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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:58 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Rainbowsix wrote:and U.S. democrats r far-left radicals

No they aren't, according to standards of the western and democratic and developed world, most are centrist and the democrat left wing is center left by that same measure.
Study it like I did instead of buying into propaganda.

America is the most far right country in the civilized world. Most far right countries aren't doing so well if they are as far right or farther right-most countries as far right as the USA are failing African states or mideast states we hate.

Put that into perspective.

You're being fed lies by the wealthy elite. Most right wing parties in Europe even the anti EU ones are economically as left as democrats in between the bernie and moderate wings. Socially they're also centrists in the same veins as Gabbard, Biden, Buttigieg, and Bullock socially and on guns.


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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:44 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"Civilized world"

Civilized meaning no anarchy. It was meant to appeal to feelings of Western Supremacy to turn them against said views of Western Supremacy.


Never took you for a Western Supremacist. Huh...
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:51 pm

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Never took you for a Western Supremacist. Huh...

I'm not but I am trying to appeal to their sense of western supremacy and turn them to a ideology that opposes it.

Defeat the snake by using its tactics.


Oh, so you think the Democrats are far left extremists?
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:54 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Oh, so you think the Democrats are far left extremists?

:blink:

I have no fuckin clue how you got this from that.


Well your entire reason that they weren't was predicated upon a western society metric. But you said you're not a western supremacist. So shouldn't you use a global scale then?
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:56 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well your entire reason that they weren't was predicated upon a western society metric. But you said you're not a western supremacist. So shouldn't you use a global scale then?

...

I think you're missing the forest for the trees here dude. :eyebrow:


There isn't a forest, only trees. Silly, self contradicting trees...
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Postby Arthenius » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:18 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Arthenius wrote:
I wouldn't say moving to the left is necessarily a good thing for countries.
Another better question is why is mainstream politics only moving left? Do you think it's possible this can or can not be a mere coincidence?

I mean it's nothing new. Societies have been moving left for a long while now, pretty much ever since people decided that maybe franchise was a good thing.

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Postby Arthenius » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:25 pm

New haven america wrote:
Rainbowsix wrote:did you read what i said? I said U.S. democrats are far-left radicals

And you're incorrect, for the 2nd time.

The majority of democrats in the US are center-right centrists. :)


In what ways exactly?
The US Democrats has become interested in identity politics, which is pretty ludicrous to call a right-wing position. Will you agree?

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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:29 pm

Arthenius wrote:
New haven america wrote:And you're incorrect, for the 2nd time.

The majority of democrats in the US are center-right centrists. :)


In what ways exactly?
The US Democrats has become interested in identity politics, which is pretty ludicrous to call a right-wing position. Will you agree?

I feel like treating "identity politics" as anything but the buzzword (buzzphrase?) that it is is pretty ludicrous.
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Postby Anteja » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:31 pm

Democrat controlled? PERMANENTLY?! Let's hope not. We'll have to leave the country

Nah, the Conservatives will eventually wage a civil war against them, or spilt apart and become a Confederacy or something.

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Postby US-SSR » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:41 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:Hopefully not, but if it is America is going to break up.
The Republicans aren't just going to sit back and let the Democrats drive the country down like California.
If we can learn anything from 2016 it's that if given the right candidate even the most non voteing Americans to go to the polls and us there right to pick our countrys future.


Let's run the numbers shall we?

In 2012, 129.1 million voters turned out, 54.9 percent of those eligible. In 2016, 55.7 percent of eligible voters turned out,
136.7 million.

Hillary Clinton nearly matched Barack Obama's vote total, 65.85 million compared to 65.91 million. Donald Trump outdid Mitt Romney, 62.98 million compared to 60.93 million. Oh yeah, he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

Third party candidates won 5.7 percent of the vote in 2016 compared to 1.7 percent of the vote in 2012.

In three states, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, accounting for 46 electoral votes, Trump won in 2016 by a combined total of 77,744 votes; .0006 percent of the nationwide total.

The consensus of all US intelligence agencies, as well as the conclusion of the Senate Select Committe on Intelligence, is that Russia interfered in the 2016 elections in order to benefit Trump and disadvantage Clinton.

