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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:13 am

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Yirophia wrote:Then you're delusional. (Most) Dems (again, with the exception of the powerless Bernie fringe that's going nowhere way too fast) are positively in love with freedom. The party of black and hispanic enfranchisement, homosexual marriage, gender equality, free trade and open borders, among many other things. What among these positions is in opposition to freedom, prosperity, or justice?

Classical liberalism has not relation with pro inmigration policies, gender ideology agenda and free trade.
I would stand up for a liberalism defending the traditions and advacement of society without demolishing their own culture, with protectionism and limited inmigration but the democrat party has only ears for the regressive liberal left.

If you knew what regressive, liberal, or leftist meant you wouldn't be putting them together like that.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:37 am

Durius wrote:They will not. Nothing is permanent in politics. If somehow the Republican Party collapsed, the more conservative Democrats would eventually split. Either way, I don't believe that GOP collapse will happen. In fact, it is way more likely they will start shifting their policies to appease Latinos as they are, after all, mostly white and Christian. Of course, it would take some time and a lot of work for the Republican Party to clean its image among that group, but it's not like there aren't plenty of other groups that Republicans and Latinos can hate together.

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Postby Olde Carolina » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:50 am

A GOP that is for a little more government spending on education and more regulation of the healthcare industry would win over a lot of people. The Democrats didn't win the house in 2018 because of illegal immigrants or because of candidates like Ilhan Omar and AOC. They won because of a plethora of more moderate candidates in the 'burbs running against GOP candidates who didn't talk about local issues or about healthcare or education. SC-1 is a great example. The GOP candidate literally ran on being the Kellyanne Conway of Congress (her words) and on a border wall. She didn't have a healthcare plan or anything really on education until a week before the election.

I'm not even saying Republicans need to create big policy plans, just that they could easily win back the 'burbs and some cities IMHO if they actually mentioned healthcare and education. The vast majority of Americans are not for pure open borders, 3rd trimester abortions, racial reparations, or the end of private insurance and no one gives a shit about making climate change a top priority (sorry Jay Inslee). This includes at least a plurality of Democratic voters.

This is not me saying the GOP needs to go back to the Bushes, you can keep the populist rhetoric all you like, but to win you will need to change some on healthcare and not be known as the party of crazy conspiracy theories.

We made it through the civil war, there is no way this breaks us apart as some are saying. Just because Trump is biggly popular with the GOP now doesn't mean his brand always will be.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:07 pm

What people really mean by demographics granting the Democrats a majority isn't that the GOP itself will collapse, but that white conservatives won't be getting elected to national office anymore.
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Postby Gim » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:08 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:What people really mean by demographics granting the Democrats a majority isn't that the GOP itself will collapse, but that white conservatives won't be getting elected to national office anymore.


:lol2: That's funny.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:08 pm

Durius wrote: In fact, it is way more likely they will start shifting their policies to appease Latinos as they are, after all, mostly white and Christian..


They have been saying this since the 1990s. I don't think it's going to happen.
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Postby Gim » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:10 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Durius wrote: In fact, it is way more likely they will start shifting their policies to appease Latinos as they are, after all, mostly white and Christian..


They have been saying this since the 1990s. I don't think it's going to happen.


Obama was about to do that, but Trump reversed the entire work Obama has done, so nothing as of yet.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:10 pm

Gim wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:What people really mean by demographics granting the Democrats a majority isn't that the GOP itself will collapse, but that white conservatives won't be getting elected to national office anymore.


:lol2: That's funny.


That's essentially the crux of the argument, because what demographics are they really talking about when they say there is a coming Democrat majority? Well, there is only one racial group in America that leans majority Republican and it just also happens to be the racial group that currently compromises the majority of the country. Once that changes, so does the likelihood of people with their values winning office in national elections.
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Postby Gim » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:11 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Gim wrote:
:lol2: That's funny.


That's essentially the crux of the argument, because what demographics are they really talking about when they say there is a coming Democrat majority? Well, there is only one racial group in America that leans majority Republican and it just also happens to be the racial group that currently compromises the majority of the country. Once that changes, so does the likelihood of people with their values winning office in national elections.

