Is all criticism of Israel antisemitic?

[Ifreann]

No one thinks that all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, not even the people who call every criticism of Israel they encounter anti-Semitic.

[Bear Stearns]

Also there are American politicians who openly support groups who are just as bad, if not worse than Hezbollah, so complaints about them fall on deaf ears.

Which reminds me, why isn't AIPAC registered as a foreign agent? :^)

i'd talk about NORAID and Peter King but you're you so

NORAID was a criminal enterprise and subversive Catholic front. Fuck them too.

[Vassenor]

famous Labour activist and American elected official Hezbollah

They shared a platform with Corbyn, a man who has hesitated to condemn them. So....

Doesn't that logic make Trump a neo-Nazi?

[Rojava Free State]

No one thinks that all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, not even the people who call every criticism of Israel they encounter anti-Semitic.

Of course they dont. They just know the word can be used to silence people for criticizing israel. It's a common tactic in arguments. The opponent brings up uncomfortable facts and instead of countering with actual facts, you just insult them and say they're a terrible person. In the case of israel, that's because in the age of the internet it's becoming increasingly apparent that Israel is not "defending itself" and that their final goal is to basically run the Palestinians out of the West bank and replace them with Jewish people. When the facts aren't in your favor, insults and smears take their place

[Communal concils]

I dislike Israel. As a Hardcore Anti-Zionist, It would be best if Palestine reclaimed the "Holy" Land.

[SD_Film Artists]

They shared a platform with Corbyn, a man who has hesitated to condemn them. So....

Doesn't that logic make Trump a neo-Nazi?

I didn't say that Corbyn is a card-carrying Hezbollah member, just as Trump may not be a KKK member.

[Rojava Free State]

Yes they're fucking awful, Hezbollah is not a person

Also there are American politicians who openly support groups who are just as bad, if not worse than Hezbollah, so complaints about them fall on deaf ears.

Which reminds me, why isn't AIPAC registered as a foreign agent? :^)

Because registering AIPAC as a foreign agent would be "antisemitic" (it's really not) and [insert more buzzwords related to the holocaust, pogroms, the exodus and woody Allen movies, and other tragedies that have nothing to do with modern criticism of israel]. AIPAC is a foreign agent that is manipulating our government into letting Israel act like a pariah, and not only should they be booted, but I think lobbying in general ought to be restricted or ended.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Yes they're fucking awful, Hezbollah is not a person

It's made of people. Also Ken Livingstone is a person.

yes, Ken Livingstone is a person

In the case of israel, that's because in the age of the internet it's becoming increasingly apparent that Israel is not "defending itself" and that their final goal is to basically run the Palestinians out of the West bank and replace them with Jewish people.

well no

i'd talk about NORAID and Peter King but you're you so

NORAID was a criminal enterprise and subversive Catholic front. Fuck them too.

and that's why i said "but you're you so"

[Communal concils]

Also there are American politicians who openly support groups who are just as bad, if not worse than Hezbollah, so complaints about them fall on deaf ears.

Which reminds me, why isn't AIPAC registered as a foreign agent? :^)

Because registering AIPAC as a foreign agent would be "antisemitic" (it's really not) and [insert more buzzwords related to the holocaust, pogroms, the exodus and woody Allen movies, and other tragedies that have nothing to do with modern criticism of israel]. AIPAC is a foreign agent that is manipulating our government into letting Israel act like a pariah, and not only should they be booted, but I think lobbying in general ought to be restricted or ended.

That's a very based Comment.

[Rojava Free State]

It's made of people. Also Ken Livingstone is a person.

yes, Ken Livingstone is a person

In the case of israel, that's because in the age of the internet it's becoming increasingly apparent that Israel is not "defending itself" and that their final goal is to basically run the Palestinians out of the West bank and replace them with Jewish people.

well no

NORAID was a criminal enterprise and subversive Catholic front. Fuck them too.

and that's why i said "but you're you so"

Well yes, that is clearly what Israel is doing when it keeps setting up settlements in the West bank. That'll no longer be the case when Israel pulls the settlements out, and let's the Palestinians have a right to exist

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Because registering AIPAC as a foreign agent would be "antisemitic" (it's really not)

their members are American citizens.

