Will the US become permanently Democrat-controlled?

[Telconi]

I don't hate liberalism, I hate the people who oppose freedom, prosperity, and justice. Like Democrats.

Right, it's the Dems who want to go back to when the darkies and the queers knew their place and abortion was taboo. It's the Dems who stand firm behind a figurehead consistently lies and demonstrates childlike immaturity - and defend that person even after they all but confess outright on TV.

You've made it clear you're a single-issue voter, Tel, but you should at least recognize it's not the only issue.

I never said it's the most important, but it's the only salient one you've listed.

[CivitasDei]

Even if it does, the underlying ideology will not fundamentally change until the material conditions do. In essence, this is a non-question. No one party will rule forever in the form it exists today.

[Necroghastia]

Right, it's the Dems who want to go back to when the darkies and the queers knew their place and abortion was taboo. It's the Dems who stand firm behind a figurehead consistently lies and demonstrates childlike immaturity - and defend that person even after they all but confess outright on TV.

You've made it clear you're a single-issue voter, Tel, but you should at least recognize it's not the only issue.

I never said it's the most important, but it's the only salient one you've listed.

Nah.

[Kowani]

Yeah, I don’t see another Era of Good Feelings anytime soon.

[Thermodolia]

When it gets to the point that demographics prevent Republicans from winning national elections then I'd expect US politics to just begin breaking down entirely. At best, we go breakup somewhat peacefully like the USSR and everyone is moderately happy. Moderate scenario is we hang on like a Latin American country as a corrupt shithole but one that has its nice pockets and still managed to limp on.

Worst case scenario is Yugoslavia meets South Africa.

I’m pretty sure that an authoritarian would come to power before that happens

[Bear Stearns]

Yeah, I don’t see another Era of Good Feelings anytime soon.

Best take.

[Bear Stearns]

When it gets to the point that demographics prevent Republicans from winning national elections then I'd expect US politics to just begin breaking down entirely. At best, we go breakup somewhat peacefully like the USSR and everyone is moderately happy. Moderate scenario is we hang on like a Latin American country as a corrupt shithole but one that has its nice pockets and still managed to limp on.

Worst case scenario is Yugoslavia meets South Africa.

I’m pretty sure that an authoritarian would come to power before that happens

If authoritarianism is what it takes to keep this charade going, then it isn't worth it.

[San Lumen]

If republicans continue to bleed support anywhere outside of farms and small towns then yes. Republicans will be a regional party unable to win congress or the presidency and control of many state governments.

If Texas went blue the Republican are finished as a national party as there Is no path to 270 without it

[Yirophia]

Hating liberalism is biting the hand that feeds you freedom, prosperity and justice. Yes, the Democratic Party is the only game in town, and the Clintonite/Blue Reaganite mainline is pretty damn good.

Isn't the same faction (along with neocons) that let China into the WTO, gave us a war in Iraq, stripped our freedoms with the PATRIOT Act, caused the subprime mortgage crisis, destroyed Libya, and has attempted to do the same in Syria? All while pretending to be "woke" on the home front while sucking up to Corporate America?

Yeah...fuck those people.

Free trade is good and exposure to new trading partners and new immigrants and new ideas will inevitably erode dictatorships and keep them peaceful and pacified until they do crumble to dust. The Bush Jr. admin started the Iraq War and introduced the PATRIOT act, and the Bush Sr. admin started the Gulf War for that matter. The Dems didn't destroy Libya, it was already a burbling crisis kettle ready to boil over and just happened to do so while Dems were in charge in the US; the whole sum of the state of the world does not turn on a dime with the USA. Intervention in Syria under Obama was utterly, tokenly minor and only done in the face of pre-existing total breakdown of order caused by yet another tinpot dictatorship losing its grip. And if "sucking up to Corporate America" includes a long history of increased redistributive taxation, better funding of social programmes, etc., then sure, if you like, you communist, you.

[Raptortant]

Guys? Who are you. And why are you arguing ? Over dumb stuff.

