Knife Attack on London Bridge - Two Dead

[Vassenor]

So where's the apologia? Or is anyone holding a view other than "all muslims should be punished for this" an apologist now?

It's people like saddiq khan who say terrorism is part of living in a city. No, it shouldn't be and the fact he said this speaks volumes. I'm glad that at least the mayor of my town didn't come out and say "the violence in the streets is normal, don't even mind it." Also there's the Islam is a religion of peace people who act like Islam doesn't encourage violence when it does, just like Christianity and judaism. I'm not of the mind that all Muslims are guilty of this because they aren't and are no worse as people than those who consider themselves republicans or democrats in my worldview, but let's have no illusion that Islam would be against brutal violence because there is no religion West of India that is except for Quakers.

Oh hey, someone else repeating a misquote. Because he never said terrorism was a fact of life in a big city.

[The East Marches II]

I said the aftermath was going to be spicy and, thankfully, it looks like I was right. The resident public apologists for a certain faction had egg on their face, the twitterati were doing damage control and we've a very lively debate in the aftermath. I'm willing to bet the media will add fuel to the fire! It's a very exciting time to be alive, don't you think?

So where's the apologia? Or is anyone holding a view other than "all muslims should be punished for this" an apologist now?

Your comment Vassenor, speaks more for my point anything I ever said could. Thank you :^)

[Rojava Free State]

It's people like saddiq khan who say terrorism is part of living in a city. No, it shouldn't be and the fact he said this speaks volumes. I'm glad that at least the mayor of my town didn't come out and say "the violence in the streets is normal, don't even mind it." Also there's the Islam is a religion of peace people who act like Islam doesn't encourage violence when it does, just like Christianity and judaism. I'm not of the mind that all Muslims are guilty of this because they aren't and are no worse as people than those who consider themselves republicans or democrats in my worldview, but let's have no illusion that Islam would be against brutal violence because there is no religion West of India that is except for Quakers.

Oh hey, someone else repeating a misquote. Because he never said terrorism was a fact of life in a big city.

Thanks for pointing me to an article that had nothing to do with the quote I referenced.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 22846.html

[The East Marches II]

Locking up a mentally disabled man for having a potato peeler is shameful. But then again, British police tackle the tough crimes like Twitter shitposts by TERFs and withholding exculpatory evidence of those who are accused of rape. Very solid job! If only the conservatives would actually do real law and order things.

Like slashing police numbers and withdrawing us from international law enforcement agencies.

I had been agreeing with the critique put forth earlier. Do try to keep up Vassenor.

Locking up a mentally disabled man for having a potato peeler is shameful. But then again, British police tackle the tough crimes like Twitter shitposts by TERFs and withholding exculpatory evidence of those who are accused of rape. Very solid job! If only the conservatives would actually do real law and order things.

No, locking up people for having things that have been specifically modified for use as weapons and/or for threatening people is totally reasonable.

Absolutely, it's perfectly normal to hold a mentally disabled man on those charges even after everything has been explained.

[Vassenor]

Oh hey, someone else repeating a misquote. Because he never said terrorism was a fact of life in a big city.

Thanks for pointing me to an article that had nothing to do with the quote I referenced.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 22846.html

And the headline outright disproves you.

Sadiq Khan: London mayor says being prepared for terror attacks 'part and parcel' of living in a major city

That's not "terrorism is part of living in a big city".

[Munkcestrian Republic]

So where's the apologia? Or is anyone holding a view other than "all muslims should be punished for this" an apologist now?

It's people like saddiq khan who say terrorism is part of living in a city. No, it shouldn't be and the fact he said this speaks volumes. I'm glad that at least the mayor of my town didn't come out and say "the violence in the streets is normal, don't even mind it." Also there's the Islam is a religion of peace people who act like Islam doesn't encourage violence when it does, just like Christianity and judaism. I'm not of the mind that all Muslims are guilty of this because they aren't and are no worse as people than those who consider themselves republicans or democrats in my worldview, but let's have no illusion that Islam would be against brutal violence because there is no religion West of India that is except for Quakers.

He said being prepared for terrorism is necessary.

[-Astoria]

It's people like saddiq khan who say terrorism is part of living in a city. [...] I'm glad that at least the mayor of my town didn't come out and say "the violence in the streets is normal, don't even mind it."

Except he didn't exactly say that...

Source:

We must be under no illusion about the scale of the threat we face. What I said - and I hope this fits into 140 characters - is, “Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you have to be prepared for these things. You have to be vigilant. You have to support the police doing an incredibly hard job”, end quote.

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Also there's the Islam is a religion of peace people who act like Islam doesn't encourage violence when it does, [...]

*sigh*
That's one thing I'm gonna disagree with you on - mainly because that phrase is just rather irritating and eyeroll-deserving.

