Is all criticism of Israel antisemitic?

[Rojava Free State]

Ridiculous. That's like suggesting that disagreeing with trump makes me a traitor ( he thinks it does).

I think trump thinks he is america. He no longer can tell the difference between himself and the country

[Trinadaed]

No, as not everyone in Israel is a Jew. Antisemitism is hostility or prejudice against Jews, not Israel itself.

[Vassenor]

Ridiculous. That's like suggesting that disagreeing with trump makes me a traitor ( he thinks it does).

I think trump thinks he is america. He no longer can tell the difference between himself and the country

"L'État, c'est moi" is a pretty common sentiment among authoritarian dictator types.

[Antityranicals]

Ridiculous. That's like suggesting that disagreeing with trump makes me a traitor ( he thinks it does).

I think trump thinks he is america. He no longer can tell the difference between himself and the country

There is a lot to the idea that Trump treats America like a business which he is in charge of. That comes with upsides and downsides. On the upside, he is a pretty great businessman, and the good he's doing with cutting regulations shows that. He's also not going to back down very easily, unlike our last president. That being said, treating a nation like a business comes with some issues, especially given his "Art of the Deal" approach to China, which might work okay in a company-to-company relationship, but is somewhat foolish on a national scale.

[Risottia]

Criticism of Israel or of the policies of the Israeli government is not automatically antisemitic. For example, anyone is free to reject or criticise the Israeli government's policy regarding the Palestinian territories.

This is NOT what the Israeli government (cabinet and presidency) have stated in numerous occasions.

[Antityranicals]

Israel is authoritarian. However, it is the least authoritarian of all nations in the region, and it's definitely less problematic than any Palestinian leadership. So sure, you can criticize it without being anti-semetic, but to diss Israel in favor of goddamn Hamas is somewhat foolish.

[Imperium Polskie]

Criticizing Israel is not criticizing Judaism. While Judaism and Israel are related, and both can face legitimate criticism, criticizing Israel on the basis of it being a Jew state is antisemitic.

Well that's a very fluid definition of what is and isn't antisemitic. I'm not against Israel for being mostly Jewish in demographics but I am against Israel having officially declared itself a Jewish ethnostate, since I think all ethnostates are bullshit that lead to violence and hatred

True. Here, Hugstopia lemme reword your statement.
“Criticizing Israel is not criticizing Judaism. While Judaism and Israel are related, and both can face legitimate criticism, Criticizing Jewish people by saying things like “They control everything, and want to destroy the white race!!!!” And saying that it is just being Anti-Israeli, when it isn’t, IS Anti-Semetism.”

[Rojava Free State]

Israel is authoritarian. However, it is the least authoritarian of all nations in the region, and it's definitely less problematic than any Palestinian leadership. So sure, you can criticize it without being anti-semetic, but to diss Israel in favor of goddamn Hamas is somewhat foolish.

I'm pretty sure tunisia and Lebanon are freer countries than Israel is

[Aureumterra]

No, Israel is Anti-Semitic

Uh… what?

[Rojava Free State]

No, Israel is Anti-Semitic

Uh… what?

Someone once said I'm racist to mexicans. I guess if that can be a thing then someone could say Israel is anti Semitic

[Aureumterra]

Uh… what?

Someone once said I'm racist to mexicans. I guess if that can be a thing then someone could say Israel is anti Semitic

It’s the dumbest statement I’ve ever seen on NSG, and that’s saying alot

[North German Realm]

No. "Criticism" of the State of Israel is no more antisemitic than criticism of Germany is teutonophobia, or criticism of France is Francophobia.

[Thermodolia]

No. /thread

[Audioslavia]

NO, Israel has increasingly become something of a far right ethnostate. Nazis are like “(((they))) are there sooooooooooo”, but rational people just think that the government has repeatedly abused the people of Palestine.

This is a reminder that using triple parentheses to denote jewish people is considered trolling on these forums. I understand you're using it ironically here, but still, it's something to avoid

[SD_Film Artists]

Criticizing specific policies of the Israeli government? No that's not anti-Semitic at all.

Criticizing Israel as a country and right to exist? Yes that's anti-Semitic. I mean you could do your best to approach the issue in the most objective, politically neutral way possible and you'd still be in bed with holocaust deniers. As I said earlier, if it's not directly anti-Semitic then it's at least harbouring those who are.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

If you’re criticizing the existence of Israel, it’s inherently anti-Semitic

Criticizing government actions is not, though

[Thama]

No, but there are plenty of people whose "criticisms of Israel" are just thinly veiled antisemitic remarks.

