Knife Attack on London Bridge - Two Dead

[Salandriagado]

The man who carried out the stab attack at London Bridge on Friday, named by police as Usman Khan, had previously been jailed for terrorism offences.

Say what you will about America, but at least we keep our terrorists locked up permanently after they commit acts of terrorism.

Doesn't seem to reduce the numbers of attacks, though, does it?

[Big Jim P]

They most certainly can.

With much effort, of course, but so can dining forks and soup spoons. Hell I'd say that a dining fork is more capable of causing significant injury than a butter knife.

Plastic ones are even less dangerous than metal ones, so you shouldn't even need an ID to buy them.

Depends more on where and how you strike rather than brute force.

[Ostroeuropa]

Say what you will about America, but at least we keep our terrorists locked up permanently after they commit acts of terrorism.

Doesn't seem to reduce the numbers of attacks, though, does it?

More people died from austerity that day than terrorism tbh.

[Rojava Free State]

I’ll rephrase it, while many theists want their religion to reign supreme, Islam is the only one that particularly calls for the destruction of non-believers and outlines policies such as the Jizyah to deliberately oppress non-Muslims in their states

In that case I agree, also not ot mention that Muslims are the only people going around beheading people for blasphemy.

I mean there's a lot of Christians in Africa that do some pretty extreme shit, let's not pretend Islam is the only violent ideology out there. Any ideology that bans criticism or reform is doomed to be bloody

[Rojava Free State]

Again, no, Islam itself is bad and deeply flawed due to above listed reasons

Which by extrapolation should make all Muslims bad by your logic. It's disingenuous as Hate the Sin, Not the Sinner.

When you can find a million violent or disturbing Quran quotes, Islam is bad. When Islam threatens those who don't believe with hell fire, it's bad. When Islam forces women to be second class citizens, it's bad. And before you bring up christianity, understand that I can't stand that religion either. Any religion that thinks it has all the answers and that those who criticize it deserve to be punished severely is an evil religion. The reason most Muslims aren't evil people is because they often don't read deeply enough into the Quran to see the weirdest quotes and those who occasionally stumble across them rationalize how the quotes aren't that bad. The Muslims who do read and understand the worst quotes of the Quran end up becoming terrorists. In a perfect world we wouldn't even have religions like the ones practiced in Europe and the middle East today, but we do and it seems like the debate is between the Christianity good, Islam bad folks, and the Christianity bad, Islam good folks. I don't fall in either camp. Christianity and Islam both are wrong for a multitude of reasons and the sooner people stop taking either of them any more seriously than we take southpark, the better.

[The Alma Mater]

What even is this thread.

A thread on the knife attack on London bridge
Sidetopics include 'muslims are ebil", "why are convicted terrorists and murderers freely walking around" and "are plastic butterknives dangerous",

[Rojava Free State]

Shitty that this will be used as more ammunition for the alt-right ethno nationalists crowd to rail against brown people and foreigners, regardless of whether they’re actually Muslim or not.

And this right here is the reason islamaphobia is a bad thing. Islamaphobia is not a fear of Islam (islam is as scary as every book by HP Lovecraft made into a movie in 3D), but a fear of Muslims as people, and a lot of times it's heavily based on race. Muslim is seen as non white and foreign and a danger to "european/American (white) culture." The truth is that Islam is no more or less foreign to Europe than Christianity is, and by the way there are European muslims. I know this theory keeps floating around that Albanians and Bosnians are turks but according to actual scientific studies, they're native Europeans and Albanians share close genetic links with greeks. That hasn't stopped alt right ideologues from claiming they're either turkic or "shipped by the Turks from the caucuses" (an even weirder theory). Most islamaphobes I've met don't offer a better alternative than Islam in its worst form. In fact their ideas may be worse because while I could always just convert to Islam if someone like ISIS took over, there's not much I can do except fight for my life or run if an army of Nazis takes over.

Criticizing Islam is good.
Hating Muslims and wanting to do serious harm to them is bad.
Hating Muslims for being brown is worse.
Hating non whites in general and wanting to kill them all is evil as hell.

[-Astoria]

What even is this thread.

A thread on the knife attack on London bridge
Sidetopics include 'muslims are ebil", "why are convicted terrorists and murderers freely walking around" and "are plastic butterknives dangerous",

Especially the former at this time, when the snarl knives are out.
Sorry if that sounded in poor taste.

[Diarcesia]

Shitty that this will be used as more ammunition for the alt-right ethno nationalists crowd to rail against brown people and foreigners, regardless of whether they’re actually Muslim or not.

