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Will the US become permanently Democrat-controlled?

Postby Arthenius » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:39 pm

With mass illegal migration into the United States through the southern border, especially if Republicans lose Texas which is very close in that same area do you think Donald Trump will be the last Republican president in the United States. I mean, what other way can the US Republican Party do to continue national electoral relevance without becoming just as the same as the Democrats? A quasi one-party Democrat-controlled WH or federal legislature makes me feel pretty nervous about my country's own future and integrity.

What are the opinions of other NSers particularly from America on this one?

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:41 pm

No. Politics is still going to be shifting like it always has.
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:41 pm

Yes

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Postby Rainbowsix » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:41 pm

if the U.S. becomes permanently democratic imma find another country to go to that wouldnt be a train wreck
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:47 pm

When it gets to the point that demographics prevent Republicans from winning national elections then I'd expect US politics to just begin breaking down entirely. At best, we go breakup somewhat peacefully like the USSR and everyone is moderately happy. Moderate scenario is we hang on like a Latin American country as a corrupt shithole but one that has its nice pockets and still managed to limp on.

Worst case scenario is Yugoslavia meets South Africa.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:48 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:When it gets to the point that demographics prevent Republicans from winning national elections then I'd expect US politics to just begin breaking down entirely. At best, we go breakup somewhat peacefully like the USSR and everyone is moderately happy. Moderate scenario is we hang on like a Latin American country as a corrupt shithole but one that has its nice pockets and still managed to limp on.

Worst case scenario is Yugoslavia meets South Africa.


Imagine the fate of the USSR being the ideal outcome. :unsure:
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Postby Arthenius » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:58 pm

And update, not saying that the Republicans as a party are necessarily that much better either.

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Postby Arthenius » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:01 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:When it gets to the point that demographics prevent Republicans from winning national elections then I'd expect US politics to just begin breaking down entirely. At best, we go breakup somewhat peacefully like the USSR and everyone is moderately happy. Moderate scenario is we hang on like a Latin American country as a corrupt shithole but one that has its nice pockets and still managed to limp on.

Worst case scenario is Yugoslavia meets South Africa.


Also the US has external potential security threats too, including an EMP type one. America is the largest superpower but it's current top standard isn't immortal.

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Postby Klorgia1 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:01 pm

No. Everyone might become more like modern Democrats then Republicans, but what defines each party will shift with the country.
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Postby Arthenius » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:02 pm

Klorgia1 wrote:No. Everyone might become more like modern Democrats then Republicans, but what defines each party will shift with the country.


I don't know how sure that is and even so, that shift might not always be for the better.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:04 pm

No. Democrats might control the government for a while, but if that keeps happening Republicans will shift their strategy, or a new party will emerge to challenge them.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:07 pm

Arthenius wrote:
Klorgia1 wrote:No. Everyone might become more like modern Democrats then Republicans, but what defines each party will shift with the country.


I don't know how sure that is and even so, that shift might not always be for the better.

America has shifted a million times before, it can do it again. The Federalists were absorbed, the Whigs gone, the Republicans and Democrats have nothing to do with their original or even historically recent variants. This happens all the time just about every where.
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Postby Yirophia » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:08 pm

ITT: People worrying about one party dominating US politics for an extended period. No, not the crypto-fascist one that is increasingly abandoning the "crypto-" part, the other one. Yes, the sane one that is liberal, pro-democracy, and objectively broadly good*. Yes that one. Pearl-clutching at its finest.

*The Bernie communist fringe aside. Thankfully they have absolutely, positively no power aside from getting armchair revolutionaries excited and posting on their socialist subreddit of choice.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:11 pm

Yirophia wrote:ITT: People worrying about one party dominating US politics for an extended period. No, not the crypto-fascist one that is increasingly abandoning the "crypto-" part, the other one. Yes, the sane one that is liberal, pro-democracy, and objectively broadly good*. Yes that one. Pearl-clutching at its finest.

*The Bernie communist fringe aside. Thankfully they have absolutely, positively no power aside from getting armchair revolutionaries excited and posting on their socialist subreddit of choice.


"Objectively broadly good"

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Will the U.S. become permanently Democrat-controlled?

Postby Deacarsia » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:11 pm

I hope not!
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Postby The united American-Isreali empire » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:13 pm

Arthenius wrote:With mass illegal migration into the United States through the southern border, especially if Republicans lose Texas which is very close in that same area do you think Donald Trump will be the last Republican president in the United States. I mean, what other way can the US Republican Party do to continue national electoral relevance without becoming just as the same as the Democrats? A quasi one-party Democrat-controlled WH or federal legislature makes me feel pretty nervous about my country's own future and integrity.