[insert more buzzwords related to the holocaust, pogroms, the exodus and woody Allen movies, and other tragedies that have nothing to do with modern criticism of israel]

nice!

AIPAC is a foreign agent that is manipulating our government into letting Israel act like a pariah, and not only should they be booted, but I think lobbying in general ought to be restricted or ended.

the United States government is not being manipulated by AIPAC.

[Imbalistan]

No, Israel is Anti-Semitic

Hol' up.

[Ifreann]

Because registering AIPAC as a foreign agent would be "antisemitic" (it's really not)

their members are American citizens.

[insert more buzzwords related to the holocaust, pogroms, the exodus and woody Allen movies, and other tragedies that have nothing to do with modern criticism of israel]

nice!

AIPAC is a foreign agent that is manipulating our government into letting Israel act like a pariah, and not only should they be booted, but I think lobbying in general ought to be restricted or ended.

the United States government is not being manipulated by AIPAC.

That's pretty much the point of lobbying, though phrased in fairly negative terms.

[Vivolkha]

Israel is far from the worst human rights abuser in the world.

Not so sure about that one.

While Israel commits many serious human rights abuses (and most of them in foreign territory) it is nothing compared to, say, China and North Korea. The former alone carries ethnic engineering in both Xinjiang and Tibet with outright genocidal intentions and sends settlers to dilute the native population, not to mention its surveillance regime.

Furthermore, Israel is a democracy.

[Rojava Free State]

Because registering AIPAC as a foreign agent would be "antisemitic" (it's really not)

their members are American citizens.

[insert more buzzwords related to the holocaust, pogroms, the exodus and woody Allen movies, and other tragedies that have nothing to do with modern criticism of israel]

could you not

AIPAC is a foreign agent that is manipulating our government into letting Israel act like a pariah, and not only should they be booted, but I think lobbying in general ought to be restricted or ended.

the United States government is not being manipulated by AIPAC.

Why do they fund both parties then? Do you not understand that in effect, lobbying is a form of manipulation? Why is the ADL pushing for laws criminalizing BDS, a movement protected by the first amendment? Why is it that Israel is given this privilege of being immune to criticism that no one else is given, because believe me, Israel couldn't possibly be perfect or be the best country on earth so it must be something else.

In 1992, AIPAC president David Steiner was forced to resign after he was recorded boasting about his political influence in obtaining aid for Israel. Steiner also claimed that he had

met with (then Bush U.S. Secretary of State) Jim Baker and I cut a deal with him. I got, besides the $3 billion, you know they're looking for the Jewish votes, and I'll tell him whatever he wants to hear ... Besides the $10 billion in loan guarantees which was a fabulous thing, $3 billion in foreign, in military aid, and I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people don't even know about.

Steiner also claimed to be "negotiating" with the incoming Clinton administration over who Clinton would appoint as Secretary of State and Secretary of the National Security Agency. Steiner stated that AIPAC had "a dozen people in [the Clinton] campaign, in the headquarters... in Little Rock, and they're all going to get big jobs".

NY real estate developer Haim Katz told The Washington Times that he taped the conversation because "as someone Jewish, I am concerned when a small group has a disproportionate power. I think that hurts everyone, including Jews. If David Steiner wants to talk about the incredible, disproportionate clout AIPAC has, the public should know about it."

https://www.wrmea.org/1992-december/jan ... -tape.html

https://www.wrmea.org/1992-december/jan ... srael.html

Here are some sources. Clearly AIPAC is very manipulative like most organizations who refuse to call out Israel for its violence

[Arevastan]

No, being critical of some, or many, of Israel's policies is not anti-semitic. In fact, it would be absurd to be held to such a standard.

I dislike Israel. As a Hardcore Anti-Zionist, It would be best if Palestine reclaimed the "Holy" Land.

Now this is anti-semitic. Being against Israel as a Jewish nation-state, rather than for some, or many, of its policies, is anti-semitic.

