Should the CPUSA Be Outlawed and Forcefully Disbanded?

[Gormwood]

Validating and hyping a perennial also-ran that couldn't be implicated in a plot to organize a hippie commune by demanding they be banned and disbanded. Do you also plan to boost Nike sales by hiring some guerillas to gun down customers at shoe stores?

Do you plan on making sense today?

Missing a reference integral to the website. That is sad.

[Andsed]

Nope. Any members caught doing illegal acts but the party as a whole should be allowed to remain. Banning entire parties because of the action of some of it''s members(I doubt that the entire party has engaged in these illegal acts) is a terrible idea and sets a bad precedent.

[Forumland]

China and Russia would just infiltrate the big two if they want influence in American politics. this isn't the 1940s*

*tangentially related, but only 10% of Americans in 1948 would tolerate communists. 69% wanted to perform some sort of corrective action:

[Heloin]

China and Russia would just infiltrate the big two if they want influence in American politics. this isn't the 1940s*

*tangentially related, but only 14% of Americans in 1948 would tolerate communists. 65% wanted to perform some sort of corrective action:

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I find it funny that a Gallup poll would contain the option to shoot them, hang them.

[Vivolkha]

The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore and the CPUSA is hardly relevant at all in American politics, not to mention it has minimal popular support. Prosecute individual members if needed (after 30+ years, they might no longer be in the party or alive to begin with) else leave CPUSA alone.

America's enemies are surely spying the US through other means, and as somebody else pointed out when infiltrating political parties might as well infiltrate the only two that really matter.

[Rojava Free State]

China and Russia would just infiltrate the big two if they want influence in American politics. this isn't the 1940s*

*tangentially related, but only 10% of Americans in 1948 would tolerate communists. 69% wanted to perform some sort of corrective action:

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Americans in 1948 were worried about communism taking their freedom away while people were being lynched down south over their skin color. Talk about not having their priorities straight

Also a lot of the anti communist hype in the cold war was pushed by the ruling class in order to silence critics of their policies, just like a lot of the anti communist and anti Nazi hype today is done for the same reasons. You label someone who isn't remotely a maoist a commie and then you tell his job to fire him and push him out of the public square. It's like a soft dictatorship. Support better pay for workers? You're a communist. Support better working conditions? You're a communist. Wanna end the war in vietnam? communist. Are you gay? Communist.

[Forumland]

the CPUSA was also technically banned from 1954 to 1973 but nobody cared because it was a joke. and this was in the wake of the McCarthyist era as well! then in 1973 the courts ruled the ban unconstitutional and nothing changed

China and Russia would just infiltrate the big two if they want influence in American politics. this isn't the 1940s*

*tangentially related, but only 14% of Americans in 1948 would tolerate communists. 65% wanted to perform some sort of corrective action:
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I find it funny that a Gallup poll would contain the option to shoot them, hang them.

Back in the good old days Gallup asked you if you wanted to "kill all Japanese", and more than 10% of people said yes. Half the army supported it too, and around a quarter of the infantry also wanted to exterminate the Germans. Some of our ancestors had some pretty disturbing opinions and its good to be aware of that fact

[Ethel mermania]

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

You are a wobblie, close enough.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

If you want to arrest members of the CPUSA for crimes, that's fine, but I'm not in favor of outlawing an entire party, especially when they've been quiet in recent years.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The CPUSA isn't even communist anymore.

[Nakena]

The CPUSA as organization is an relic of an past era; an anarchronistic entity that belongs into a political museum where living examples of historical political movements are presented to the visitors to demonstrate their absurdity.

On the other hand however the ideology however is very alive again.

While I fully understand the motivations to go to something to change the problems within (american) society and nation that undoubtly exists, to go for an totalitarian circut-logic (and repeatedly failed) ideology like (marxist) communism is big - and horribly unoriginal - mistake and will only result in a different type of self-slavery and prison to those who subscribe to it.

[Rojava Free State]

The CPUSA as organization is an relic of an past era; an anarchronistic entity that belongs into a political museum where living examples of historical political movements are presented to the visitors to demonstrate their absurdity.

On the other hand however the ideology however is very alive again.

