Should the CPUSA Be Outlawed and Forcefully Disbanded?

[Gormwood]

Well nobody is going to arrest you for thinking it's okay to belong to a communist party if you don't actually do it either.

If the communist party is not committing violent acts, there's no reason to disband them

You understand that once we allow commie hunting, the government under the blessing of its rich corporate sponsors is probably gonna just label anti globalist protesters, native land rights demonstrators and anti wall street politicians as "communists" so they'll be arrested. I'm not down with that

He's not gonna care until they go after gunz.

[Black Moon Archmagocracy]

I am totally for allowing Nazis to goosestep through the streets, communists to drop the communist manifesto on doorsteps and black nationalists to rail against white people. I support all these things at once because the alternative is a slippery slope of restricting speech, widespread violence and a police state in america. Once you give the government the power to arrest people for ideas, they're gonna exploit that and go after whoever they want under the guise of "security"

Your liberal grandstanding aside, the CPUSA is an establishment organization- they front democrats. The government isn’t going to censor it’s own organization.

[Gormwood]

I am totally for allowing Nazis to goosestep through the streets, communists to drop the communist manifesto on doorsteps and black nationalists to rail against white people. I support all these things at once because the alternative is a slippery slope of restricting speech, widespread violence and a police state in america. Once you give the government the power to arrest people for ideas, they're gonna exploit that and go after whoever they want under the guise of "security"

Your liberal grandstanding aside, the CPUSA is an establishment organization- they front democrats. The government isn’t going to censor it’s own organization.

Yeah, we see how all the Democrats are dying to court the CPUSA endorsement.

[Purgatio]

Even if you wanted to outlaw or disband the CPUSA, how do you plan on achieving that outcome lawfully? The Supreme Court has made it pretty clear that the abstract advocacy of violent overthrow of the government that does not incite specific and imminent violence is protected speech under the First Amendment, so this would be a content-specific ban on freedom of association which is considered protected speech under NAACP v. Alabama (1958) and NAACP v. Button (1963) and more recently in Communist Party of Indiana v. Whitcomb (1974) it was held that it was contrary to the First Amendment to ban the CPI from running on the ballot, reaffirming the principle that "constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action...the mere abstract teaching...of the moral propriety or even moral necessity for a resort to force and violence, is not the same as preparing a group for violent action and steeling it to such action...a statute which fails to draw this distinction impermissibly intrudes upon the freedoms guaranteed by the First and Fourteenth Amendments" and "sweeps within its condemnation speech which our Constitution has immunized from governmental control".

So yeah, its pretty clear there's just no possible way the OP's plan can even be implemented lawfully and constitutionally, so it seems a moot discussion unless you can find a way to procure a constitutional amendment just to disband the CPUSA.

[Liriena]

I agree that they should be disbanded because at this point they're probably 99% cops and snitches.

[Gormwood]

I agree that they should be disbanded because at this point they're probably 99% cops and snitches.

It's like that militia infiltrated by undercover cops that happened to be founded by an undercover cop.

[Rojava Free State]

I am totally for allowing Nazis to goosestep through the streets, communists to drop the communist manifesto on doorsteps and black nationalists to rail against white people. I support all these things at once because the alternative is a slippery slope of restricting speech, widespread violence and a police state in america. Once you give the government the power to arrest people for ideas, they're gonna exploit that and go after whoever they want under the guise of "security"

Your liberal grandstanding aside, the CPUSA is an establishment organization- they front democrats. The government isn’t going to censor it’s own organization.

no one is grand standing. I'm just not some reactionary from the 1950s out hunting anyone I perceive to be a communist in the name of "national security." And if the communist party of the United States is a Democrat front then this whole conversation is moot. It's not like I even liked them before I knew this. I just don't want to start a witch hunt in america, because you all remember how our very first witch hunt went

[Black Moon Archmagocracy]

Yeah, we see how all the Democrats are dying to court the CPUSA endorsement.

The CPUSA is there are to incorporate milqtoast socialists. Specifically supporting democrats isn’t the point, but that is what they do if you go and join.

[Kubra]

Sure, whatever, no one will miss it anyways. They're as important to the left as the Whig party is as important to, uh, no one.

[Gormwood]

Yeah, we see how all the Democrats are dying to court the CPUSA endorsement.

The CPUSA is there are to incorporate milqtoast socialists. Specifically supporting democrats isn’t the point, but they is what they do if you go and join.

And Bernie Sanders is milquetoast? They're Doing It Wrong.

[Gormwood]

Sure, whatever, no one will miss it anyways. They're as important to the left as the Whig party is as important to, uh, no one.

But gotta give them street cred by banning them.

[Telconi]

Well nobody is going to arrest you for thinking it's okay to belong to a communist party if you don't actually do it either.