[New haven america]

Hating liberalism is biting the hand that feeds you freedom, prosperity and justice. Yes, the Democratic Party is the only game in town, and the Clintonite/Blue Reaganite mainline is pretty damn good.

I don't hate liberalism, I hate the people who oppose freedom, prosperity, and justice. Like Democrats.

You've made it crystal clear that you don't give a shit about those 3 qualities more times than any one user on this site can count.

[Kowani]

Isn't the same faction (along with neocons) that let China into the WTO, gave us a war in Iraq, stripped our freedoms with the PATRIOT Act, caused the subprime mortgage crisis, destroyed Libya, and has attempted to do the same in Syria? All while pretending to be "woke" on the home front while sucking up to Corporate America?

Yeah...fuck those people.

Free trade is good

Unless you’re on the board of a large corporation, this is a lie.

and exposure to new trading partners and new immigrants and new ideas will inevitably erode dictatorships and keep them peaceful and pacified until they do crumble to dust

Laughably false.

And if "sucking up to Corporate America" includes a long history of increased redistributive taxation, better funding of social programmes, etc., then sure, if you like, you communist, you.[/quote]
I seem to remember Glass-Steagall being repealed under Clinton. I prefer the Dems, but let’s not pretend that they’re Saints.

[Yirophia]

Then you're delusional. (Most) Dems (again, with the exception of the powerless Bernie fringe that's going nowhere way too fast) are positively in love with freedom. The party of black and hispanic enfranchisement, homosexual marriage, gender equality, free trade and open borders, among many other things. What among these positions is in opposition to freedom, prosperity, or justice?

"open borders"

I thought Republicans were "dogwhistling" when they accused Democrats of that. Now you openly support it.

I would like every single human being to be twice as wealthy with essentially no effort or drawbacks, yes.

Then you're delusional. (Most) Dems (again, with the exception of the powerless Bernie fringe that's going nowhere way too fast) are positively in love with freedom. The party of black and hispanic enfranchisement, homosexual marriage, gender equality, free trade and open borders, among many other things. What among these positions is in opposition to freedom, prosperity, or justice?

That's rude, is rudeness also a part of their beliefs?

Not especially, but frankness is. We all have to live in the same reality, and trying to pretend it's different doesn't make it different.

[New haven america]

I don't hate liberalism, I hate the people who oppose freedom, prosperity, and justice. Like Democrats.

Right, it's the Dems who want to go back to when the darkies and the queers knew their place and abortion was taboo. It's the Dems who stand firm behind a figurehead consistently lies and demonstrates childlike immaturity - and defend that person even after they all but confess outright on TV.

You've made it clear you're a single-issue voter, Tel, but you should at least recognize it's not the only issue.

I mean, he's openly supported segregation and discrimination before under the belief that it allows for the most personal freedom possible.

So take that as you will.

[Bear Stearns]

Isn't the same faction (along with neocons) that let China into the WTO, gave us a war in Iraq, stripped our freedoms with the PATRIOT Act, caused the subprime mortgage crisis, destroyed Libya, and has attempted to do the same in Syria? All while pretending to be "woke" on the home front while sucking up to Corporate America?

Yeah...fuck those people.

Free trade is good and exposure to new trading partners and new immigrants and new ideas will inevitably erode dictatorships and keep them peaceful and pacified until they do crumble to dust.

Then why didn't that happen with China? Or Vietnam? Meanwhile, US incomes have remained stagnant and the middle class has been hollowed out. Gee thanks.

The Bush Jr. admin started the Iraq War and introduced the PATRIOT act, and the Bush Sr. admin started the Gulf War for that matter.

I clarified along with the neocons. They are part of that same Clintonite/Blue Reaganite class you discussed. It's the establishment. Bush and Clinton agree on foreign policy, they disagree on execution.

The Dems didn't destroy Libya, it was already a burbling crisis kettle ready to boil over and just happened to do so while Dems were in charge in the US;

Libya was the wealthiest country in Africa on a per capita basis. Obama destroyed it.

the whole sum of the state of the world does not turn on a dime with the USA.