While I fully understand the motivations to go to something to change the problems within (american) society and nation that undoubtly exists, to go for an totalitarian circut-logic (and repeatedly failed) ideology like (marxist) communism is big - and horribly unoriginal - mistake and will only result in a different type of self-slavery and prison to those who subscribe to it.

Above all else, any movement in our society to change things must be built on anti authoritarianism. That must be the most important principle of the movement, because any and all authoritarianism no matter how benevolent it may claim to be is a danger to human lives

[Nakena]

The CPUSA as organization is an relic of an past era; an anarchronistic entity that belongs into a political museum where living examples of historical political movements are presented to the visitors to demonstrate their absurdity.

On the other hand however the ideology however is very alive again.

While I fully understand the motivations to go to something to change the problems within (american) society and nation that undoubtly exists, to go for an totalitarian circut-logic (and repeatedly failed) ideology like (marxist) communism is big - and horribly unoriginal - mistake and will only result in a different type of self-slavery and prison to those who subscribe to it.

Above all else, any movement in our society to change things must be built on anti authoritarianism. That must be the most important principle of the movement, because any and all authoritarianism no matter how benevolent it may claim to be is a danger to human lives

Theres other forms of socialism or more egalitarian models around. Nordic model for example. Or stuff nobody knows about. Its not like people in the past hundred years haven't been thinking out new things in the meantime. Probably only waiting to be discovered.

Marxism is of all them the most unoriginal, most desastrous and most toxic. The only reason why it is still present because it had, even after its collapse of 1989, still enough adherents and traditional and cultural inertia to survive long enough to rise again after the economic crises. (the same is true for Nazism too)

People take it because its there. Not because its the best.

[The New California Republic]

Theres other forms of socialism or more egalitarian models around. Nordic model for example. Or stuff nobody knows about. Its not like people in the past hundred years haven't been thinking out new things in the meantime. Probably only waiting to be discovered.

Marxism is of all them the most unoriginal, most desastrous and most toxic.

It can be useful to take elements of Marxism for use in models of socialism, as Marx's writings still have value in terms of how they discuss various facets of society and the working class; but adhering to it like a rigid unchanging doctrine isn't helpful. Marx even admitted at several points that the ideas themselves will inevitably need to change and evolve as the history of the working class unfolds.

[Nakena]

Theres other forms of socialism or more egalitarian models around. Nordic model for example. Or stuff nobody knows about. Its not like people in the past hundred years haven't been thinking out new things in the meantime. Probably only waiting to be discovered.

Marxism is of all them the most unoriginal, most desastrous and most toxic.

It can be useful to take elements of Marxism for use in models of socialism, as Marx's writings still have value in terms of how they discuss various facets of society and the working class; but adhering to it like a rigid unchanging doctrine isn't helpful. Marx even admitted at several points that the ideas themselves will inevitably need to change and evolve as the history of the working class unfolds.

How about no?

And instead picking something more original that isn't as toxic?

[The New California Republic]

It can be useful to take elements of Marxism for use in models of socialism, as Marx's writings still have value in terms of how they discuss various facets of society and the working class; but adhering to it like a rigid unchanging doctrine isn't helpful. Marx even admitted at several points that the ideas themselves will inevitably need to change and evolve as the history of the working class unfolds.

How about no?

And instead picking something more original that isn't as toxic?

Re-read what I said, as judging by your reaction you seem to think that something a lot worse is happening here than actually is.

[Gladesville]

Freedom of speech and association being some of the most important rights in any civilised society, no.

The US hasn't treated people who use that right (of speech) above any quality above Blacks until 1963, Asians until 1948, and Mexicans until the future.

[Ifreann]

How about no?

And instead picking something more original that isn't as toxic?

Re-read what I said, as judging by your reaction you seem to think that something a lot worse is happening here than actually is.

See, you're talking about Marxism as if it's a theoretical framework through which to analyse elements of society. And that's very disrespectful to all the people who've worked very hard creating propaganda to convince you that Marxism is a murderous ideology of universal misery.

[Libertasnia]

The FBI could just stop paying their dues and it'd probably collapse on its own.

^Indeed.

Hardly a Communist Party when its own General Secretary quits and starts barking for Democrats. There's no threat from the CPUSA, and if there were any true and really credible accusations of espionage that haven't already been investigated/prosecuted by the US law enforcement system, I'd be beyond surprised.

