming a nuisance is motive enough to lock her in a facility until and if she can be helped.

And as I keep saying, he doesn't need help. He is just a horrible person. No helping that. He has received mandated help multiple times. No good. Also, the state won't step in for some reason.

It should. If she’s a danger to herself and others, and being autistic, once her mom dies, she should be contained. Otherwise she’ll appear dead in a ditch or something, as you yourself said at the beginning of this thread.

[Red Roja]

And as I keep saying, he doesn't need help. He is just a horrible person. No helping that. He has received mandated help multiple times. No good. Also, the state won't step in for some reason.

It should. If she’s a danger to herself and others, and being autistic, once her mom dies, she should be contained. Otherwise she’ll appear dead in a ditch or something, as you yourself said at the beginning of this thread.

Yes, it should step him and lock him away, but it won't for some reason. I am merely saying that if the people of Ruckersville got together and ran them out of town for the safety of themselves, their children, and pets, in the absence of an alternative like the state finally acting, then I would have no pity for Chris or Barb.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It should. If she’s a danger to herself and others, and being autistic, once her mom dies, she should be contained. Otherwise she’ll appear dead in a ditch or something, as you yourself said at the beginning of this thread.

Yes, it should step him and lock him away, but it won't for some reason. I am merely saying that if the people of Ruckersville got together and ran them out of town for the safety of themselves, their children, and pets, in the absence of an alternative like the state finally acting, then I would have no pity for Chris or Barb.

And yet that would add to the tragedy if that were to happen. Because whether willingly or unwillingly, that she got into this situation is tragic. What they should do is pressure the state to remove Chris.

[Dagnia]

I have to totally blame his parents for this. Chris is only a year older than me, programs for all kinds of learning disabilities were common in most schools, and he lives a couple hours from Washington DC, not some swamp in Mississippi where they still probably don't have any services for that kind of thing. From what's known about his history, his parents refused or pulled him out of most of the programs that might have helped him. They were also known to be abusive to his half- and step-siblings, and though Chris doesn't seem to have suffered any of the abuse described by Cole Smithey, the half-brother that most seems to be known about, for Chris they just found a hundred new ways to not raise a kid right.
Speaking of Cole Smithey, a search of his name turns up his site with the tagline "The Smartest Film Critic in the World" (and he's totally serious), which brings me to the thing I and other Chris-chan watchers think is more of an issue than his autism which is narcissism. The family seems to have a lot of this. Chris himself has displayed all seven of the sins of narcissism, shamelessness, magical thinking, arrogance, envy, entitlement, exploitation, and bad boundaries. Autistics may have communication problems, which explains his odd mannerisms, use of language and ability to walk into obvious traps. Autism does a really poor job of explaining his constant disregard for rules when pursuing something he wants, disregard for people's space even after being told to knock it off, projecting shame onto people that he has wronged with his behavior, lashing out at any criticism constructive or not, or even lack of sense of irony when he makes a video begging for people to pay off his thousands in credit card debt while he's got thousands in collectibles and lego in the background. Without the narcissism, he would probably have some menial job because there wouldn't be the sense of entitlement, but he's not smart enough to put that CAD degree to use. His parents are still not off the hook, a real counselor and something other than coddling him would have probably made a big difference.
I think the other possibilities can be easily dismissed. Chris could have been helped with counselling (because such help did exist) and teachers, or even judges who would not have given him just a slap on the wrist. He would never be a normal person, but he could still be a semi-productive person who wouldn't face homelessness when his mother dies. The constant attacks online didn't help, but his behaviors began years before his discovery. As for the horror being too much to bear, don't be dramatic. He's not a monster, never raped (though does have boundary issues), explicitly said he's only interested in people 18 to current age - 1. He's a harmless eccentric in the end and a fascinating train wreck. The worst you can say about him is he'll probably a net drain on the tax system either through disability benefits or court costs from the occasional minor assault on someone when he doesn't get his way.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Genuine transgenders have an awareness from an early age that something about themselves don't feel "right". I assume with Chandler this is another phase of his attention whoring and/or mental breakdown.

