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Postby Siornor » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:34 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:America is waaay too bipartisan for that. America becoming a one-party state is extremely unlikely at best unless a party takes over by force and physically changes the Constitution or if America becomes rapidly different from modern America.

Even if the Dems destroy the Elephants, like an awful Yin Yang, the Dems will have a different party to deal with. Perhaps even, they themselves would divide. Once the Whigs fell, the Democrat-Republican party was the sole power. But then bipartisanship divided the party and two and now we have Dems and Republicans.

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Division of the Democrats certainly seems likely imo regardless. Look at what happened in 2016 presidential election. I come from Chicago and virtually everyone I know identifies as a "democrat" or "liberal" or "progressive", but animosity between Hilary supporters and Bernie supporters throughout that election was ridiculous, and to this day a lot of my friends from both camps blame the other candidate for Trump's win.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:42 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:America is waaay too bipartisan for that. America becoming a one-party state is extremely unlikely at best unless a party takes over by force and physically changes the Constitution or if America becomes rapidly different from modern America.


Again - from an international perspective the USA *is* a one party state already. The dems and reps are occupying the same place on the political spectrum.
The USA simply ignores the remaining 90% of said spectrum and as such deludes itself that it is divided, instead of recognising it is the most homogenous country on the planet which is not an absolute dictatorship.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:04 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:America is waaay too bipartisan for that. America becoming a one-party state is extremely unlikely at best unless a party takes over by force and physically changes the Constitution or if America becomes rapidly different from modern America.


Again - from an international perspective the USA *is* a one party state already. The dems and reps are occupying the same place on the political spectrum.
The USA simply ignores the remaining 90% of said spectrum and as such deludes itself that it is divided, instead of recognising it is the most homogenous country on the planet which is not an absolute dictatorship.


From a foreign policy perspective, the US is a byzantine national security state that seems to stay in power regardless of which party wins.
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Postby Arthenius » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:55 pm

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Depends on how things play out. LGBTQ approval amongst young people is dropping like a rock.


There is a reason for this. They went too far and people feel like they've been hoodwinked. Back in the early 2000s, when gay marriage was the big fight of the day, they framed it as "gay people are normal, hardworking, family-loving people who just want to live in peace and be left alone, and as long as it is between consulting adults, it's okay". Most people thought this seemed pretty reasonable and accepted it, figuring it would stop there. Social conservatives who said this would lead to crazy shit down the road were derided as kooks.

Fast forward to today and men are using women's bathrooms, sexual predators are dressing up in drag and performing to kids, people are saying pedophilia is just another sexual orientation, and people are putting children on hormone blockers but yet if you think any of that stuff is wrong, then you're cancelled for being a hateful bigot.

So now people are starting to look back at the original LGBT activists and are like "wtf bro you people are freaks and you tricked us!"


Yet today people still say you are a hateful bigot.

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Postby Arthenius » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:04 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:America is waaay too bipartisan for that. America becoming a one-party state is extremely unlikely at best unless a party takes over by force and physically changes the Constitution or if America becomes rapidly different from modern America.


Again - from an international perspective the USA *is* a one party state already. The dems and reps are occupying the same place on the political spectrum.
The USA simply ignores the remaining 90% of said spectrum and as such deludes itself that it is divided, instead of recognising it is the most homogenous country on the planet which is not an absolute dictatorship.


In which ways is the USA homogenous?

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Postby Jolthig » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:14 pm

Have you forgotten in your OP, that there are Hispanic Republicans such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio?
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:24 pm

Jolthig wrote:Have you forgotten in your OP, that there are Hispanic Republicans such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio?

And yet the citizens of this great country still look upon Ted Cruz, a Canadian, with disgust.
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Postby Zeganas » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:35 pm

Honestly, I think that the United States will be majority democrat but permanently republican-controlled due to partisan gerrymandering, electoral college favoritism of smaller states, the senate favoring smaller states, the supreme court being packed again and again with conservative judges. You know, so many state governments have a republican trifecta, it's ridiculous, and republicans will keep growing in their power in smaller states, and gerrymandering will continue until republicans are able to amend the constitution without needing any democratic support. 2/3 of both chambers, 3/4 of all state legislatures. They can amend the united states constitution to blur the lines between country and party and deem the democratic party a terrorist organization, as fox news has already done.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:37 pm

Zeganas wrote:Honestly, I think that the United States will be majority democrat but permanently republican-controlled due to partisan gerrymandering, electoral college favoritism of smaller states, the senate favoring smaller states, the supreme court being packed again and again with conservative judges. You know, so many state governments have a republican trifecta, it's ridiculous, and republicans will keep growing in their power in smaller states, and gerrymandering will continue until republicans are able to amend the constitution without needing any democratic support. 2/3 of both chambers, 3/4 of all state legislatures. They can amend the united states constitution to blur the lines between country and party and deem the democratic party a terrorist organization, as fox news has already done.