If the communist party is not committing violent acts, there's no reason to disband them

You understand that once we allow commie hunting, the government under the blessing of its rich corporate sponsors is probably gonna just label anti globalist protesters, native land rights demonstrators and anti wall street politicians as "communists" so they'll be arrested. I'm not down with that

And if we let the commies hang around we're all going to stand in circles and sing kumbaya? The idea that the government will be nice if we're only just tolerant of intolerable acts is silly.

[Luna Amore]

I am totally for allowing Nazis to goosestep through the streets, communists to drop the communist manifesto on doorsteps and black nationalists to rail against white people. I support all these things at once because the alternative is a slippery slope of restricting speech, widespread violence and a police state in america. Once you give the government the power to arrest people for ideas, they're gonna exploit that and go after whoever they want under the guise of "security"

Your liberal grandstanding aside, the CPUSA is an establishment organization- they front democrats. The government isn’t going to censor it’s own organization.

"Your liberal grandstanding aside"

I snorted my diet coke through my nose.

[Black Moon Archmagocracy]

And Bernie Sanders is milquetoast? They're Doing It Wrong.

He’s a spokesman. He can’t implement the reforms he talks about from within the Democratic Party. He doesn’t have their support.

[Telconi]

If the communist party is not committing violent acts, there's no reason to disband them

You understand that once we allow commie hunting, the government under the blessing of its rich corporate sponsors is probably gonna just label anti globalist protesters, native land rights demonstrators and anti wall street politicians as "communists" so they'll be arrested. I'm not down with that

He's not gonna care until they go after gunz.

Yes, I'll care about them continuing to exist when they do even worse things. Do you stop to think before hysterically saying something about guns every time I post?

[Black Moon Archmagocracy]

Communists don’t go after guns, that’s liberals.

[Kubra]

Sure, whatever, no one will miss it anyways. They're as important to the left as the Whig party is as important to, uh, no one.

But gotta give them street cred by banning them.

like, this is a classic mistake. Fun fact, when Marcos in the Philippines made the little ol' Maoists his bogeyman, hyped up the threat of maybe a dozen or so guys in the jungle, all of a sudden thousands figured "well maybe they're on to something". Dude ironically created the ongoing communist insurgency just by opposing it.

[Greed and Death]

We should outlaw all communist parties tbh

Only if all political parties are also eligible for this treatment.

Compromise all left winged parties may be outlawed.

So say we all.

[Gormwood]

Only if all political parties are also eligible for this treatment.

Compromise all left winged parties may be outlawed.

So say we all.

When there's no left, no way to tell what's right. It'll be hilarious to watch anything left of fascists getting banned.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Pretty sure I've already said this twice or maybe three times but given how many posters seem to have not be aware allow me to say it yet again:

I am not proposing this because I am an Anti-Communist (which I am); I am proposing this because the CPUSA has been irrefutably linked to the KGB/NKVD in the past. There are several dozen Communist/Socialist parties in America - some of which are larger than the CPUSA - and I have no problem with any of them existing as they have never been linked to acts of espionage. I am not targeting CPUSA just for them being Communist. Being an Anti-Communist doesn't mean I'm a McCarthyist, for fucks sake.

[Kubra]

Only if all political parties are also eligible for this treatment.

Compromise all left winged parties may be outlawed.

So say we all.

should this have been so in 1854

[Gormwood]

Pretty sure I've already said this twice or maybe three times but given how many posters seem to have not be aware allow me to say it yet again:

I am not proposing this because I am an Anti-Communist (which I am); I am proposing this because the CPUSA has been irrefutably linked to the KGB/NKVD in the past. There are several dozen Communist/Socialist parties in America - some of which are larger than the CPUSA - and I have no problem with any of them existing as they have never been linked to acts of espionage. I am not targeting CPUSA just for them being Communist. Being an Anti-Communist doesn't mean I'm a McCarthyist, for fucks sake.

The KGB and NKVD died out too, unless you're saying Putin is a Secret Commie.

[The New California Republic]

I am proposing this because the CPUSA has been irrefutably linked to the KGB/NKVD in the past.

Neither of which exists anymore. So what's the problem?

[Black Moon Archmagocracy]

The Soviet Union is dead and the CPUSA fronts democrats.

[GlobalControl]

Pretty sure I've already said this twice or maybe three times but given how many posters seem to have not be aware allow me to say it yet again:

I am not proposing this because I am an Anti-Communist (which I am); I am proposing this because the CPUSA has been irrefutably linked to the KGB/NKVD in the past. There are several dozen Communist/Socialist parties in America - some of which are larger than the CPUSA - and I have no problem with any of them existing as they have never been linked to acts of espionage. I am not targeting CPUSA just for them being Communist. Being an Anti-Communist doesn't mean I'm a McCarthyist, for fucks sake.

Arrest the people that have actually done something wrong and give them befitting sentences for their crime, IF it can be proven they committed such a crime - but don't disband the party.
The party itself will either shrivel up and die or remain in its I guess stagnant state.