It’s a distinct possibility but, regardless of that, if she’s wanting to be addressed as a she, I’ll address her as such.

He wasn't officially diagnosed with gender dysphoria though, nor did he express dissatisfaction with his assigned gender from a young age, which is one of the key indicators of being trans, and he is known for his conservative views on gender and sexuality. Its far more likely that Chris has done it as a publicity stunt in order to draw more attention to him and his cult.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

It’s a distinct possibility but, regardless of that, if she’s wanting to be addressed as a she, I’ll address her as such.

His mental health is certainly no excuse either. First off, Chris has received mental health evaluation and treatment on four separate occasions (each after he committed a crime) and they all had no effect on him. Chris isn't a horrible person because his mental issues. Rather, he is a horrible person that happens to also have mental issues. Trying to attribute a mentally ill person's horrible behavior to their mental health is like attributing a Black persons criminal activity to their Blackness. Not all mentally ill people are horrible people and not all Black people are criminals, so it makes no sense.

My ex-gf has both autism and schizophrenia. She also grew up in a horrible environment with an abusive, racist mom and a raging alcoholic dad that frequently beat and raped her. Did she turn out to be a criminal? No. Despite everything she went through, she always knew right from wrong. She ultimately got help on her own accord and is a perfectly functional member of society. She is also one of the sweetest people you will meet, too. One of my coworkers is autistic and was raised in a violent neighborhood by a drug addict dad that frequently starved him and abused him. Yet, he knows right from wrong and is a functioning member of society. One of my old classmates from high school had some kind of mental problem (not sure what) and was heavily bullied everyday. I still run into him sometimes and he is a kind, functioning human being.

Life is full of choices and as adults, our choices our responsibility. Plenty of people with mental health issues and horrible backgrounds grow up to be great people and functioning members of society. Likewise, some people with no mental issues and great backgrounds grow up to be horrible people. It's all a choice in the end. Add that to the fact that Chris has been mandated to receive mental health treatment on 4 separate occasions and it has had no effect, it is obvious that his actions are just the result of him being a horrible person to begin with.

Weren't you already told on multiple occasions that the plural of anecdote is not data? Your personal experiences are not even close to being a representative sample of the overall population, and poverty along with mental disorders and dysfunctional families is still the most common cause of crime, whether violent or non-violent. Once again, there is no such thing as being "born evil", and anyone who still believes in such concept is pushing bad science. And Bob and Barbara were already confirmed ro have blocked Chris from receiving any proper care for his mental problems and autism from a young age, and have spectacularly botched their parenting of him, and by the time he became an adult, it was obvious he couldn't possibly have grown to be a functioning member of society under such conditions.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

His mental health is certainly no excuse either. First off, Chris has received mental health evaluation and treatment on four separate occasions (each after he committed a crime) and they all had no effect on him. Chris isn't a horrible person because his mental issues. Rather, he is a horrible person that happens to also have mental issues. Trying to attribute a mentally ill person's horrible behavior to their mental health is like attributing a Black persons criminal activity to their Blackness. Not all mentally ill people are horrible people and not all Black people are criminals, so it makes no sense.

My ex-gf has both autism and schizophrenia. She also grew up in a horrible environment with an abusive, racist mom and a raging alcoholic dad that frequently beat and raped her. Did she turn out to be a criminal? No. Despite everything she went through, she always knew right from wrong. She ultimately got help on her own accord and is a perfectly functional member of society. She is also one of the sweetest people you will meet, too. One of my coworkers is autistic and was raised in a violent neighborhood by a drug addict dad that frequently starved him and abused him. Yet, he knows right from wrong and is a functioning member of society. One of my old classmates from high school had some kind of mental problem (not sure what) and was heavily bullied everyday. I still run into him sometimes and he is a kind, functioning human being.

