Should the CPUSA Be Outlawed and Forcefully Disbanded?

[Gormwood]

The Soviet Union is dead and the CPUSA fronts democrats.

They do a bad job of it given how Republicans like to shriek about Democrats being socialist.

[Telconi]

The Soviet Union is dead and the CPUSA fronts democrats.

Reason enough to lock 'em up.

[Black Moon Archmagocracy]

The Soviet Union is dead and the CPUSA fronts democrats.

They do a bad job of it given how Republicans like to shriek about Democrats being socialost.

I wouldn’t expect the CPUSA to be good at much of anything, but then I don’t watch them.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I am proposing this because the CPUSA has been irrefutably linked to the KGB/NKVD in the past.

Neither of which exists anymore. So what's the problem?

Irrelevant. The party has proven it is willing to engage in covert acts of subversion, sabotage, and espionage in the name of a foreign power that financially backed them. Who is to say they won't do it again? Disband the party, prosecute those proven to have been involved in such acts (whether current or former members), and then let the innocent find other Communist parties to affiliate with. Why anyone would even want to be in a party whose reputation has been so tarnished by indisputable facts I can't even fathom.

[Gormwood]

But gotta give them street cred by banning them.

like, this is a classic mistake. Fun fact, when Marcos in the Philippines made the little ol' Maoists his bogeyman, hyped up the threat of maybe a dozen or so guys in the jungle, all of a sudden thousands figured "well maybe they're on to something". Dude ironically created the ongoing communist insurgency just by opposing it.

Streissand Effect.

[Black Moon Archmagocracy]

The party has proven it is willing to engage in covert acts of subversion, sabotage, and espionage in the name of a foreign power that financially backed them.

Are any of those people still alive or participating? If they are, they aren’t socialist.

[GlobalControl]

Why anyone would even want to be in a party whose reputation has been so tarnished by indisputable facts I can't even fathom.

Well we have both the Dems and Reps, so.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

We should outlaw all communist parties tbh

Only if all political parties are also eligible for this treatment.

Actually, yeah, I like this idea better.

[The New California Republic]

Neither of which exists anymore. So what's the problem?

Irrelevant. The party has proven it is willing to engage in covert acts of subversion, sabotage, and espionage in the name of a foreign power that financially backed them. Who is to say they won't do it again? Disband the party, prosecute those proven to have been involved in such acts (whether current or former members), and then let the innocent find other Communist parties to affiliate with. Why anyone would even want to be in a party whose reputation has been so tarnished by indisputable facts I can't even fathom.

Not a good enough reason. And as others have pointed out, such a ban would be unconstitutional.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Why anyone would even want to be in a party whose reputation has been so tarnished by indisputable facts I can't even fathom.

Well we have both the Dems and Reps, so.

Well when those two parties have a monopoly on who gets in it's hard to not be involved in them.

[Gormwood]

Neither of which exists anymore. So what's the problem?

Irrelevant. The party has proven it is willing to engage in covert acts of subversion, sabotage, and espionage in the name of a foreign power that financially backed them. Who is to say they won't do it again? Disband the party, prosecute those proven to have been involved in such acts (whether current or former members), and then let the innocent find other Communist parties to affiliate with. Why anyone would even want to be in a party whose reputation has been so tarnished by indisputable facts I can't even fathom.

Then let's disband the Republican Party for the Watergate break-in and cover-up. Sure.

You have a sad Cold War nostalgia that's exclusive from reality. Or did a guy in the CPUSA steal your girlfriend or whatever?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The Communist Party of the United States of America is a very old Communist Party that originated in 1919 when it split from the Socialist Party of America following diverging views on the Russian Revolution. While in it's early history it can boast having played a role in opposing racism & segregation and supporting the labor movement in America, these noble actions soon fell out of interest around the 1930s when the party becoming increasingly closer to the Soviet Union culminating in direct funding from Moscow, communication and cooperation with the KGB/NKVD, and outright acts of espionage with the intent to undermine the efforts of the United States to curb the imperialistic influence of the repressive and tyrannical Soviet Union. It's ties to Moscow ended in 1989 with it's opposition to Perestroika and Glasnost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist ... _espionage

It is no secret that I am a fervent Anti-Communist and I trust by now many of you on NSG will know that plainly. That being said, as an American I uphold the tenants of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Association as virtues of deep cultural importance to my country and will gladly defend the right's of my fellow Americans to speak their mind and associate freely without fear of persecution by the government. However, a line must be drawn when it comes to outright subversion against the United States by Fifth Column elements at the behest of foreign powers; something that CPUSA has proven to have been involved in. 1989 was only 30 years ago, so I don't believe this is coming too little too late at all. I believe it was criminally negligent that it was not addressed sooner. In a time when Chinese and Russian interference in American internal politics is becoming increasingly more common, it is only fair we address foreign interference in the past that went largely ignored by the government.