If we can learn anything from 2016 it is that the combination of foreign interference and the undemocratic, reactionary Electoral College saddled the US with one of the worst Presidents in its history for the second time in five elections.
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Postby Imma be imma be » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:41 pm

Fuck the Demon-crats 8)
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Postby UniversalCommons » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:13 pm

1/3 will be Republican by 1/3 democrat. The other 1/3 will vote by whoever most reminds them of world wrestling entertainment or gives them the best perks.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:19 pm

Anteja wrote:Democrat controlled? PERMANENTLY?! Let's hope not. We'll have to leave the country

Nah, the Conservatives will eventually wage a civil war against them, or spilt apart and become a Confederacy or something.

It will probably happen unless you start reaching out to people other than your rural white base.

Regarding a civil war what are you going to do? March into Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver or Los Angeles and start doing horrible things? A separation won’t happen either
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Imma be imma be wrote:Fuck the Demon-crats 8)


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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Anteja wrote:Democrat controlled? PERMANENTLY?! Let's hope not. We'll have to leave the country

Nah, the Conservatives will eventually wage a civil war against them, or spilt apart and become a Confederacy or something.

It will probably happen unless you start reaching out to people other than your rural white base.

Regarding a civil war what are you going to do? March into Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver or Los Angeles and start doing horrible things? A separation won’t happen either


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Postby Torisakia » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:31 pm

Depends on if they want to use violent for to control the country or not. Can't put it past anyone given the current scenario.
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Postby Stellonia » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:56 pm

Will the US become permanently Democrat-controlled?

No, but they could assume control for at least eight years by nominating the right presidential candidate.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:12 am

Arthenius wrote:
New haven america wrote:And you're incorrect, for the 2nd time.

The majority of democrats in the US are center-right centrists. :)


In what ways exactly?
The US Democrats has become interested in identity politics, which is pretty ludicrous to call a right-wing position. Will you agree?

I find that statement you just posited ludicrous.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:15 am

Anteja wrote:Democrat controlled? PERMANENTLY?! Let's hope not. We'll have to leave the country

Nah, the Conservatives will eventually wage a civil war against them, or spilt apart and become a Confederacy or something.

Where, exactly?

There's literally nowhere in the developed world that'd be willing to accept the GOP's far-right extremist positions (Which is basically all of the GOP's beliefs), so you're going to have to go a developing country, but most of those generally tend to be pretty nationalistic, poverty stricken, or undemocratic (Which means you won't get any of the amenities or conveniences you get in a developed nation), so... Where are you going?
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Postby North German Realm » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:10 am

Arthenius wrote:
New haven america wrote:And you're incorrect, for the 2nd time.

The majority of democrats in the US are center-right centrists. :)


In what ways exactly?
The US Democrats has become interested in identity politics, which is pretty ludicrous to call a right-wing position. Will you agree?

This statement is so delusional -intentionally ignorant, mind you- that I don't think there's an actual word for it.
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Postby The Grims » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:22 am

Rainbowsix wrote:
New haven america wrote:Nope, in most countries the majority would be center right centrists. (Redundant much redundant?)

did you read what i said? I said U.S. democrats are far-left radicals

Not according to global standards. They are pretty right wing in the eyes of the world.

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Postby -Ocelot- » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:36 am

Arthenius wrote:With mass illegal migration into the United States through the southern border, especially if Republicans lose Texas which is very close in that same area do you think Donald Trump will be the last Republican president in the United States. I mean, what other way can the US Republican Party do to continue national electoral relevance without becoming just as the same as the Democrats? A quasi one-party Democrat-controlled WH or federal legislature makes me feel pretty nervous about my country's own future and integrity.

What are the opinions of other NSers particularly from America on this one?


Realistically, Republicans will adapt. Trump already did that by constantly showing his support towards the "latino" people, which is the fastest growing minority in the US. Both major parties in the US are trying to appeal to all races already.

The Republican party will have to drop its extremism and polarization at some point. Democrats are set to win because their positions on most issues are more rational, even if some candidates promise too much. Having an NHS, for example, is not ground-breaking. All other developed nations have it. Republicans should not be against it, even if its costly.

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