Life is full of choices and as adults, our choices our responsibility. Plenty of people with mental health issues and horrible backgrounds grow up to be great people and functioning members of society. Likewise, some people with no mental issues and great backgrounds grow up to be horrible people. It's all a choice in the end. Add that to the fact that Chris has been mandated to receive mental health treatment on 4 separate occasions and it has had no effect, it is obvious that his actions are just the result of him being a horrible person to begin with.

Weren't you already told on multiple occasions that the plural of anecdote is not data? Your personal experiences are not even close to being a representative sample of the overall population, and poverty along with mental disorders and dysfunctional families is still the most common cause of crime, whether violent or non-violent. Once again, there is no such thing as being "born evil", and anyone who still believes in such concept is pushing bad science. And Bob and Barbara were already confirmed ro have blocked Chris from receiving any proper care for his mental problems and autism from a young age, and have spectacularly botched their parenting of him, and by the time he became an adult, it was obvious he couldn't possibly have grown to be a functioning member of society under such conditions.

People have gone from a shit start in life to do well, it's less likely but it does happen.

[Gormwood]

It’s a distinct possibility but, regardless of that, if she’s wanting to be addressed as a she, I’ll address her as such.

He wasn't officially diagnosed with gender dysphoria though, nor did he express dissatisfaction with his assigned gender from a young age, which is one of the key indicators of being trans, and he is known for his conservative views on gender and sexuality. Its far more likely that Chris has done it as a publicity stunt in order to draw more attention to him and his cult.

I assume people "join" his cult to "milk the lolcow". What would be worrying are the unstable people who actually believe his deranged ramblings.

[Gormwood]

Weren't you already told on multiple occasions that the plural of anecdote is not data? Your personal experiences are not even close to being a representative sample of the overall population, and poverty along with mental disorders and dysfunctional families is still the most common cause of crime, whether violent or non-violent. Once again, there is no such thing as being "born evil", and anyone who still believes in such concept is pushing bad science. And Bob and Barbara were already confirmed ro have blocked Chris from receiving any proper care for his mental problems and autism from a young age, and have spectacularly botched their parenting of him, and by the time he became an adult, it was obvious he couldn't possibly have grown to be a functioning member of society under such conditions.

People have gone from a shit start in life to do well, it's less likely but it does happen.

Ironic observation from the guy who wants to kneecap the ability of people with shit starts to pull themselves up.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

People have gone from a shit start in life to do well, it's less likely but it does happen.

Ironic observation from the guy who wants to kneecap the ability of people with shit starts to pull themselves up.

Not really. Most of the people I know who've had that situation received very little support from the state.

[Gormwood]

Ironic observation from the guy who wants to kneecap the ability of people with shit starts to pull themselves up.

Not really. Most of the people I know who've had that situation received very little support from the state.

Oh right, anecdotes.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Not really. Most of the people I know who've had that situation received very little support from the state.

Oh right, anecdotes.

Please also note that I did not make any assertion that this was a good thing.

[Minoa]

And as I keep saying, he doesn't need help. He is just a horrible person. No helping that. He has received mandated help multiple times. No good. Also, the state won't step in for some reason.

There is no doubt that the Sonichu author has made very controversial decisions according to Fredrik Knudsen’s documentary, but they come nothing close to someone who is genuinely evil, like Terry Nichols or Omar al-Bashir. Otherwise, the author would be behind bars now, and we would not be talking about Sonichu today.

The situation with the author is a lot more complicated now, because of the Idea Guys, as well as the conservative views of the author’s parents. That doesn't mean that donating to the author is a good idea, due to reports of the donations going on toys and video games (rather to offset the growing debt), but comparing the author to someone genuinely evil does not add up.

[Albrenia]

And as I keep saying, he doesn't need help. He is just a horrible person. No helping that. He has received mandated help multiple times. No good. Also, the state won't step in for some reason.