As long as it still exists the CPUSA - in my opinion - is a threat to the integrity of the United States as it has already proven it is willing to blindly follow and serve a foreign power for over 50 years by any means including financial aid to our allies, war time efforts, foreign policy, and even the development of more advanced weapons. It is no secret the CPUSA played a vital role in Soviet infiltration of the Manhattan Project allowing for one of the most despotic and oppressive countries in recent history to attain weapons of mass destruction that then enabled it to hold the world hostage as it spread it's sickening influence across the globe, setting up more genocidal, totalitarian dictatorships in the process that proceeded to bring their respective countries to ruin until their Communist Parties were overthrown. Some of which were not so lucky to escape the binds of Marxism, and continue to toil under increasingly Orwellian regimes such as the illegitimate states of North Korea and the so-called "People's Republic" of China; the latter of which is quite literally the only country on Earth that can accurately be compared to the Third Reich.

It is evident, then that the CPUSA (from my point of view) represents a danger to America's political integrity as, unlike any other Communist or Socialist Party in the United States, it has explicitly supported a former enemy of the USA through covert actions in the past and there is nothing to suggest it will not in the future. We're not talking Moscow's indirect support for Mitch McConnell via the NRA, no, we're talking direct funding from Moscow to the CPUSA and actions taken by the CPUSA to undermine the U.S. and aid Soviet ambitions and intelligence. Thus, I propose that the CPUSA be outlawed and forcefully disbanded on the grounds that it cannot be trusted to participate in the governance of any town, city, county, state, or even the entire country at large.

What say ye, NSG?

The government hasn't shut down the fascist organizations despite their far worse crimes, so why should they outlaw the commies?

Exactly what "fascist organization" are you talking about and what "far worse crimes" have they committed?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Irrelevant. The party has proven it is willing to engage in covert acts of subversion, sabotage, and espionage in the name of a foreign power that financially backed them. Who is to say they won't do it again? Disband the party, prosecute those proven to have been involved in such acts (whether current or former members), and then let the innocent find other Communist parties to affiliate with. Why anyone would even want to be in a party whose reputation has been so tarnished by indisputable facts I can't even fathom.

Then let's disband the Republican Party for the Watergate break-in and cover-up. Sure.

You have a sad Cold War nostalgia that's exclusive from reality. Or did a guy in the CPUSA steal your girlfriend or whatever?

You think I can actually get a girlfriend? Thanks, friend. That means a lot.

Honestly considering the GOP is more of a corporate lobbyist group than an actual political party at this point I wouldn't oppose it's disbandment, either.

I really wouldn't call it "nostalgia". I'm all for opposing the spread of Communism, but propping psychotic dictatorships to fight psychotic dictatorships is just dumb. Vietnam was poorly handled, too. McCarthyism is just stupid, the CIA was out of control, and Reagan ended up creating an enemy 10x as bad as the USSR. Generally when one is nostalgic they look back on stuff with fondness and I can assure you I don't like at any point in the Cold War with fondness. Mostly because of the terrible fashion trends, though.

[Black Moon Archmagocracy]

Disband all the parties and institute me as divine autocrat.

[Kubra]

Then let's disband the Republican Party for the Watergate break-in and cover-up. Sure.

You have a sad Cold War nostalgia that's exclusive from reality. Or did a guy in the CPUSA steal your girlfriend or whatever?

You think I can actually get a girlfriend? Thanks, friend. That means a lot.

Honestly considering the GOP is more of a corporate lobbyist group than an actual political party at this point I wouldn't oppose it's disbandment, either.

I really wouldn't call it "nostalgia". I'm all for opposing the spread of Communism, but propping psychotic dictatorships to fight psychotic dictatorships is just dumb. Vietnam was poorly handled, too. McCarthyism is just stupid, the CIA was out of control, and Reagan ended up creating an enemy 10x as bad as the USSR. Generally when one is nostalgic they look back on stuff with fondness and I can assure you I don't like at any point in the Cold War with fondness. Mostly because of the terrible fashion trends, though.

k why'd you skip over the guy who mentioned such a ban being unconstitutional
I was waiting for that one

[Ifreann]

Instructions unclear, disbanded and outlawed TPUSA.