And this right here is the reason islamaphobia is a bad thing. Islamaphobia is not a fear of Islam (islam is as scary as every book by HP Lovecraft made into a movie in 3D), but a fear of Muslims as people, and a lot of times it's heavily based on race. Muslim is seen as non white and foreign and a danger to "european/American (white) culture." The truth is that Islam is no more or less foreign to Europe than Christianity is, and by the way there are European muslims. I know this theory keeps floating around that Albanians and Bosnians are turks but according to actual scientific studies, they're native Europeans and Albanians share close genetic links with greeks. That hasn't stopped alt right ideologues from claiming they're either turkic or "shipped by the Turks from the caucuses" (an even weirder theory). Most islamaphobes I've met don't offer a better alternative than Islam in its worst form. In fact their ideas may be worse because while I could always just convert to Islam if someone like ISIS took over, there's not much I can do except fight for my life or run if an army of Nazis takes over.

Criticizing Islam is good.
Hating Muslims and wanting to do serious harm to them is bad.
Hating Muslims for being brown is worse.
Hating non whites in general and wanting to kill them all is evil as hell.

I might consider it a branch of anti-Semitism since Arabic is a Semitic language and wouldn't be too much of a stretch to classify Arabs as Semitic in a previous era.

This is why I never believe Islamophobia is a thing. Arabophobia with a side dish of valid criticism of Islam is what it really is. It's paralleled with how anti-Jewish ideas sneak in to criticism of the Israeli government's corrupt practices.

A thread on the knife attack on London bridge
Sidetopics include 'muslims are ebil", "why are convicted terrorists and murderers freely walking around" and "are plastic butterknives dangerous",

Especially the former at this time, when the snarl knives are out.
Sorry if that sounded in poor taste.

Good point.
Also sorry.

[Rojava Free State]

And this right here is the reason islamaphobia is a bad thing. Islamaphobia is not a fear of Islam (islam is as scary as every book by HP Lovecraft made into a movie in 3D), but a fear of Muslims as people, and a lot of times it's heavily based on race. Muslim is seen as non white and foreign and a danger to "european/American (white) culture." The truth is that Islam is no more or less foreign to Europe than Christianity is, and by the way there are European muslims. I know this theory keeps floating around that Albanians and Bosnians are turks but according to actual scientific studies, they're native Europeans and Albanians share close genetic links with greeks. That hasn't stopped alt right ideologues from claiming they're either turkic or "shipped by the Turks from the caucuses" (an even weirder theory). Most islamaphobes I've met don't offer a better alternative than Islam in its worst form. In fact their ideas may be worse because while I could always just convert to Islam if someone like ISIS took over, there's not much I can do except fight for my life or run if an army of Nazis takes over.

Criticizing Islam is good.
Hating Muslims and wanting to do serious harm to them is bad.
Hating Muslims for being brown is worse.
Hating non whites in general and wanting to kill them all is evil as hell.

I might consider it a branch of anti-Semitism since Arabic is a Semitic language and wouldn't be too much of a stretch to classify Arabs as Semitic in a previous era.

This is why I never believe Islamophobia is a thing. Arabophobia with a side dish of valid criticism of Islam is what it really is. It's paralleled with how anti-Jewish ideas sneak in to criticism of the Israeli government's corrupt practices.

you gotta be careful with what you call antisemitism because certain Jewish people think the term ought to apply only to Jews (Arabs are semitic, as are the amharas of Ethiopia and Assyrians of Iraq). And as I've come to realize, islamaphobia is heavily based around arabophobia and a fear of all things middle eastern. A lot of the complaints made about Muslims (they don't assimilate, they're violent, their culture is foreign) are made in my area by the usual suspects about Assyrians and christian Albanians as well, and of course about mexicans, so I'm certain it's heavily based around racism, just like how historical anti semitism was

[Otira]

Shitty that this will be used as more ammunition for the alt-right ethno nationalists crowd to rail against brown people and foreigners, regardless of whether they’re actually Muslim or not.

Makes me wonder if Islamic fundamentalists are accelerationists who want that.

[Bear Stearns]

Shitty that this will be used as more ammunition for the alt-right ethno nationalists crowd to rail against brown people and foreigners, regardless of whether they’re actually Muslim or not.

Yeah, the people who got stabbed are boring. The real victims are those who are persecuted by an imaginary anti-Islamic purge I've concocted in my head.

[Diarcesia]

Shitty that this will be used as more ammunition for the alt-right ethno nationalists crowd to rail against brown people and foreigners, regardless of whether they’re actually Muslim or not.

Yeah, the people who got stabbed are boring. The real victims are those who are persecuted by an imaginary anti-Islamic purge I've concocted in my head.

Why not both categories are victims? Are we gonna go full collective punishment on the perpetrators?