[Totenborg]

The Communist Party of the United States of America is a very old Communist Party that originated in 1919 when it split from the Socialist Party of America following diverging views on the Russian Revolution. While in it's early history it can boast having played a role in opposing racism & segregation and supporting the labor movement in America, these noble actions soon fell out of interest around the 1930s when the party becoming increasingly closer to the Soviet Union culminating in direct funding from Moscow, communication and cooperation with the KGB/NKVD, and outright acts of espionage with the intent to undermine the efforts of the United States to curb the imperialistic influence of the repressive and tyrannical Soviet Union. It's ties to Moscow ended in 1989 with it's opposition to Perestroika and Glasnost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist ... _espionage

It is no secret that I am a fervent Anti-Communist and I trust by now many of you on NSG will know that plainly. That being said, as an American I uphold the tenants of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Association as virtues of deep cultural importance to my country and will gladly defend the right's of my fellow Americans to speak their mind and associate freely without fear of persecution by the government. However, a line must be drawn when it comes to outright subversion against the United States by Fifth Column elements at the behest of foreign powers; something that CPUSA has proven to have been involved in. 1989 was only 30 years ago, so I don't believe this is coming too little too late at all. I believe it was criminally negligent that it was not addressed sooner. In a time when Chinese and Russian interference in American internal politics is becoming increasingly more common, it is only fair we address foreign interference in the past that went largely ignored by the government.

As long as it still exists the CPUSA - in my opinion - is a threat to the integrity of the United States as it has already proven it is willing to blindly follow and serve a foreign power for over 50 years by any means including financial aid to our allies, war time efforts, foreign policy, and even the development of more advanced weapons. It is no secret the CPUSA played a vital role in Soviet infiltration of the Manhattan Project allowing for one of the most despotic and oppressive countries in recent history to attain weapons of mass destruction that then enabled it to hold the world hostage as it spread it's sickening influence across the globe, setting up more genocidal, totalitarian dictatorships in the process that proceeded to bring their respective countries to ruin until their Communist Parties were overthrown. Some of which were not so lucky to escape the binds of Marxism, and continue to toil under increasingly Orwellian regimes such as the illegitimate states of North Korea and the so-called "People's Republic" of China; the latter of which is quite literally the only country on Earth that can accurately be compared to the Third Reich.

It is evident, then that the CPUSA (from my point of view) represents a danger to America's political integrity as, unlike any other Communist or Socialist Party in the United States, it has explicitly supported a former enemy of the USA through covert actions in the past and there is nothing to suggest it will not in the future. We're not talking Moscow's indirect support for Mitch McConnell via the NRA, no, we're talking direct funding from Moscow to the CPUSA and actions taken by the CPUSA to undermine the U.S. and aid Soviet ambitions and intelligence. Thus, I propose that the CPUSA be outlawed and forcefully disbanded on the grounds that it cannot be trusted to participate in the governance of any town, city, county, state, or even the entire country at large.

What say ye, NSG?

The government hasn't shut down the fascist organizations despite their far worse crimes, so why should they outlaw the commies?

[Outer Sparta]

Is this 2019 or the Cold War?

[Totenborg]

The CPUSA as organization is an relic of an past era; an anarchronistic entity that belongs into a political museum where living examples of historical political movements are presented to the visitors to demonstrate their absurdity.

On the other hand however the ideology however is very alive again.

While I fully understand the motivations to go to something to change the problems within (american) society and nation that undoubtly exists, to go for an totalitarian circut-logic (and repeatedly failed) ideology like (marxist) communism is big - and horribly unoriginal - mistake and will only result in a different type of self-slavery and prison to those who subscribe to it.

Above all else, any movement in our society to change things must be built on anti authoritarianism. That must be the most important principle of the movement, because any and all authoritarianism no matter how benevolent it may claim to be is a danger to human lives

Well said.

[Greed and Death]

Just as I say with the fascist the secret to beating the commies is ignoring them.
If you take to the streets and get in fist fights with them like Antifa you just employer them.

[The Union of the West]

CPUSA is just a meme.

[Ifreann]

Just as I say with the fascist the secret to beating the commies is ignoring them.
If you take to the streets and get in fist fights with them like Antifa you just employer them.

Nah man, George Soros employs them.