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Postby Neu California » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:40 pm

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Depends on how things play out. LGBTQ approval amongst young people is dropping like a rock.


There is a reason for this. They went too far and people feel like they've been hoodwinked. Back in the early 2000s, when gay marriage was the big fight of the day, they framed it as "gay people are normal, hardworking, family-loving people who just want to live in peace and be left alone, and as long as it is between consulting adults, it's okay". Most people thought this seemed pretty reasonable and accepted it, figuring it would stop there. Social conservatives who said this would lead to crazy shit down the road were derided as kooks.

Fast forward to today and men are using women's bathrooms, sexual predators are dressing up in drag and performing to kids, people are saying pedophilia is just another sexual orientation, and people are putting children on hormone blockers but yet if you think any of that stuff is wrong, then you're cancelled for being a hateful bigot.

So now people are starting to look back at the original LGBT activists and are like "wtf bro you people are freaks and you tricked us!"


Polling suggests otherwise.

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/20 ... l-parties/

(It's about transgender in particular)

Of note the only right that doesn't have majority support is the one about bathrooms

The real reason seems to be toxic culture towards lgbt individuals

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 503758001/
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I really hope it does. The Republicans have shown themselves to be enemies of the people, and should be denied all power for at least a generation at a minimum. Bloody monsters.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:41 pm

Telconi wrote:
Zeganas wrote:Honestly, I think that the United States will be majority democrat but permanently republican-controlled due to partisan gerrymandering, electoral college favoritism of smaller states, the senate favoring smaller states, the supreme court being packed again and again with conservative judges. You know, so many state governments have a republican trifecta, it's ridiculous, and republicans will keep growing in their power in smaller states, and gerrymandering will continue until republicans are able to amend the constitution without needing any democratic support. 2/3 of both chambers, 3/4 of all state legislatures. They can amend the united states constitution to blur the lines between country and party and deem the democratic party a terrorist organization, as fox news has already done.


Ah, truly the future we need.

Really exhibiting your support for civil rights and democracy here, Tel.
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Postby Jolthig » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:43 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Have you forgotten in your OP, that there are Hispanic Republicans such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio?

And yet the citizens of this great country still look upon Ted Cruz, a Canadian, with disgust.
also, Marco Rubio is a myth

Of course. I'm not saying I support the Republicans. What I'm saying is, it's foolish to assume the US would become permanently Democratic because of more Hispanics as there are many who support Republicans as well, with a couple Hispanic senators in the lot.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:47 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Ah, truly the future we need.

Really exhibiting your support for civil rights and democracy here, Tel.


Literally what?
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Postby Zeganas » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:48 pm

Neu California wrote:
(It's about transgender in particular)

Of note the only right that doesn't have majority support is the one about bathrooms

The real reason seems to be toxic culture towards lgbt individuals

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 503758001/


I really don't like republicans, they peddle for us to go backwards when it comes to LGBTQ rights and I'm a dude with a boyfriend. I walked through town, a mid sized town in a deep red county. I was scared to hold hands with him. The republican propaganda machine that operates in tandem with fox news are putting the LGBTQ community in a bad light, and the reason I vote democratic is because it's the party that upheld my rights as a gay american.


Telconi wrote:
Literally what?


Supporting the party that isn't in tune with the majority of americans and will do nothing to uphold the rights of those who aren't straight, white, and christian.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:54 pm

Zeganas wrote:
Neu California wrote:
(It's about transgender in particular)

Of note the only right that doesn't have majority support is the one about bathrooms

The real reason seems to be toxic culture towards lgbt individuals

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 503758001/


I really don't like republicans, they peddle for us to go backwards when it comes to LGBTQ rights and I'm a dude with a boyfriend. I walked through town, a mid sized town in a deep red county. I was scared to hold hands with him. The republican propaganda machine that operates in tandem with fox news are putting the LGBTQ community in a bad light, and the reason I vote democratic is because it's the party that upheld my rights as a gay american.


Telconi wrote:
Literally what?


Supporting the party that isn't in tune with the majority of americans and will do nothing to uphold the rights of those who aren't straight, white, and christian.