In deciding whether Islam is a religion of peace or not, it is instructive to compare the history of Islam and pacifistic Muslim sects such as the Ahmadiyya and the Mouride Sufi order with that of the traditional peace churches whose members similarly renounce war entirely, such as the Amish and other Mennonite sects, as well as the Quakers. Notably, both the Ahmadiyyas and the Sufis are considered apostate by many other Muslims.

[Rojava Free State]

Thanks for pointing me to an article that had nothing to do with the quote I referenced.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 22846.html

And the headline outright disproves you.

Sadiq Khan: London mayor says being prepared for terror attacks 'part and parcel' of living in a major city

That's not "terrorism is part of living in a big city".

You wish it disproved me. Part and parcel as opposed to part of isn't different vass.

The facts stand as they are. A jihadist killed people again in europe, and no one wants to debate if there's a serious crisis happening because it might be considered "racist." The fact you immediately jumped to " people are gonna hate on muslims" shows to everyone here that your beliefs won't allow you to worry first and foremost about a deadly attack, because "what about the minorities."

[Munkcestrian Republic]

solution is to get rid of the armed forces except for Trident, which is currently being run by private companies and should be brought under complete government control, and spend all that money on law enforcement instead.

[Rojava Free State]

It's people like saddiq khan who say terrorism is part of living in a city. [...] I'm glad that at least the mayor of my town didn't come out and say "the violence in the streets is normal, don't even mind it."

Except he didn't exactly say that...

Source:

We must be under no illusion about the scale of the threat we face. What I said - and I hope this fits into 140 characters - is, “Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you have to be prepared for these things. You have to be vigilant. You have to support the police doing an incredibly hard job”, end quote.

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Also there's the Islam is a religion of peace people who act like Islam doesn't encourage violence when it does, [...]

*sigh*
That's one thing I'm gonna disagree with you on - mainly because that phrase is just rather irritating and eyeroll-deserving.

In deciding whether Islam is a religion of peace or not, it is instructive to compare the history of Islam and pacifistic Muslim sects such as the Ahmadiyya and the Mouride Sufi order with that of the traditional peace churches whose members similarly renounce war entirely, such as the Amish and other Mennonite sects, as well as the Quakers. Notably, both the Ahmadiyyas and the Sufis are considered apostate by many other Muslims.

do not make me go and start pulling quotes out of the Quran again. The sufis may be peaceful but the original holy book that inspired their beliefs is not.

[Vassenor]

And the headline outright disproves you.



That's not "terrorism is part of living in a big city".

You wish it disproved me. Part and parcel as opposed to part of isn't different vass.

The facts stand as they are. A jihadist killed people again in europe, and no one wants to debate if there's a serious crisis happening because it might be considered "racist." The fact you immediately jumped to " people are gonna hate on muslims" shows to everyone here that your beliefs won't allow you to worry first and foremost about a deadly attack, because "what about the minorities."

So what is the solution to the terrorism then? Because so far no-one has brought anything to the table that isn't collective punishment.

[-Astoria]

do not make me go and start pulling quotes out of the Quran again. The sufis may be peaceful but the original holy book that inspired their beliefs is not.

No need to bite my head off, though...

[Ifreann]

TBH our police force is shit no matter where you live, it's just different degrees of shitness.

Aren't you a Conservative?

He's a member of the Brexit Party.

[Rojava Free State]

You wish it disproved me. Part and parcel as opposed to part of isn't different vass.

The facts stand as they are. A jihadist killed people again in europe, and no one wants to debate if there's a serious crisis happening because it might be considered "racist." The fact you immediately jumped to " people are gonna hate on muslims" shows to everyone here that your beliefs won't allow you to worry first and foremost about a deadly attack, because "what about the minorities."

So what is the solution to the terrorism then? Because so far no-one has brought anything to the table that isn't collective punishment.

Funny you mention because I have some solutions.

#1 first and foremost the United States needs to stop giving weapons to so-called rebels in the middle east. Half the time they're jihadists

#2 jihadist rallies in Europe should be counter protested in large numbers by anyone who thinks intolerance and violence is wrong and can't be tolerated. It would be great if anti fascist action would actually protest them but unfortunately you gotta be white before AFA gets involved, otherwise you can be as much of a hateful bigot as you want.

#3 society needs to encourage a turn away from religion and toward modern science

#4 we should support ex Muslims and their stories of trials and tribulations instead of pushing them away

#5 bigotry in the name of Islam shouldn't be tolerated anymore than any other kind of bigotry. If a non Muslim man and Muslim woman want to marry, anyone who gets bent out of shape should be condemned as the asshole they are.

#6 we need to also push for a more civil society in general, in which political violence of all kinds isn't tolerated in the slightest. We can disagree without turning to the use of weapons.