Wasn't Obama a Democrat, though?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:12 pm

Gim wrote:
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They have been saying this since the 1990s. I don't think it's going to happen.


Obama was about to do that, but Trump reversed the entire work Obama has done, so nothing as of yet.


Trump won more of the Hispanic vote than any Republican in recent history, but he probably hit the maximum limit. Hispanic communities aren't as socially conservative as people say and are pretty left-wing economically (in before muh Miami Cubans, who are a special case and are now starting to lean Democrat).
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:13 pm

Gim wrote:
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That's essentially the crux of the argument, because what demographics are they really talking about when they say there is a coming Democrat majority? Well, there is only one racial group in America that leans majority Republican and it just also happens to be the racial group that currently compromises the majority of the country. Once that changes, so does the likelihood of people with their values winning office in national elections.

Wasn't Obama a Democrat, though?


What?
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Postby Gim » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:13 pm

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Gim wrote:Wasn't Obama a Democrat, though?


What?


Obama was a Democrat? He wasn't white.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:14 pm

Olde Carolina wrote:We made it through the civil war, there is no way this breaks us apart as some are saying. Just because Trump is biggly popular with the GOP now doesn't mean his brand always will be.


Well if not nationalism and populism, where does the GOP go? Because George Bush/Mitt Romney-style conservatism is dead and not coming back.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:14 pm

Gim wrote:
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What?


Obama was a Democrat? He wasn't white.


What are you talking about? I'm talking about the Republicans.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:19 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Olde Carolina wrote:We made it through the civil war, there is no way this breaks us apart as some are saying. Just because Trump is biggly popular with the GOP now doesn't mean his brand always will be.


Well if not nationalism and populism, where does the GOP go? Because George Bush/Mitt Romney-style conservatism is dead and not coming back.

And nobody’s going to miss it, either.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:20 pm

Sure why not.
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Postby New Periapsis » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:24 pm

I doubt that the US would ever devolve into a one-party society, considering history and a cultural-wide hatred of monarchy. Although, I fear that there's a good chance the two-party system will remain for the foreseeable "forever" and become its doom.

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Postby Cappuccina » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:24 pm

Gim wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
What?


Obama was a Democrat? He wasn't white.

He was as white as he was black.....
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:32 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:What people really mean by demographics granting the Democrats a majority isn't that the GOP itself will collapse, but that white conservatives won't be getting elected to national office anymore.


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Postby Czechostan » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:20 pm

I read an old book a while back from the 60's about the failed presidential campaigns of the century. It was called something like "the Hopefuls." It ended with the then most recent election of 1964, when LBJ annihilated Goldwater. I'll always remember the author's conclusion, which was something like "it looks like the US will remain in the hands of the liberal New Deal coalition for a long time."

But of course, come 1968, the Dems lost to the Republicans, and they would only have three more presidential terms that century, the conservative tide sweeping the nation. The point is, political factions are continuously realigning, and different groups of people are constantly gliding across the political spectrum. When a party gets too big or popular, the friction between the groups within it will tear that party apart, and we'll enter a different party system. In the face of demographic change, Republicans will adopt new policies to appeal to minority groups, and minority groups will switch over to the GOP if they feel the Dems are falling short. The pendulum never stays on one side for long.

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Postby New haven america » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:21 pm

Gim wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
What?


Obama was a Democrat? He wasn't white.

A. Yes he is (On both counts)
B. That's not even who Bears was talking about.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:50 pm

Gim wrote:
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They have been saying this since the 1990s. I don't think it's going to happen.


Obama was about to do that, but Trump reversed the entire work Obama has done, so nothing as of yet.


Which is exactly why Trump was elected: to fix his predecessors fuckups.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:58 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
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Obama was about to do that, but Trump reversed the entire work Obama has done, so nothing as of yet.


Which is exactly why Trump was elected: to fix his predecessors fuckups.

Instead making his own.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:41 pm

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Which is exactly why Trump was elected: to fix his predecessors fuckups.

Instead making his own.


Still better than anyone since Reagan, or anyone the dems are trying to foist on us.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:57 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Instead making his own.


Still better than anyone since Reagan,
Another one of the terrible presidents.
or anyone the dems are trying to foist on us.

Well this is just plain false.
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