[Vivolkha]

No, being critical of some, or many, of Israel's policies is not anti-semitic. In fact, it would be absurd to be held to such a standard.

I dislike Israel. As a Hardcore Anti-Zionist, It would be best if Palestine reclaimed the "Holy" Land.

Now this is anti-semitic. Being against Israel as a Jewish nation-state, rather than for some, or many, of its policies, is anti-semitic.

Considering its controversial origins, I don't think questioning Israel's right to exist is automatically anti-semitic. The overlap between this particular opinion and anti-semitism is strong though, in general it is a very delicate topic - if opposing Israel solely on the basis of being Jewish, that's anti-semitism.

[Bear Stearns]

No, being critical of some, or many, of Israel's policies is not anti-semitic. In fact, it would be absurd to be held to such a standard.

I dislike Israel. As a Hardcore Anti-Zionist, It would be best if Palestine reclaimed the "Holy" Land.

Now this is anti-semitic. Being against Israel as a Jewish nation-state, rather than for some, or many, of its policies, is anti-semitic.

If Israel gets to be a Jewish ethnostate then I want a white Protestant ethnostate. It's only fair.

[Rojava Free State]

No, being critical of some, or many, of Israel's policies is not anti-semitic. In fact, it would be absurd to be held to such a standard.



Now this is anti-semitic. Being against Israel as a Jewish nation-state, rather than for some, or many, of its policies, is anti-semitic.

If Israel gets to be a Jewish ethnostate then I want a white Protestant ethnostate. It's only fair.

Notice how Israel demands it's right to exist but when the Palestinians want their own country, Israel loads up the rubber bullets.

Hypocrisy 101, I guess only Israel has a right to exist and no one else

[Dangine]

No, being critical of some, or many, of Israel's policies is not anti-semitic. In fact, it would be absurd to be held to such a standard.



Now this is anti-semitic. Being against Israel as a Jewish nation-state, rather than for some, or many, of its policies, is anti-semitic.

If Israel gets to be a Jewish ethnostate then I want a white Protestant ethnostate. It's only fair.

You know what else is fair? Communism

[Bear Stearns]

If Israel gets to be a Jewish ethnostate then I want a white Protestant ethnostate. It's only fair.

Notice how Israel demands it's right to exist but when the Palestinians want their own country, Israel loads up the rubber bullets.

Hypocrisy 101, I guess only Israel has a right to exist and no one else

Those bullets are certainly not rubber ones, I can tell you that.

[Rojava Free State]

Notice how Israel demands it's right to exist but when the Palestinians want their own country, Israel loads up the rubber bullets.

Hypocrisy 101, I guess only Israel has a right to exist and no one else

Those bullets are certainly not rubber ones, I can tell you that.

Israel not only doesn't respect the right of Palestine to exist, they don't even respect the rights of people in Palestine to exist it seems like

[Outer Sparta]

No, being critical of some, or many, of Israel's policies is not anti-semitic. In fact, it would be absurd to be held to such a standard.



Now this is anti-semitic. Being against Israel as a Jewish nation-state, rather than for some, or many, of its policies, is anti-semitic.

Considering its controversial origins, I don't think questioning Israel's right to exist is automatically anti-semitic. The overlap between this particular opinion and anti-semitism is strong though, in general it is a very delicate topic - if opposing Israel solely on the basis of being Jewish, that's anti-semitism.

Arguments along the lines of "Israel doesn't have the right to exist" are anti-Semitic, but criticisms that call out Israel's human rights abuses and their efforts to create a Jewish ethnostate while suppressing the rights of Palestinians are not anti-Semitic.

[Bear Stearns]

Only when they say Israel should not exist in the Holy Land as a state primarily for Jews.

Germany should be primarily for Germans.

[Aureumterra]

No, being critical of some, or many, of Israel's policies is not anti-semitic. In fact, it would be absurd to be held to such a standard.



Now this is anti-semitic. Being against Israel as a Jewish nation-state, rather than for some, or many, of its policies, is anti-semitic.

If Israel gets to be a Jewish ethnostate then I want a white Protestant ethnostate. It's only fair.

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