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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:41 am

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:43 am

Rojava Free State wrote:No, and anyone Who says it is is either a useful idiot or is a bad faith actor who wants to hide the truth that Israel isn't the nicest little country on earth. This is also why these stupid unconstitutional and un-american anti BDS laws exist in the states. The sooner we call Israel out on its bullshit, the sooner everyone will be better off. I know I'm no racist. Some hypernationalistic zionist calling me one won't change that


Sadly, I’ve seen people use the antisemitic card to try and shot down any discussion of Israel’s wrongdoing in this conflict. I maintain this: Israel has a right to exist, but so does Palestine, and the Israeli government isn’t pure as the driven snow here.
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Postby ZSeparatists » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:44 am

Kind of, but I agree both Israel and Palestine deserve to exist.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:45 am

Fahran wrote:No. That said, there is a significant and worrying degree of overlap between criticism of the Israeli government, Anti-Zionism, Anti-Semitism. As far as I can tell, every substantial Palestinian activist organization has ties to known Anti-Semites or has made official statements to support an over-arching Anti-Semitic narrative. Anti-Semitism in the Palestinian Territories and much of the Muslim world is alarmingly high. It's so bad that even Western critics of Israel are often using it as a thin veil for Anti-Semitism - such as all those Labour activists in the UK and multiple elected officials in the US. You can be critical of Israel all you like but, when Jewish people start telling you that you're resorting to offensive stereotypes or that you're being a bigot, it's worthwhile to examine your prejudices and maybe adjust your rhetoric accordingly. "Israel is committing ethnic cleansing" isn't Antisemitism. "Israel and the Jews are hypnotizing the world" is.


I'm pretty sure most of the Palestinians just wanna not be killed or beat down by trucheon wielding soldiers and cops. They probably don't enjoy having their houses bulldozed to make way for settlements either

Antisemitism exists in almost every society worldwide. That doesn't mean most people in any particular society are anti semites, nor does it mean that their justifiable anger at the Israeli government for bringing terror to their town is related to a hatred for jews. I don't like the Ku Klux Klan, but I'm totally fine with white people. I hate ISIS, and could spend all day talking about the creative ways their members should be punished but I'm not anti muslim. The Japanese war crimes against China in world war II were unspeakable, but I don't blame Japanese people today for those incidents. My dad being a prick annoys me but I don't blame all Latin Americans of Lebanese heritage for it. I can't stand the government of israel, not because they're jews, but because they're assholes. I couldn't care less about how Jewish they claim to be
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:50 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:No, and anyone Who says it is is either a useful idiot or is a bad faith actor who wants to hide the truth that Israel isn't the nicest little country on earth. This is also why these stupid unconstitutional and un-american anti BDS laws exist in the states. The sooner we call Israel out on its bullshit, the sooner everyone will be better off. I know I'm no racist. Some hypernationalistic zionist calling me one won't change that


Sadly, I’ve seen people use the antisemitic card to try and shot down any discussion of Israel’s wrongdoing in this conflict. I maintain this: Israel has a right to exist, but so does Palestine, and the Israeli government isn’t pure as the driven snow here.


The Israeli government often claims it has a right to defend itself. It seems to forget that bombing civilians, ordering your soldiers to fire on children and kicking people out of their neighborhoods to move in Jewish settlers isn't self defense. It's oppression
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:53 am

No, obviously.
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Postby Aureumterra » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:58 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Fahran wrote:It's so bad that even Western critics of Israel are often using it as a thin veil for Anti-Semitism - such as all those Labour activists in the UK and multiple elected officials in the US.

could you please provide specific names

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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:58 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:could you please provide specific names

Ilhan Omar

Fahran wrote:multiple
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:58 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:could you please provide specific names

Ilhan Omar

How is anything she said anti-semitic.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:04 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:could you please provide specific names

Ilhan Omar

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Postby Aureumterra » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:05 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Ilhan Omar

Fahran wrote:multiple

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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:06 pm

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Ilhan Omar

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(one of the things that made me :eyebrow: at this. if Islam in Somalia influenced her so much what's with her personal life)
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Postby Iscoria » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:08 pm

No obviosly, but still, all anti-semitists are also anti-Israel, so there's a a bit of overlap of the groups

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Iscoria wrote:No obviosly, but still, all anti-semitists are also anti-Israel, so there's a a bit of overlap of the groups

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Postby Monsone » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:13 pm

No. Yes there are people who are Anti-Israel, and Anti-Semitic. But most of the criticism comes from Israel's actions in and against Palestine. And that is justified.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:15 pm

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Fahran wrote:It's so bad that even Western critics of Israel are often using it as a thin veil for Anti-Semitism - such as all those Labour activists in the UK and multiple elected officials in the US.

could you please provide specific names


Ken Livingstone.
Hezbollah.
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SD_Film Artists wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:could you please provide specific names


Ken Livingstone.
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famous Labour activist and American elected official Hezbollah
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:18 pm

I wish I belonged to an ethnic group where criticism of it had its own term and was actually illegal in some countries.

Alas, I am a white American and do not have such a privilege.
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Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Ken Livingstone.
Hezbollah.

famous Labour activist and American elected official Hezbollah


They shared a platform with Corbyn, a man who has hesitated to condemn them. So....
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SD_Film Artists wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:famous Labour activist and American elected official Hezbollah


They shared a platform with Corbyn, a man who has hesitated to condemn them. So....

Yes they're fucking awful, Hezbollah is not a person
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:24 pm

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
They shared a platform with Corbyn, a man who has hesitated to condemn them. So....

Yes they're fucking awful, Hezbollah is not a person


Also there are American politicians who openly support groups who are just as bad, if not worse than Hezbollah, so complaints about them fall on deaf ears.

Which reminds me, why isn't AIPAC registered as a foreign agent? :^)
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:29 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:Yes they're fucking awful, Hezbollah is not a person


Also there are American politicians who openly support groups who are just as bad, if not worse than Hezbollah, so complaints about them fall on deaf ears.

Which reminds me, why isn't AIPAC registered as a foreign agent? :^)

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:30 pm

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
They shared a platform with Corbyn, a man who has hesitated to condemn them. So....

Yes they're fucking awful, Hezbollah is not a person


It's made of people. Also Ken Livingstone is a person.
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