There is no doubt that the Sonichu author has made very controversial decisions according to Fredrik Knudsen’s documentary, but they come nothing close to someone who is genuinely evil, like Terry Nichols or Omar al-Bashir. Otherwise, the author would be behind bars now, and we would not be talking about Sonichu today.

The situation with the author is a lot more complicated now, because of the Idea Guys, as well as the conservative views of the author’s parents. That doesn't mean that donating to the author is a good idea, due to reports of the donations going on toys and video games (rather to offset the growing debt), but comparing the author to someone genuinely evil does not add up.

I agree that Chris Chan is not evil. I doubt that they are even the worst person in their home town, since there's probably at least a few career criminals or other outright malevolent people in almost any sizeable area. They do, however, seem like an accident waiting to happen and I hope they somehow receive the structured help they need to keep them from hurting or killing someone else with their antics.

[Rojava Free State]

There is no doubt that the Sonichu author has made very controversial decisions according to Fredrik Knudsen’s documentary, but they come nothing close to someone who is genuinely evil, like Terry Nichols or Omar al-Bashir. Otherwise, the author would be behind bars now, and we would not be talking about Sonichu today.

The situation with the author is a lot more complicated now, because of the Idea Guys, as well as the conservative views of the author’s parents. That doesn't mean that donating to the author is a good idea, due to reports of the donations going on toys and video games (rather to offset the growing debt), but comparing the author to someone genuinely evil does not add up.

I agree that Chris Chan is not evil. I doubt that they are even the worst person in their home town, since there's probably at least a few career criminals or other outright malevolent people in almost any sizeable area. They do, however, seem like an accident waiting to happen and I hope they somehow receive the structured help they need to keep them from hurting or killing someone else with their antics.

Mike synder car attack 2: autistic boogaloo

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

There is no doubt that the Sonichu author has made very controversial decisions according to Fredrik Knudsen’s documentary, but they come nothing close to someone who is genuinely evil, like Terry Nichols or Omar al-Bashir. Otherwise, the author would be behind bars now, and we would not be talking about Sonichu today.

The situation with the author is a lot more complicated now, because of the Idea Guys, as well as the conservative views of the author’s parents. That doesn't mean that donating to the author is a good idea, due to reports of the donations going on toys and video games (rather to offset the growing debt), but comparing the author to someone genuinely evil does not add up.

I agree that Chris Chan is not evil. I doubt that they are even the worst person in their home town, since there's probably at least a few career criminals or other outright malevolent people in almost any sizeable area. They do, however, seem like an accident waiting to happen and I hope they somehow receive the structured help they need to keep them from hurting or killing someone else with their antics.

At this point it’s pretty much a given that she’s a danger to herself. Although I was told that since she transitioned, and is in a relationship, things have somewhat improved. Take that with a grain of salt.

[Albrenia]

I agree that Chris Chan is not evil. I doubt that they are even the worst person in their home town, since there's probably at least a few career criminals or other outright malevolent people in almost any sizeable area. They do, however, seem like an accident waiting to happen and I hope they somehow receive the structured help they need to keep them from hurting or killing someone else with their antics.

At this point it’s pretty much a given that she’s a danger to herself. Although I was told that since she transitioned, and is in a relationship, things have somewhat improved. Take that with a grain of salt.

Yeah, considering that relationship is with what is basically a fictional psychic, it's not much to count on.

Basically, they're not evil but they are most certainly either a danger, or in danger, depending on circumstance.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

At this point it’s pretty much a given that she’s a danger to herself. Although I was told that since she transitioned, and is in a relationship, things have somewhat improved. Take that with a grain of salt.

Yeah, considering that relationship is with what is basically a fictional psychic, it's not much to count on.

Basically, they're not evil but they are most certainly either a danger, or in danger, depending on circumstance.

In eithe of those circumstances intervention is merited, yes. And since it more than likely won’t come from family (close or extended), it is in everyone’s best interest if the state steps in.