What are the opinions of other NSers particularly from America on this one?



Look i am pro Trump and live America. It saddens me to say unless the America people stand with pride it's a real possibility.

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Postby Yirophia » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
Yirophia wrote:ITT: People worrying about one party dominating US politics for an extended period. No, not the crypto-fascist one that is increasingly abandoning the "crypto-" part, the other one. Yes, the sane one that is liberal, pro-democracy, and objectively broadly good*. Yes that one. Pearl-clutching at its finest.

*The Bernie communist fringe aside. Thankfully they have absolutely, positively no power aside from getting armchair revolutionaries excited and posting on their socialist subreddit of choice.


"Objectively broadly good"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hating liberalism is biting the hand that feeds you freedom, prosperity and justice. Yes, the Democratic Party is the only game in town, and the Clintonite/Blue Reaganite mainline is pretty damn good.
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Postby Meikaii » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:15 pm

One can only hope it does. The party of sadism and masochism needs to go.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:17 pm

Yirophia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"Objectively broadly good"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hating liberalism is biting the hand that feeds you freedom, prosperity and justice. Yes, the Democratic Party is the only game in town, and the Clintonite/Blue Reaganite mainline is pretty damn good.


I don't hate liberalism, I hate the people who oppose freedom, prosperity, and justice. Like Democrats.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:18 pm

Yirophia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"Objectively broadly good"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hating liberalism is biting the hand that feeds you freedom, prosperity and justice. Yes, the Democratic Party is the only game in town, and the Clintonite/Blue Reaganite mainline is pretty damn good.


Isn't the same faction (along with neocons) that let China into the WTO, gave us a war in Iraq, stripped our freedoms with the PATRIOT Act, caused the subprime mortgage crisis, destroyed Libya, and has attempted to do the same in Syria? All while pretending to be "woke" on the home front while sucking up to Corporate America?

Yeah...fuck those people.
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Postby Yirophia » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:20 pm

Telconi wrote:
Yirophia wrote:Hating liberalism is biting the hand that feeds you freedom, prosperity and justice. Yes, the Democratic Party is the only game in town, and the Clintonite/Blue Reaganite mainline is pretty damn good.


I don't hate liberalism, I hate the people who oppose freedom, prosperity, and justice. Like Democrats.

Then you're delusional. (Most) Dems (again, with the exception of the powerless Bernie fringe that's going nowhere way too fast) are positively in love with freedom. The party of black and hispanic enfranchisement, homosexual marriage, gender equality, free trade and open borders, among many other things. What among these positions is in opposition to freedom, prosperity, or justice?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:21 pm

Yirophia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't hate liberalism, I hate the people who oppose freedom, prosperity, and justice. Like Democrats.

Then you're delusional. (Most) Dems (again, with the exception of the powerless Bernie fringe that's going nowhere way too fast) are positively in love with freedom. The party of black and hispanic enfranchisement, homosexual marriage, gender equality, free trade and open borders, among many other things. What among these positions is in opposition to freedom, prosperity, or justice?


"open borders"

I thought Republicans were "dogwhistling" when they accused Democrats of that. Now you openly support it.
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Postby Stellonia » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:22 pm

The electoral system of the United States (i.e. first-past-the-post) inevitably leads to a two-party system. Both parties will adapt to the cultural, ideological and demographic changes of the present and future. Either that or they will become irrelevant and a new party will assume their place.

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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:24 pm

Telconi wrote:
Yirophia wrote:Hating liberalism is biting the hand that feeds you freedom, prosperity and justice. Yes, the Democratic Party is the only game in town, and the Clintonite/Blue Reaganite mainline is pretty damn good.


I don't hate liberalism, I hate the people who oppose freedom, prosperity, and justice. Like Democrats.

Right, it's the Dems who want to go back to when the darkies and the queers knew their place and abortion was taboo. It's the Dems who stand firm behind a figurehead consistently lies and demonstrates childlike immaturity - and defend that person even after they all but confess outright on TV.

You've made it clear you're a single-issue voter, Tel, but you should at least recognize it's not the only issue.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:24 pm

Yirophia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't hate liberalism, I hate the people who oppose freedom, prosperity, and justice. Like Democrats.

Then you're delusional. (Most) Dems (again, with the exception of the powerless Bernie fringe that's going nowhere way too fast) are positively in love with freedom. The party of black and hispanic enfranchisement, homosexual marriage, gender equality, free trade and open borders, among many other things. What among these positions is in opposition to freedom, prosperity, or justice?


That's rude, is rudeness also a part of their beliefs?
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