Then why you do support people who believe that to be true?

Intervention in Syria under Obama was utterly, tokenly minor and only done in the face of pre-existing total breakdown of order caused by yet another tinpot dictatorship losing its grip.

It was losing its grip because we armed so-called "moderate rebels" that turned out to be Islamic terrorists.

And if "sucking up to Corporate America" includes a long history of increased redistributive taxation, better funding of social programmes, etc., then sure, if you like, you communist, you.

Those are things the Democrats all supported when they were actually the party of the working class. You literally just called those people "Sanders supporting communists with no power in the party" a few posts ago.

[Bear Stearns]

"open borders"

I thought Republicans were "dogwhistling" when they accused Democrats of that. Now you openly support it.

I would like every single human being to be twice as wealthy with essentially no effort or drawbacks, yes.

Should Israel, China, Mexico, Ukraine, and Saudi Arabia have open borders too?

[New haven america]

I would like every single human being to be twice as wealthy with essentially no effort or drawbacks, yes.

Should Israel, China, Mexico, Ukraine, and Saudi Arabia have open borders too?

Sure, why not?

[Telconi]

I don't hate liberalism, I hate the people who oppose freedom, prosperity, and justice. Like Democrats.

You've made it crystal clear that you don't give a shit about those 3 qualities more times than any one user on this site can count.

You can't count to zero? Fuck man, I'm sorry...

[Stellonia]

I don't hate liberalism, I hate the people who oppose freedom, prosperity, and justice. Like Democrats.

Then you're delusional. (Most) Dems (again, with the exception of the powerless Bernie fringe that's going nowhere way too fast) are positively in love with freedom. The party of black and hispanic enfranchisement, homosexual marriage, gender equality, free trade and open borders, among many other things. What among these positions is in opposition to freedom, prosperity, or justice?

Can I ask a hypothetical question that is important to this argument? If you were to migrate to Saudi Arabia and live there permanently, would you adopt the prevailing Saudi perspective regarding women, gay people, and Jews?

[Telconi]

If republicans continue to bleed support anywhere outside of farms and small towns then yes. Republicans will be a regional party unable to win congress or the presidency and control of many state governments.

If Texas went blue the Republican are finished as a national party as there Is no path to 270 without it

And if this dream of yours comes true democracy in America is as doomed as their chances at office.

[The Grims]

if the U.S. becomes permanently democratic imma find another country to go to that wouldnt be a train wreck

Where would you go ? In other western nations the democrats are considered a right wing party.
Flee to an Islamic nation ?

[Necroghastia]

You've made it crystal clear that you don't give a shit about those 3 qualities more times than any one user on this site can count.

You can't count to zero? Fuck man, I'm sorry...

How does one count to zero in a measurement such as this? The count would start at zero, so there would be no counting to it.

[Bear Stearns]

Should Israel, China, Mexico, Ukraine, and Saudi Arabia have open borders too?

Sure, why not?

Well...if Israel has open borders, Arabs would outnumber then quickly and then it would cease to be a Jewish state.

Ukraine would get swamped with Russians and get Crimea'd all over again...

Saudi Arabia would probably just be destroyed entirely.

China would lose all internal cohesion as Han Chinese begin to lose demographic strength (as they're the only ethnic group in China that supports the CCP).

On second thought, open borders is the perfect weapon to use against our adversaries. I take back what I said. Open borders for everyone!

[New haven america]

if the U.S. becomes permanently democratic imma find another country to go to that wouldnt be a train wreck

Literally no other Western nation/democracy is accepting of or as extreme as the GOP is when it comes to right wing policies and beliefs. Hell, most "Right wing" politicans in other Western Democracies are comparable to the US' Democrats.

Good luck.

[Stellonia]

I would like every single human being to be twice as wealthy with essentially no effort or drawbacks, yes.

Do you expect that all or even most of the increased wealth resulting from open borders would not be concentrated within the hands of the wealthy and powerful of the world?