#7 we need to cut off ties with Saudi arabia, one of the worst sharia states in the world

#8 Terrorists should potentially face capital punishment for their crimes

Are these perfect solutions? No, but nothing is. They're simply a starting point for how we can constructively end Islamism

[Salandriagado]

Like slashing police numbers and withdrawing us from international law enforcement agencies.

I had been agreeing with the critique put forth earlier. Do try to keep up Vassenor.

No, locking up people for having things that have been specifically modified for use as weapons and/or for threatening people is totally reasonable.

Absolutely, it's perfectly normal to hold a mentally disabled man on those charges even after everything has been explained.

Erm, yes? We can argue as to whether it should be, but the fact of the matter is that it is, everywhere.

[Fartsniffage]

Former chief crown prosecutor Nazir Afzal said he repeatedly warned of Mr Johnson of the risk posed by convicted terrorists being released from prison while still radicalised.

Mr Afzal said: "He asked me what keeps me awake at night and I told him it was this issue.

"When he wanted to know what to do about it, I told him it was more resources for one-to-one de-radicalisation.

"Back then, he hadn't found the 'money tree' so he frustratingly said there was no money."

[Rojava Free State]

Former chief crown prosecutor Nazir Afzal said he repeatedly warned of Mr Johnson of the risk posed by convicted terrorists being released from prison while still radicalised.

Mr Afzal said: "He asked me what keeps me awake at night and I told him it was this issue.

"When he wanted to know what to do about it, I told him it was more resources for one-to-one de-radicalisation.

"Back then, he hadn't found the 'money tree' so he frustratingly said there was no money."

Boris Johnson was behind this guy getting out?

Well, he does look a lot like trump. I guess he operates like him too

[Loben The 2nd]

Boris Johnson was behind this guy getting out?

Well, he does look a lot like trump. I guess he operates like him too

hell im sure he was at his hearing to pat the mans back too!

[The East Marches II]

I had been agreeing with the critique put forth earlier. Do try to keep up Vassenor.



Absolutely, it's perfectly normal to hold a mentally disabled man on those charges even after everything has been explained.

Erm, yes? We can argue as to whether it should be, but the fact of the matter is that it is, everywhere.

It isn't normal everywhere. Just in dystopian places without rights :^)

Pro-tip: this includes the States

Alas we poor renters have no right to complain!

[Ifreann]

So what is the solution to the terrorism then? Because so far no-one has brought anything to the table that isn't collective punishment.

Funny you mention because I have some solutions.

#1 first and foremost the United States needs to stop giving weapons to so-called rebels in the middle east. Half the time they're jihadists

#2 jihadist rallies in Europe should be counter protested in large numbers by anyone who thinks intolerance and violence is wrong and can't be tolerated. It would be great if anti fascist action would actually protest them but unfortunately you gotta be white before AFA gets involved, otherwise you can be as much of a hateful bigot as you want.

#3 society needs to encourage a turn away from religion and toward modern science

#4 we should support ex Muslims and their stories of trials and tribulations instead of pushing them away

#5 bigotry in the name of Islam shouldn't be tolerated anymore than any other kind of bigotry. If a non Muslim man and Muslim woman want to marry, anyone who gets bent out of shape should be condemned as the asshole they are.

#6 we need to also push for a more civil society in general, in which political violence of all kinds isn't tolerated in the slightest. We can disagree without turning to the use of weapons.

#7 we need to cut off ties with Saudi arabia, one of the worst sharia states in the world

#8 Terrorists should potentially face capital punishment for their crimes

Are these perfect solutions? No, but nothing is. They're simply a starting point for how we can constructively end Islamism

You were asked the solution to terrorism and the answer you gave is how you think we can constructively end Islamism.

Maybe have a think about that.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You were asked the solution to terrorism and the answer you gave is how you think we can constructively end Islamism.

Maybe have a think about that.

The two are intrinsically linked. Much like ending terrorism by alt-right types would require ending the ideological beliefs driving them.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Boris Johnson was behind this guy getting out?

Well, he does look a lot like trump. I guess he operates like him too

hell im sure he was at his hearing to pat the mans back too!

Wow. Terrorist convicted of terrorism commits terrorism after being let out of jail? This is breathtaking.

people need to be fired after this.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Aren't you a Conservative?

He's a member of the Brexit Party.

The Brexit Party doesn't have any members.

[Fartsniffage]

He's a member of the Brexit Party.

The Brexit Party doesn't have any members.

Nigel Farage is most definitely a member. He's also in the Brexit Party.

[The East Marches II]

You were asked the solution to terrorism and the answer you gave is how you think we can constructively end Islamism.

Maybe have a think about that.

The two are intrinsically linked. Much like ending terrorism by alt-right types would require ending the ideological beliefs driving them.

That sort of thing only applies to white people prone ideologies. Ifreann and co. don't believe brown people have agency.