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Adamantium Archmagocracy wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Never mind that the Republicans are far bigger corporate shills than the Democrats could ever hope to be.

Pretty sure both of them are. And if you take money from the insurance lobby and oppose Medicare for all, well, then you’re a corporate stooge. What “conspiracy”?

You realize you just described Sean Hannity, right?

Rojava Free State wrote:

Telconi wrote:
And then you get to put them in jail for inciting riots. How is this a problem?

You know Britain once tried to stomp out an ideology in ireland back in 1919. 100 years later, southern Ireland is gone and northern Ireland remains in a cold war between Loyalist and separatist groups. It isn't as easy as "just put them in jail" friendo. This is why we have a free market place of ideas, because otherwise you get what northern Ireland had for three decades, the troubles.

And the "free marketplace of ideas" has worked out splendidly right?

Rojava Free State wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Only if we distort the definition of fascism to mean any government that delivers justice on wrongdoers.

Thought crime isn't wrong doing

And just shockingly unenforceable.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Adamantium Archmagocracy wrote:Ban them for fronting democrats if you’ve had enough corporate government.

Will you stop bellowing this ridiculous conspiracy theory?

Never mind that the Republicans are far bigger corporate shills than the Democrats could ever hope to be.

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a fact both parties are corporate shills

very good topic to discuss, NSG!

Telconi wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
You know Britain once tried to stomp out an ideology in ireland back in 1919. 100 years later, southern Ireland is gone and northern Ireland remains in a cold war between Loyalist and separatist groups. It isn't as easy as "just put them in jail" friendo. This is why we have a free market place of ideas, because otherwise you get what northern Ireland had for three decades, the troubles.

And the "free marketplace of ideas" has worked out splendidly right?

Compared to northern ireland, South Africa and everywhere else a government tried to silence an idea, it's worked phenomenally. you being offended by communism is a wonderful alternative compared to terror attacks and a gestapo style police force disappearing people for having the wrong opinions

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Adamantium Archmagocracy wrote:Ban them for fronting democrats if you’ve had enough corporate government.

Will you stop bellowing this ridiculous conspiracy theory?

Never mind that the Republicans are far bigger corporate shills than the Democrats could ever hope to be.

Only to the extent that Republicans are against the free market. I'd say Democrats and their regulations help big business more than the Republicans, though.

Rojava Free State wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Will you stop bellowing this ridiculous conspiracy theory?

Never mind that the Republicans are far bigger corporate shills than the Democrats could ever hope to be.

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a fact both parties are corporate shills

I meant the CPUSA "fronting" the Dems.

I'm well aware both the Dems and GOP (especially the GOP) are in bed with every megacorp from here to Alaska.

Antityranicals wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Will you stop bellowing this ridiculous conspiracy theory?

Never mind that the Republicans are far bigger corporate shills than the Democrats could ever hope to be.

Only to the extent that Republicans are against the free market. I'd say Democrats and their regulations help big business more than the Republicans, though.

I don't think he Republicans are against the free market by any means. Their deregulation measures are designed to spur the free market, at the expense of the environment and often less wealthy Americans.

love how OP had to clarify how they're nothing like the GOP though LOL

The South Falls wrote:

Antityranicals wrote:Only to the extent that Republicans are against the free market. I'd say Democrats and their regulations help big business more than the Republicans, though.

I don't think he Republicans are against the free market by any means. Their deregulation measures are designed to spur the free market, at the expense of the environment and often less wealthy Americans.

The free market cannot hurt less wealthy Americans, that's not possible. How would that even work? Rather, the free market gives those Americans more choices, meaning lower prices and/or higher quality.

The business subsidies which Republicans often favor, however, do hurt less wealthy Americans, by allowing companies to be unproductive, not serving Americans as they should, while still getting bailed out by the governments.

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:very good topic to discuss, NSG!

With you I can never tell if you're being sarcastic or serious.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Adamantium Archmagocracy wrote:Pretty sure both of them are. And if you take money from the insurance lobby and oppose Medicare for all, well, then you’re a corporate stooge. What “conspiracy”?

You realize you just described Sean Hannity, right?

And Pete Buttigieg. Maybe one day you’ll even catch on to the whole capitalist ruling class thing, but I won’t hold my breath.

The South Falls wrote:

Antityranicals wrote:Only to the extent that Republicans are against the free market. I'd say Democrats and their regulations help big business more than the Republicans, though.

I don't think he Republicans are against the free market by any means. Their deregulation measures are designed to spur the free market, at the expense of the environment and often less wealthy Americans.