Who gives a shit who it's in tune with?
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:56 pm

Zeganas wrote:
Neu California wrote:
(It's about transgender in particular)

Of note the only right that doesn't have majority support is the one about bathrooms

The real reason seems to be toxic culture towards lgbt individuals

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 503758001/


I really don't like republicans, they peddle for us to go backwards when it comes to LGBTQ rights and I'm a dude with a boyfriend. I walked through town, a mid sized town in a deep red county. I was scared to hold hands with him. The republican propaganda machine that operates in tandem with fox news are putting the LGBTQ community in a bad light, and the reason I vote democratic is because it's the party that upheld my rights as a gay american.


Telconi wrote:
Literally what?


Supporting the party that isn't in tune with the majority of americans and will do nothing to uphold the rights of those who aren't straight, white, and christian.

What? No. Don't put words in my mouth.
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Arthenius wrote:With mass illegal migration into the United States through the southern border, especially if Republicans lose Texas which is very close in that same area do you think Donald Trump will be the last Republican president in the United States. I mean, what other way can the US Republican Party do to continue national electoral relevance without becoming just as the same as the Democrats? A quasi one-party Democrat-controlled WH or federal legislature makes me feel pretty nervous about my country's own future and integrity.

What are the opinions of other NSers particularly from America on this one?


I really do not understand this perspective. As you say, USA will fall to the rule of illegal immigrants to dominate its politics. :eek: :shock: :? Very weird.

USA is mainly ruled by a special class of people, you know who. The immigrants may become citizens or residents and then to vote in elections. USA has rules/laws to be respected. So the immigrants should be legal residents and therefore legally citizens before to vote in elections.

Where's that older rule (or law) that (only) the next generations of "immigrants" born as native citizens (by birth) may become politicians? Isn't that any longer available? I thought it was after the 3rd generation of native citizenship.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:47 pm

Telconi wrote:
Zeganas wrote:Honestly, I think that the United States will be majority democrat but permanently republican-controlled due to partisan gerrymandering, electoral college favoritism of smaller states, the senate favoring smaller states, the supreme court being packed again and again with conservative judges. You know, so many state governments have a republican trifecta, it's ridiculous, and republicans will keep growing in their power in smaller states, and gerrymandering will continue until republicans are able to amend the constitution without needing any democratic support. 2/3 of both chambers, 3/4 of all state legislatures. They can amend the united states constitution to blur the lines between country and party and deem the democratic party a terrorist organization, as fox news has already done.


Ah, truly the future we need.


People often say "the future is female", "the future is brown", "the future is queer", and the likes.

Rarely do they stop and ask "is the future going to be good?"
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Postby Pannerstone » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:48 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Ah, truly the future we need.


People often say "the future is female", "the future is brown", "the future is queer", and the likes.

Rarely do they stop and ask "is the future going to be good?"


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Postby Satuga » Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:35 am

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Telconi wrote:
Ah, truly the future we need.


People often say "the future is female", "the future is brown", "the future is queer", and the likes.

Rarely do they stop and ask "is the future going to be good?"

The past, present, and future, were, is, and will be never good. That is just how the world works, there will be ups and downs, I suppose we could just look at the higher point at that time, but after that point farther into the future we will look back at it and likely say wow that was fucked.
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Postby Ksenofont » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:16 am

In fact, the United States always goes towards democratization, at first the pilgrims, then against slavery, then the abolition of segregation, then the battle for the rights of gays, then the battle for the rights of all, the latter, of course, is a wrong turn, but I think America will change its mind.
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Arthenius wrote:With mass illegal migration into the United States through the southern border, especially if Republicans lose Texas which is very close in that same area do you think Donald Trump will be the last Republican president in the United States. I mean, what other way can the US Republican Party do to continue national electoral relevance without becoming just as the same as the Democrats? A quasi one-party Democrat-controlled WH or federal legislature makes me feel pretty nervous about my country's own future and integrity.

What are the opinions of other NSers particularly from America on this one?


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Ksenofont wrote:In fact, the United States always goes towards democratization, at first the pilgrims, then against slavery, then the abolition of segregation, then the battle for the rights of gays, then the battle for the rights of all, the latter, of course, is a wrong turn, but I think America will change its mind.
I think the next real wave it will be cryptocurrency and freedom from a single state currency and crazy taxes on which pissed homeless people contain.


If cryptocurrency really takes off, I have no doubt the government will crush it with an iron fist.

Hell, we will be lucky if cash even exists anymore 50 years from now.
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Postby Satuga » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:05 am

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If cryptocurrency really takes off, I have no doubt the government will crush it with an iron fist.

Hell, we will be lucky if cash even exists anymore 50 years from now.

Not having cash might help with any inflation problems though, because you won't have to worry about having thousands of bills that are all worth like 1 cent.
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