You wanna make sure what's fine and what's shit, ask an Israeli Antizionist.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Someone once said I'm racist to mexicans. I guess if that can be a thing then someone could say Israel is anti Semitic

It’s the dumbest statement I’ve ever seen on NSG, and that’s saying alot

you clearly haven't seen much then

If you’re criticizing the existence of Israel, it’s inherently anti-Semitic

Criticizing government actions is not, though

ok Mussolini fan

[Aureumterra]

It’s the dumbest statement I’ve ever seen on NSG, and that’s saying alot

you clearly haven't seen much then

It’s hard to beat “Israel is anti-Semtic”

[Israeli Free Nations]

I am a zionist, and I must say that no it is not antisemitic to call Israel out when they fuck up.
I call Israel out at times. It ain't antisemitic, it's just politics.
Now. That being said.
Saying Israel shouldn't be the Jewish homeland I could argue is antisemitic but that's a different story.

[Fahran]

No. That said, there is a significant and worrying degree of overlap between criticism of the Israeli government, Anti-Zionism, Anti-Semitism. As far as I can tell, every substantial Palestinian activist organization has ties to known Anti-Semites or has made official statements to support an over-arching Anti-Semitic narrative. Anti-Semitism in the Palestinian Territories and much of the Muslim world is alarmingly high. It's so bad that even Western critics of Israel are often using it as a thin veil for Anti-Semitism - such as all those Labour activists in the UK and multiple elected officials in the US. You can be critical of Israel all you like but, when Jewish people start telling you that you're resorting to offensive stereotypes or that you're being a bigot, it's worthwhile to examine your prejudices and maybe adjust your rhetoric accordingly. "Israel is committing ethnic cleansing" isn't Antisemitism. "Israel and the Jews are hypnotizing the world" is.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

It's so bad that even Western critics of Israel are often using it as a thin veil for Anti-Semitism - such as all those Labour activists in the UK and multiple elected officials in the US.

could you please provide specific names

[Northwest Slobovia]

I am a zionist, and I must say that no it is not antisemitic to call Israel out when they fuck up.
I call Israel out at times. It ain't antisemitic, it's just politics.

Yup, Israeli politicians are just like every other politicians: some have their heads up their asses, some are corrupt, some straight-up evil.

Now. That being said. Saying Israel shouldn't be the Jewish homeland I could argue is antisemitic but that's a different story.

Two for two. The only question in my mind is "how Jewish should Israel be?". Shutting everything down for shabbos? (Other places used to have "blue laws" shutting businesses on Sundays, so that's not entirely unreasonable.) Outlawing the production and sale of trayfe (non-kosher food)? Or something like today, where Judaism is the state religion, but there are gay pride marches in Jerusalem? Something in the middle? So many choices...

[Neo Kerala]

No. Just no. I support Israel's existence but I'm fine with criticism of the state.

[Rojava Free State]

I am a zionist, and I must say that no it is not antisemitic to call Israel out when they fuck up.
I call Israel out at times. It ain't antisemitic, it's just politics.
Now. That being said.
Saying Israel shouldn't be the Jewish homeland I could argue is antisemitic but that's a different story.

Israel should be a homeland for anyone who claims to be an israeli, Jewish or gentile. Jewish people have every right to live there and to be involved in the country's government and they have as much of a right to be the majority there as any country's majority has, but Israel should not be a "Jewish country." What this means is that being Jewish should not be a higher caste than being a non jew. Rights should not be given based on how Jewish one is. All people should be given equal rights. Our definitions of what constitutes a Jewish country may differ, but under my definition, Israel being a Jewish country isn't based on whether it's population is mostly jewish. It's based on whether the country has more regard for the lives of Jews than it does for the lives of gentiles. That's wrong and highly racist and should never be allowed to fester. Jewish lives matter. So do Palestinian lives. Everyone is a human being and only when that basic truth is finally accepted will the war end, because the current tension in Israel is neither good for Arabs or jews, with Arabs living in fear of bombings, police brutality, shootings and being ran out of their homes, and Jews living in fear of retaliatory violence and terrorism.

War isn't pretty folks. War is vicious