It's a paradox. There comes a point when the free market kills itself and that event horizon is called "monopolies." When a corporation buys out an entire sector of the economy, the free market essentially disappears, because now you have no choices. If BigPharmaCorp buys every drug company in america, they can now set prices as high as they want and get lazy with their product standards, because people won't have anywhere else to go if they're tired of BigPharmaCorp. Imagine if wow bought out every other service provider in america. They could provide grade F quality internet for all of us because they know they're the best we'll get. No one will out do them. Republicans support complete deregulation but fail to realize that monopolies and other horrible shady practices will end up bringing down the free market if no base line regulations exist

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Gormwood wrote:Cracking down on thoughtcrime... how communist of you.

What thoughtcrime? If you're going to grasp at straws make sure the straws exist first.

Antityranicals wrote:Then arrest the traitors, don't ban the party.

Banning the party would be more like serving a warning than actual justice; essentially saying "don't tolerate this shit in your party or you'll be shut down".

Of course the actual traitors go to court.

Farnhamia wrote:Please point out the acts of treason. I would love to learn.

You mean the ones already pointed out in the OP?

Yes. The people who helped the Soviets get the Bomb were punished. What other nefarious crimes has the CPUSA perpetrated against our great nation? You know, like ... lately?

Antityranicals wrote:

The South Falls wrote:I don't think he Republicans are against the free market by any means. Their deregulation measures are designed to spur the free market, at the expense of the environment and often less wealthy Americans.

The free market cannot hurt less wealthy Americans, that's not possible. How would that even work? Rather, the free market gives those Americans more choices, meaning lower prices and/or higher quality.

"Unrestrained capitalism is a great thing; it does wonders for standards of living of everyone, especially the poor."

Why do you even try to push this line

Rojava Free State wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Only if we distort the definition of fascism to mean any government that delivers justice on wrongdoers.

Thought crime isn't wrong doing

Good thing I'm not talking about thought crime.

The South Falls wrote:

Antityranicals wrote:Only to the extent that Republicans are against the free market. I'd say Democrats and their regulations help big business more than the Republicans, though.

I don't think he Republicans are against the free market by any means. Their deregulation measures are designed to spur the free market, at the expense of the environment and often less wealthy Americans.

Being pro-monopolies automatically makes you anti-free market. Just sayin'.

Antityranicals wrote:The free market cannot hurt less wealthy Americans, that's not possible. How would that even work? Rather, the free market gives those Americans more choices, meaning lower prices and/or higher quality.

US healthcare is more expensive than that of states with universal healthcare.

Telconi wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
Thought crime isn't wrong doing

Good thing I'm not talking about thought crime.

Jailing people for being communists is exactly that though

The South Falls wrote:

Antityranicals wrote:Only to the extent that Republicans are against the free market. I'd say Democrats and their regulations help big business more than the Republicans, though.

I don't think he Republicans are against the free market by any means. Their deregulation measures are designed to spur the free market, at the expense of the environment and often less wealthy Americans.

They still support a great number of regulations and limitations on industry.

Rojava Free State wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Good thing I'm not talking about thought crime.

Jailing people for being communists is exactly that though

Something I've never advocated is thought crime. Okay, and your point?

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a fact both parties are corporate shills

I meant the CPUSA "fronting" the Dems.

I'm well aware both the Dems and GOP (especially the GOP) are in bed with every megacorp from here to Alaska.

The CPUSA supports democrats. I am not aware of any other Communist party that does this. And no, DSA doesn’t count, DSA basically supports “New Deal” politics.

Farnhamia wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
What thoughtcrime? If you're going to grasp at straws make sure the straws exist first.



Banning the party would be more like serving a warning than actual justice; essentially saying "don't tolerate this shit in your party or you'll be shut down".

Of course the actual traitors go to court.



You mean the ones already pointed out in the OP?

Yes. The people who helped the Soviets get the Bomb were punished. What other nefarious crimes has the CPUSA perpetrated against our great nation? You know, like ... lately?

I have the feeling the OP is just performance art.

Black Moon Archmagocracy wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
You realize you just described Sean Hannity, right?

And Pete Buttigieg. Maybe one day you’ll even catch on to the whole capitalist ruling class thing, but I won’t hold my breath.

Maybe one day you'll realize America hasn't been Capitalist for quite a while now.

Farnhamia wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
What thoughtcrime? If you're going to grasp at straws make sure the straws exist first.



Banning the party would be more like serving a warning than actual justice; essentially saying "don't tolerate this shit in your party or you'll be shut down".

Of course the actual traitors go to court.



You mean the ones already pointed out in the OP?

Yes. The people who helped the Soviets get the Bomb were punished. What other nefarious crimes has the CPUSA perpetrated against our great nation? You know, like ... lately?

Lately? None. But that's irrelevant.

Telconi wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
Thought crime isn't wrong doing

Good thing I'm not talking about thought crime.

Literally no one was talking about thought crime at all.

Gormwood just threw it at me without basis in what is ironically a totally McCarthyist move.

Rojava Free State wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Good thing I'm not talking about thought crime.

Jailing people for being communists is exactly that though

Good thing nobody is advocating that except WRA who has only posted once.