[GlobalControl]

Instructions unclear, disbanded and outlawed TPUSA.

Tortilla Party of the United States of America?

Dang now I can't eat Quesadillas and enjoy Taco Tuesday with my friends as we push for more legal immigration.

[Black Moon Archmagocracy]

Instructions unclear, disbanded and outlawed TPUSA.

Oh thank goddess. They’re too cringeworthy for me to even seriously oppose.

[The South Falls]

"I stand for free speech and the power of free assembly, but not for these guys."
If they're offering aid to foreign governments, then we have a right to shut them down.

[Black Moon Archmagocracy]

"I stand for free speech and the power of free assembly, but not for these guys."
If they're offering aid to foreign governments, then we have a right to shut them down.

They’re not.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

You think I can actually get a girlfriend? Thanks, friend. That means a lot.

Honestly considering the GOP is more of a corporate lobbyist group than an actual political party at this point I wouldn't oppose it's disbandment, either.

I really wouldn't call it "nostalgia". I'm all for opposing the spread of Communism, but propping psychotic dictatorships to fight psychotic dictatorships is just dumb. Vietnam was poorly handled, too. McCarthyism is just stupid, the CIA was out of control, and Reagan ended up creating an enemy 10x as bad as the USSR. Generally when one is nostalgic they look back on stuff with fondness and I can assure you I don't like at any point in the Cold War with fondness. Mostly because of the terrible fashion trends, though.

k why'd you skip over the guy who mentioned such a ban being unconstitutional
I was waiting for that one

I have no response to that, honestly. If it's unconstitutional then it's unconstitutional. That's that. Doesn't mean I can't still support the idea at least, even if I can't actually support the action itself. I guess it's just a pipe dream, then.

Instructions unclear, disbanded and outlawed TPUSA.

Another pipe dream I can support in theory.

[Liriena]

Instructions unclear, disbanded and outlawed TPUSA.

I can't believe the cops seized all of their adult diapers!

[Telconi]

k why'd you skip over the guy who mentioned such a ban being unconstitutional
I was waiting for that one

I have no response to that, honestly. If it's unconstitutional then it's unconstitutional. That's that. Doesn't mean I can't still support the idea at least, even if I can't actually support the action itself. I guess it's just a pipe dream, then.

Instructions unclear, disbanded and outlawed TPUSA.

Another pipe dream I can support in theory.

Daily reminder, the constitution is subject to change.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

"I stand for free speech and the power of free assembly, but not for these guys."
If they're offering aid to foreign governments, then we have a right to shut them down.

I- what? Where did you get this from?

I have no response to that, honestly. If it's unconstitutional then it's unconstitutional. That's that. Doesn't mean I can't still support the idea at least, even if I can't actually support the action itself. I guess it's just a pipe dream, then.



Another pipe dream I can support in theory.

Daily reminder, the constitution is subject to change.

Yes, but until it is changed it's illegal. Meaning no-no. I respect the constitution no matter what it's contents, so long as those contents aren't completely un-American in nature.

[Gormwood]

Then let's disband the Republican Party for the Watergate break-in and cover-up. Sure.

You have a sad Cold War nostalgia that's exclusive from reality. Or did a guy in the CPUSA steal your girlfriend or whatever?

You think I can actually get a girlfriend? Thanks, friend. That means a lot.

Honestly considering the GOP is more of a corporate lobbyist group than an actual political party at this point I wouldn't oppose it's disbandment, either.

I really wouldn't call it "nostalgia". I'm all for opposing the spread of Communism, but propping psychotic dictatorships to fight psychotic dictatorships is just dumb. Vietnam was poorly handled, too. McCarthyism is just stupid, the CIA was out of control, and Reagan ended up creating an enemy 10x as bad as the USSR. Generally when one is nostalgic they look back on stuff with fondness and I can assure you I don't like at any point in the Cold War with fondness. Mostly because of the terrible fashion trends, though.

Continental drift has spread way more than communism in the modern age. You're trying to hype up street cred for a sad fantasy roleplay club that never had glory days. You're not seriously going to believe the U.S. government ignores the CPUSA because they're secret masterminds are you?

Oh wait. Trollzyn the Infinite.

Nice play.